Mysteries, Chemtrails, Aerosols :: Mysterious NZ

[John and Melody]

This thread is specifically for the serious reporting of the phenomena, variously labelled, but for the sake of consistency we will refer to here as Black Beams.

It is difficult to put a label on something that does not exist in a authoritative literature (at least that is available to us), however for our purposes we will attempt to determine a protocol that hopefully all will adhere to.

Black Beams

Black (or grey) lines across a generally clear sky that are not shadows, and appear to the observer to be very beam-like and that are generally associated with Persistent Contrails that form along them exactly.


Black beam, unenhanced photograph

Black Lines

Perhaps a term used when the identity of the phenomenon observed is not certain. The lines may be one of the two forms of sky shadows cast by Persistent Contrails. Either as a shadow that is seen to be projected by a contrail situated between the Sun and cloud or thick haze, or top projected onto a thin cloud layer in the case where an unseen contrail is above the cloud or haze.
Black line could also refer to a Distrail, i.e. a dark line formed by the parting of a layer of cloud due to the passage of an aircraft through it.

Thus, simplistically, "I saw a black line, it could have been a black beam..." or such-like, is a valid form of expression for our purposes.


Contrail and shadow - Nelson Lakes


Top projected shadow, note position of sun


Distrails

Now the reason we are acting rather non-typically dictatorial about this particular thread is because it has become apparent that a number of sightings are not being reported to this forum. We are hearing more from individuals directly, in person, by email, private message or phone, than through the forums which we would naturally prefer.

The report, which follows this post, is a case in point. We actually had to chase up the individual concerned after hearing through a third party that he'd had a black beam sighting. And this is an individual we actually know and who is registered on this forum... It seems that individuals may feel rather intimidated presenting their observations here, perhaps by those who would deliberately seek to intimidate, ridicule or try to blind with 'science'. So, we'll have none of that on this particular thread. We wish to have more reports presented here and will do everything we tend to facilitate that. This will be a safe and comfortable thread upon which to post. We wish reports to be presented very close, time-wise, to the actual sighting. Sometimes when we hear about a Black Beam encounter, many months have gone by and thus much of the detail peripheral to the sighting tends to be forgotten.

An article on Black Beams, black lines etc is in preparation at this time and knowledge of more direct experiences would be of great use to us.

Reasonable comments, views or questions are welcome on this thread. In other words, anything that adds to our understanding of the strange phenomena.

Any post that does not reflect the spirit of this thread as stated above, or we regard as being out of line, will be deleted without warning. Especially anything that we deem to be intended to deflect or obfuscate the issue. Within reason we have nothing against members starting other threads to present extreme views about postings on this thread...

We may take a similar stance to certain other topics in the future, we’ll see how this one goes first...

[John Anderson]

Location of sighting: Between Whangamomona and the Tahora Saddle on State Highway 43 (the 'forgotten highway'), heading northwards.

Date: 31st December 2007

Time: About 1:45 pm.

Direction of beam: Approximately South to North.


Yellow spot denotes the exact position of the Tahora Saddle, where the photo below was taken

Report:

Note: The individuals involved are known to us, one in particular, the reporter, has been aware of the Chemtrail and Black Beam issue almost as long as we have. His companion knew almost nothing of either of these phenomena. He, the reporter, knows what a contrail shadow looks like, although this is his first sighting of a Black Beam he has seen photos of them. He almost instantly realised that he was seeing a Black Beam, his companion just recognised it as something very very strange. He reports that they both had a "chills up the spine" type of reaction.

The Black Beam was to the left of the road, lines of persistent contrails were also present in the skies above them and the Black Beam was perceived to be at a similar altitude. It stretched from horizon to horizon and a persistent contrail was seen to be forming from the South exactly along the beam. To the North the beam could be seen to 'disappear' into cloud on the horizon. The Sun was not behind the horizon clouds and was generally at this time in open sky, producing sharp shadows from trees etc, on the ground.

I reiterate, this individual knows that what he and his companion saw was not a shadow, observation and common sense eliminated that possibility. In any case, for the Sun to produce such a shadow from a South/North beam, it would have to be very low to the horizon, and at 1:45 pm., it most definitely was not. The sun was high in the sky and generally clear of clouds. None of the persistent contrails present above produced any form of shadow in the sky at any time during the period of observation. When facing north after he stopped the car sometime later, the Sun was slightly to the left of his right shoulder.

The Black Beam was very distinct against a clear part of the sky, he reports that it fanned out slightly from narrower near the horizon to wider above him (natural linear perspective).

Highway 43 is very twisty and steep in this area but they were able to follow the progress of the persistent contrail along the Black Beam and could easily see that it did not deviate at all from the beam and that there was no sign of beam anywhere behind the moving front of the contrail. No aircraft or Sun glint was seen at any time.

By the time they found a place to pull off to the side of the Road (at the Tahora Saddle) the persistent contrail had completely filled in the beam and our reporter had unfortunately lost track of which particular beam that he photographed was the one associated with the Black Beam, but is pretty certain it is one of the, at least six, pictured in the photo he took here. He also states that he checked the direction and was facing north when the picture was taken.


Photo taken from Tahora Saddle facing North - 2:14pm

We've done our best to create a coherent report from what we've been told, examined his photos carefully and examined his actual camera to verify the accuracy of the time data contained in the exif info from the photos (we discovered that his camera had not been adjusted for daylight saving and was, in addition, an hour out). Obviously the report is far from ideal as it would have been nice to have actual photos of the Black Beam and a series of pics of the progress of the contrail along it plus some wider views of the sky, shadow on the ground etc – however any report is vastly better than none, and this report is nonetheless much appreciated...

Any additions or corrections to the report will be made where appropriate.

[magical1]

Thank goodness!

I tried to pen a post today. Searching for correct spelling etc in the fear of being ridiculed I lost my post and gave up. I have lots to offer in the way of reporting. I never stop looking up! hahahaha I have seen black beams in Wellington especially in the couple of weeks before Christmas when the chemtrails were busy.

All I have seen on this forum for the last few weeks has been an intentional dummying down of info sharing. Why have people like me been so quiet? Because yes! we have been "blinded by science". Intentionally or not? who knows?

All I know to be the FACTS are my observations.... My health, my childrens and dogs is sub optimal when the trails are heavy. We cough, have eye infections and are generally are unwell. The trails go and our health returns to normal.

I know what I see with my eyes. Science may prove it to be wrong or right. Quite frankly I don't care..... What I see with my eyes is not right. Black beams in the sky are un nerving especially when they are coming during a heavy day of spraying. Chemtrails in themselves are downright wrong in our skies! I point them out to others and they agree. I have no scientific proof that something wrong is happening, just something odd. This is enough, Melody, for me to follow my gut.

So thank you for giving me back my guts to keep reporting. I encourage others on this forum to keep talking.

BTW HAPPY NEW YEAR!

[Deano]

Hi John/Mel,

I was going over some of my older pics and came across one taken over Wellington (just north). It appears to contain a dark shadow or dark beam if you will. If you find it a worthy example pin it here, if not no problemo!. I will upload it shortly. It was taken on the 19th of Feb 06 at 12.32pm. The trails had just been created.

[John Anderson]

Thanks for your post magical1 and happy New Year to you too, we had hoped to coax the shy ones out into the open :-)

Please follow your gut, be staunch and post your observations here - they would be very very welcome. Also don't hesitate to report any health effects associated with heavy trail activity. Do not be concerned by the naysayers who would have it that it is impossible to be affected by high altitude contrails. Your ill-health affects are echoed in many places that have high persistent contrail activity, especially in Marlborough where one local told us "Everyone I know is sick..." Have you read the Betty Rowe interview? The 'hundred-day cough' etc...

Suggested Reporting Protocol

I'd like to take this opportunity to discuss some of the important points to remember while observing a phenomenon such as a Black Beam.

Photographs: photos are a great accompaniment to a report, especially a series of them. If possible zoom in on the contrail front, in the case of a Black Beam sighting, also photograph your general surroundings at the time, shadows on the ground with the beam in the background if possible. If anyone needs help in uploading pics to the Photo Gallery or including them in a post, just PM Melody and she'll help.

Time: be particular about noting the time and duration of an event. Time is recorded on the embedded exif info in digital photos, of course, but please do take the time to set your camera's clock as accurately as possible so that the exif data will be correct.

Direction: a compass can be a great help, refer to our New Zealand flight vector map page (http://www.mysteriousnewzealand.com/resources/nzflightvectors/) for some guidance. Photographing the general surroundings is also useful, especially if there are prominent features of the landscape that can be lined up or identified in, say, Google Earth.

Position of the Sun: there are calculators on the Internet that will accurately determined the azimuth of the Sun at any location and time, however it is probably sufficient to line yourself at right angles to the beam/trail, regard the intersection of your line of view and the beam/trail as 12 o'clock then express the azimuth of the Sun as, say, 1.30, three o'clock etc.

We don't wish to make the reporting of a phenomenon too complex for the reporter, or we'll end up getting too few reports. :-) However the less calculation a reader has to go away and do in order to consider and understand a report, the more impactful it can be...

Any suggestions on how to improve the above advice from anyone would be very welcome.

Please also record or note your immediate response to the event if possible, often our first responses to the witnessing of a phenomenon can be more revealing and honest than those later when the viewer has had time to think it over and to apply 'intellectual corruption' to the event... Comments and responses from other observers of your event can also give impact and interest to your report.

Try to maintain an open investigatory approach to the sighting rather than take a position or conclusion and defend it at all costs. Your report will not be examined with a scientific approach, which obviously is inappropriate to such random events, but with rather something like the sort of approach taken in a courtroom where credible anecdotal reports with supporting evidence from credible individuals is given due credence.

You mentioned spelling, magical1, there will be no ridiculing of anyone on this particular thread, not that we condone it anywhere on the forums of course, it is often the refuge of those of adversarial tendency. My personal opinion is that the structure and accuracy of an individual's post does add to its credibility. Thanks be to spell checkers, but if you find you've misspelled something on a post PM us and we'll correct it for you. We can, but don't normally do such correcting unless asked.

We know how difficult it is to be publicly involved in some of these topics, even under the relative safety of a 'nom de plume'. Courage is required, remember though, there is no courage without fear. It is our observation that people in general seem to have developed an unfortunate and unhealthy fear of stuff in the sky. We've even seen individuals refuse to look up when we tried to initiate conversations about stuff happening above their heads. Or at the very least quickly dismiss it, or go silent, or change the subject. Fear of the unknown, fear of ridicule, wanting to safeguard perceptions of how the world is, etc., may all have something to do with it - maybe just strong urges to not know. Personally I believe that the UFO circus has had a lot to do with the public's responses to strangeness in the sky - and in other places.

[John Anderson]

Hi Deano,

[Deano]

[steve clougher]

we just saw a shadow, that was not a black beam, but it did have something interesting about it

we could see that the sun,and the jet laying a dense, thin chemtrail, and the shadow, all lined up, so no mystery there

BUT, what did surprise, was the way the shadow showed the depth of the haze resulting from chem spraying

there have been sustained spraying ops today, all night, and this morning.........at one point i saw six spray-jets within a couple of minutes,

there were widespread thunderstorms predicted for today, with a bit of rain for everyone..........no sign of that eventuating now

the sun was about 45 degrees above the horizon, and the shadow showed that the haze extended fairly evenly from jet altitude to near the ground

the sky appeared to be only a little bit milkier than normal, but this obviously was an illusion, as the shadow was darkish and well-defined

it seems that it may be possible that some or even most black beams may be shadows..........reference to the position of the sun should sort them out

this is the first time i have seen anything like this , but i am watching for them much more closely now

[magical1]

Thank you both Melody and John for taking the time to acknowledge my post. It is very encouraging. You won't be able to get rid of me now. hahahaha!

Yes I have been corresponding with Betty for about six months now after having read her story.... I try on the days where trails are heavy in Wellington to contact her and get an idea of how the skies are looking where she lives. Funny how something like chemtrails can bring people together to info share. I have told her to start posting again a couple of times but she hasn't yet. I'm sure she will if I keep at her... or maybe you could PM her and encourage her back on again?

Funnily enough the Black beam that I saw was also running down the side of the beam.. Which may mean it was a shadow. I could see it with my sunglasses on. When I took them off I couldn't see it at all. The person who I pointed it out to was the same. However the trail wasn't completly straight as this one in the photo but the beam was.

Sunglasss on or not, black beam or shadow? It is still completly mysterious that we suddenly have this going on in our skies. This has not been going on in my lifetime in any shape or form that I could ever recall. Until I saw my first trail above Wellington about four years ago and thought a plane had fallen from the sky. It was huge and lingered for hours and hours. At the time I didn't even think about it being odd.

I guess that is how most people feel when they see the trails. They think that their best interests are being looked after by the powers that be. That nothing untoward can possibly be happening. Well public spraying does take place and openly,whether you want it or not. I'm sure that you Aucklanders were opposed to being sprayed by pesticides when the Gypsy Moth spraying took place. Like it or not, protest it or not you got your dose if you LIKED IT OR NOT.

"A violent coughing condition known as the "moth cough" was described as common among residents.

Skin conditions which were so severe that the skin swelled and split, and severe eye irritation which only occurred during spray episodes were often attributed by MAF and some doctors as generic or work related allergies....

At the start of the hearings the Inquiry paused to remember those people that were involved in the community efforts to get recognition of the health effects of the spray who have since died. Two of the named people had pre-existing but stable liver conditions which the inquiry organizers say accelerated into a chronic condition with exposure to the spray. Three of the involved community people died of motor neuron disease."

I understand fully that this is a different thing altogether but has some very strong similarities, don't you think?

So for myself, my family and my fellow humans who I share this planet with. If there is ANYTHING else in those trails other than water vapour I want to know. I want to know why I get eye, ear and chest infections when the trails are heavy. I want to also know why my dogs have chronic eye infections. I suspect they are even more vulnerable because they are simply closer to the ground.

I will get to the bottom of this and if it is all good and explainable well everyone will be happy including me. If it isn't them I've done my bit eh! Only apathy would be wrong in this case.

So lets get together and gain strength in numbers and voice and get to the truth.





This is where people like me come into play. The trails may turn out to be completly innocent and one day someone will be able to proove this to be so....

[magical1]

Ohhps didn't finish what I was saying in the last post. Told you, you'd wouldn't be able to get rid of me.

The trails may turn out to be completly innocent and one day someone will be able to proove this to be so....

I wanted to say after that.....

Until then (which I don't personally believe will happen) I will continue to research and post on this site.
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[John Anderson]

Here are a couple of historical Mysterious New Zealand Black Beam reports. They are not full reports, as we would like them to be ideally, however, the reports are credible because the individuals who made the reports are credible.

Azimuth, is an individual with whom we have spent some time, he is as he has described himself, a cautious, methodical, and intelligent man. Azimuth has had in the course of his past work an extremely high security clearance and there is much in his past that he is not able to speak about. He is a very principled individual. His black beam sighting, we believe, was a very impactful event in his life.

Pamela also is a person with whom we have had some contact with and we regard her as a very credible individual. Her report indicates a classical black beam sighting.

The reports below have been extracted from the following thread:
https://www.mysteriousnewzealand.co.nz/forums/viewtopic.php?t=150&highlight=azimuth+beam

Azimuth:

[Hector]

I would like to add my 'black beam' report to the others that have been posted in this thread.

It was first reported here: Contrail and 'beam' - Wellington 12:20pm Friday 18 May 2007