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Hector
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Melody Anderson
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:12 pm Post Subject: |
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| The Buy Now price was originally $1500, it's come down to $1000 now... come on, put a bid in Ross :-) make someone's day. |
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steve clougher
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:26 pm Post Subject: |
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one day, chemtrails will be a thing of the past; that footage will be worth a mint
i'll go halves with someone...................... |
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smashdracs
Joined: 23 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:34 pm Post Subject: |
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If thats the going rate I am sitting on a goldmine.
No more slaving away over a stinking filthy hot stove day after day...
PM Me anyone who has the $$$ |
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Hector
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:09 pm Post Subject: |
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Apart from wanting to know that I was getting the original video minidisk and that there were no copies anywhere, I would want to be assured that this is a video of the actual dirty filthy Chemtrails and not just ordinary jet exhaust condensation trails (contrails). There are plenty of goofy videos of contrails of various types on YouTube. :roll:
Again, he's dreamin'. On the other hand, I do Appreciate that he's attempting some Cloud Identification. :wink:
You want "Chemtrail" artifacts? Check this out ...
http://www.comboutique.com/shop/homeboutique-25017.html
... linked from "Products" on http://chemtrailawareness.webeden.co.uk/
I'm thinking about "Supersaturation Over Ice" Awareness Day - 04.06.08
Not as catchy as Chemtrail, so I'm on the lookout for some really cool graphics. :lol: |
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smashdracs
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 8:03 am Post Subject: |
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| Good luck with the ice awareness day. |
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Melody Anderson
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 5:24 pm Post Subject: |
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| Hector wrote: | | I'm thinking about "Supersaturation Over Ice" Awareness Day - 04.06.08 |
What's it all about Hector? Is it a Met Service initiative, or your own? What's going to happen on the 4th of June? |
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Hector
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Melody Anderson
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 6:06 pm Post Subject: |
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Yes I did.
You have had a mention on your freewebs site about "Supersaturation With Respect to Ice" Awareness Day" for a while now - again what's it all about and what is going to happen on that day? |
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Hector
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 7:21 pm Post Subject: |
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| It's no big deal. Really. I came across "Chemtrail Awareness Day - 06.07.08" about the time I was setting up "Contrail Diagnosis" and I thought, That's a good idea - an awareness day theme. Just what's needed. So partly as a piss-take and partly as a useful device I invented "Supersaturation With Respect to Ice Awareness Day - 04.06.08". I have no plans at all for what might happen that day, and look how useful a device it's been already. You, for one, are becoming more aware of supersaturation with respect to (or over) ice! |
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Deano
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:33 pm Post Subject: |
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| Sounds like Hector has inside knowledge of a lethal spray day being planned. How many are the powers that be looking to cull Hector? :-) |
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Hector
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| Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 3:02 pm Post Subject: |
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I was just browsing around and I noticed this...
| Quote: | | Good luck with the ice awareness day. |
Thanks, Jeremy. Appreciated. Um. Begging your pardon, and not to seem pedantic or anything, but it's Supersaturation With Respect to Ice Awareness Day. Cheers.
And this has been worrying me all week...
This was meant to be a light and humorous topic, and I don't want to come on all heavy and serious, but (and I seldom use "but" in this self contradictory way) just what, in the 4 short posts I have made here (or any posts anywhere else for that matter) indicates, even in the vaguest way, that I have inside knowledge of a lethal spray day being planned?
What would lead someone to suggest that? |
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ruapaka
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| Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:14 pm Post Subject: |
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this Hector ....
lllllllllllllllooooooooooooooolllllllllllllll |
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smashdracs
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:45 pm Post Subject: |
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Hector said
| Quote: | And this has been worrying me all week...
This was meant to be a light and humorous topic, and I don't want to come on all heavy and serious, but (and I seldom use "but" in this self contradictory way) just what, in the 4 short posts I have made here (or any posts anywhere else for that matter) indicates, even in the vaguest way, that I have inside knowledge of a lethal spray day being planned?
What would lead someone to suggest that? |
It could be because you mostly present yourself as a gruff arrogant prick. |
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smashdracs
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:26 pm Post Subject: |
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And you have also sought to entrap members of the forum by posting photos of objects of which you knew the identity but pretended not to.
Not the MO of a genuine person.
My humble opinion of course( the MO bit). |
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smashdracs
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| Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:27 pm Post Subject: |
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OK.
More than one person has told me the above posts were "A bit harsh".
Ross was the first....
Melody, would you please delete both of the above posts aimed at Hectors head?
I am not retracting the posts, just asking for them to be deleted. |
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smashdracs
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| Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:29 pm Post Subject: |
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oohps, ^^bad england^^
I am retracting the posts if I may but not what I said. |
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Hector
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| Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:35 pm Post Subject: |
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| smashdracs wrote: | | It could be because you mostly present yourself as a gruff arrogant prick. | I don't want to join you in a war of abuse; I don't want to be kicked off - I think I have a valuable contribution to make here. Besides, what's the substance of your insult got to do with what Deano said?
| smashdracs wrote: | | And you have also sought to entrap members of the forum by posting photos of objects of which you knew the identity but pretended not to. | This is the second time you have referred to that topic in an attempt to cast it in a different light.
Anyone who reads the one you are referring to ( https://www.mysteriousnewzealand.co.nz/forums/viewtopic.php?t=795 ) will know what happened there, and that your summary of it here is not true. I gave a pretty clear indication in the initial post that it could be a windup. As the topic progressed I was completely up front with answers to all questions, often having to repeat the same answers again because people didn't read them when they were posted the first time! In the end, it was noted that the photos had some value. | John and Melody wrote: | | Hector's images of floating thistledown (not thistle seeds – although thistledown may contain a seed) have some value though, in our opinion, somewhat limited. |
You were also shown to be misrepresenting matters here https://www.mysteriousnewzealand.co.nz/forums/viewtopic.php?p=5859
And, smashdracs, it turned out were wrong here ( https://www.mysteriousnewzealand.co.nz/forums/viewtopic.php?p=5018 ) as well.
So, Deano, I ask you again, where exactly does it sound like I have inside knowledge of a lethal spray day being planned? The disingenuous use of a smiley icon does not excuse the atrocity suggested by the question following that statement in your post ( https://www.mysteriousnewzealand.co.nz/forums/viewtopic.php?p=6080 ).
I understand how a windup works, and I understand humour. This is neither. Please explain. |
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steve clougher
Joined: 15 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:57 pm Post Subject: |
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normal stuff , Hector, what we have come to expect, "scattergun" effect
too much at once for most people to be bothered to check out
you've been asked very politely to post smaller, must be there's a higher authority than the common people in your life , i.e. an authority with more MONEY ?
well, old buddy, who approached me of "his own accord", but has unaccountably left me alone for ages, not bothering to try and patch up his credibility with me, who was at pains to cut you every inch of slack, wait and watch, because i'll be going back over all those references you've chucked up, inch by inch, and dragging you over every little idiocy, of which i fully expect your backroom persons will have left plenty, because they also think you're bludging
they should know, it takes one to know one
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John and Melody
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:13 pm Post Subject: |
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You are gruff and arrogant Hector. Despite disingenuously stating that you don't want to seem to be pedantic, you correct smash on a technicality that you yourself casually ignore above when you refer to "Supersaturation Over Ice" Awareness Day - 04.06.08"
This is false. For a start, you originally named your Topic 'Orbs photographed in Wellington'. Which is why we later renamed it to 'Thistle Seeds photographed in Wellington'. That was the first evidence of the dishonesty. You refer again to orbs in the body of the post, despite the fact that you knew what the objects were. And, you were very upset about our renaming of it, at the same time moving it to the general forum instead of leaving it in the UFO discussion area (which was very much an attempt to deceive). You accused us (by Private Message) of 'troll-like debunking' (on our own site! :roll: ), asking us to withdraw comments that we had made in the thread regarding our opinions of your motives and complained because we had locked the thread.
The fact that you were 'up front with answers to all questions' is irrelevant - you were still trying to play games. You did not admit that you knew what the objects were, and in your third post the only admission was that you were the photographer and that the objects were visible at the time the photos were taken.
Whether you actually do have a valuable contribution to make here is debatable and, quite frankly, you constantly run the risk of being kicked off with every post you make. All the feedback we received from forum members on the content of Jeremy's post was 100% favourable and supportive. In our opinion, the manner in which he presented the comments did not contravene our forum guidelines. The use of the term 'prick' isn't even one of our 'banned' words. When putting together the list of words that would trigger an automatic forum generated substitution, we felt that we wanted to allow a reasonable measure of self expression on this site. Since the comments are not typical of Jeremy, he must have felt very strongly about the issue to couch them in those terms. We see that as a valid expression, made more powerful by its rarity from that member. In judging the appropriateness of such statements, we take context into account. On another ocassion we may instantly delete a similar remark if we feel it is inappropriate.
We were close to complying with Jeremy's request when the topic kicked off again with Hector's followups. After a lot of consideration we decided not to delete the posts, because he wasn't retracting the comments themselves and it would seem to us that he had been coerced into requesting their removal. We note that there was no response to Jeremy's comments from you Hector, on this forum until after he requested his posts be deleted, stating that you had thought them a bit harsh - highly suspicious - indicating that your thoughts on the matter were made to him privately. We hope that our private messaging facilities are not being used for the purposes of bullying other forum members into submission. Given that we have some experience of your attempts to bully us by Private Message, certain inevitable conclusions must be drawn.
We would be interested in hearing from anyone who feels they have been bullied or coerced inappropriately by any member of this forum...
P.S. Jeremy, if you would still like us to delete the posts, let us know and we will remove them, although somewhat reluctantly... |
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smashdracs
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:44 pm Post Subject: |
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There is no point in deleting the posts now.
Hector did not "bully" me in any way, nor did anyone else. I felt after consideration that the above posts were poorly written and I felt that I could re-word my thoughts and feelings about why people here are distrusting and suspicious of Hector and his motives. I am still going to do just that in a new thread perhaps.
The part of what I posted that I wished to change was the "prick" word. I recently met Hector in person and he was not a prick, quite the opposite actually and I enjoyed the hour or so we spent together. I could however replace "prick" with some other words......
All the same there is a great level of distrust towards Hector and his motives on this board and It seems to me that he would like to know from some of us why that is. I could not resist the opportunity to fire a shot when Hector asked why anyone would think that he was privy to or involved in some sort of foul play.
I will post further on this subject in a short while.
If we were to take a vote as to whether Hector stayed or was booted from the forum at this point in time I would vote that he stayed. Whatever his motives, I see merit in a lot of his contributions and it would be a very one sided debate without him. In saying that there are other sides to Hector that I find quite distasteful and I will elaborate later.
I do appreciate the resources He has put together for those of us who are trying to take this research seriously and I look forward to seeing the other projects that Ross is working on in relation to the research.
Hopefully all that makes some sense, I have just worked 30 hours in 3 days with not much sleep in between so........ |
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Hector
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:22 pm Post Subject: |
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Thank you, Jeremy, for clearing a few things up. Cheers.
Gruff and arrogant I may be; it's the "prick" part I thought was harsh, though I didn't specify when I e-mailed Jeremy.
I accepted Jeremy's "good luck" with appreciation, and genuinely begged his pardon to correct him. There is a big difference between "ice" and "supersaturation with respect to ice", and I don't think it's pedantic to clear up the mistake that they are the same thing. That's why I genuinely said that I didn't want to seem pedantic. The correction was not about a "technicality". Ice is the solid phase of water, and supersaturation with respect to ice is an atmospheric condition.
Could someone please quote where I myself "casually ignore [the technicality] above when you (I) refer to "Supersaturation Over Ice" Awareness Day - 04.06.08" ". I don't see where I did that.
About the "Orbs" thing... Windups, by their nature, are game-playing, nonmaliciously dishonest and lightly manipulative. All the objections are about exactly those qualities. Without them, it wouldn't be a windup, would it? Be assured, I will not be employing that tactic again here. The climate in this forum is just not compatible. I apologise if anyone was offended or unduly misled by anything I posted in that topic.
"constantly run the risk of being kicked off with every post" - Wow! I knew I wasn't the most welcome member here... Hmmmm.
Really? Constantly? Every post?
I suppose all members are in that position, or am I singled out for special consideration?
I had been drafting a reply since Jeremy put up his comments, and after contacting him by e-mail. I was about to post it when he posted his retraction. On seeing the retractions, I waited a bit over 24 hours before posting my reply. I could not have been able to post it if his posts had been removed.
I think it should be pretty obvious now that I am an ordinary person who happens to have had a career where I have gained specialised skills and knowledge in the discipline and practice of meteorology. Since a controversy about a certain meteorological/atmospheric process is discussed here, it is possible that I may be of some use; this is why I joined and post on my own initiative. That is my motive. I am not part of the problem.
So, we are still waiting for Deano to explain his comments. Well, at least, I am. I strongly object to them, and what they imply. Again, what would lead someone to suggest that? |
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Deano
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:38 pm Post Subject: |
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| Quote: | | I am an ordinary person who happens to have had a career where I have gained specialised skills and knowledge in the discipline and practice of meteorology |
Pfffff!! You people cant predict the weather. Thats why you put a cloud and a sun in the same graphic to cover your ar$e.
| Quote: | | So, we are still waiting for Deano to explain his comments. Well, at least, I am. I strongly object to them, and what they imply. Again, what would lead someone to suggest that? |
Shut up you fool, I strongly object to you!! You are like a house full of flies only the can of raid is empty!! :twisted: |
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ruapaka
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:12 pm Post Subject: |
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I thought Deano was being humorous - winding you up Hector .... if so, it seems to have worked.
Thanks for the laugh Deano. :lol: |
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Hector
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| Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:00 pm Post Subject: |
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Thanks, Deano, for your explanation.
I know what you mean about the weather graphics! The one that annoys me personally is the rain ones that have the rain drops looking like tear drops. Actually, they are oblate spheroids until they become too big. See Bad Meteorology: Raindrops are shaped like teardrops for a discussion. And I don't think you need to spell 'arse' like that. I doubt that 'arse' is on the list of banned words. We know 'prick' isn't on the list, so 'arse' probably isn't either.
What the ...? You spray Raid around inside your own house! Have you actually read the serious warnings on the can? And at the same time, you are worried about commercial jet aircraft "spraying" over your region from a height of 11 kilometres! What are you thinking? Can you see the inconsistency, the irony, the internal conflict there? Please tell me you don't actually use Raid for fly control, or poisonous chemicals for any purpose, around your home.
If the official explanation of persistent contrails eventually proves to be incorrect, I feel that my time and effort here will not have been wasted; not at all. Conversely, if the official explanation is eventually accepted by everyone as being correct, I sincerely hope that you, those to whom this applies, can honestly say the same. That would have to be the question to ask of yourselves. |
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steve clougher
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| Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:15 pm Post Subject: |
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i've already said that i would love to be wrong on this score, Ross
also, thanks for all the links on met education, i've certainly learned some valuable stuff thanks to you
hopefully you will be able to say the same, one day |
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