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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:37 pm Post Subject: Freemasons/masonic lodge/Illumanti in NZ
This is something I'm interested in, most of uses know about freemasons in other countries etc but do we know about who’s really running our country.
I've started to do a little digging around and have found that our first prime minister was a freemason and two other prime minister appear to have been as well.
Also John Banks is a freemason and was a market research to a couple of international pharmaceutical companies…hmm very interesting.
Does anyone else have any information that ties current or past leaders of business or politicians, bankers, to freemasonry, Masonic type groups or have know of interesting connections.
I would love to know if any of our PM’s past or present are going to bilderberg meetings!!
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:57 pm Post Subject:
My father was a freemason, but he wasn't famous :P (and as far as I know he didn't attend any Bilderberger meetings)
I have been told that Air New Zealand has a pretty solid core of freemasonry at the top levels. In fact, someone I know who worked there was told by a workmate that if he ever wanted to advance up the corporate ladder there he would need to become a mason...
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Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 9:38 pm Post Subject:
Hi satanzhand,
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do we know about who’s really running our country.
The people run this country, ordinary New Zealanders. They/we do it by what we are prepared to tolerate, by questioning or not questioning, by not wanting to know, by holding to certain values, through the indifference to mediocrity in our political leaders. By all this and more do we run this country. Rejoice in your power...
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Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 3:55 pm Post Subject: Freemasons and Lord Rutherford any info anyone
Does anyone out there in internet land have any links info on a possible connection between the freemason and Lord Rutherford( the guy on the $100 Note)
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Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:06 am Post Subject:
Hi satanzhand,
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Does anyone out there in internet land have any links info on a possible connection between the freemason and Lord Rutherford( the guy on the $100 Note)
Nothing at all, however Baron Rutherford of Nelson was reported as saying:
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You never know how many friends you have until you rent a house on the beach.
Does anyone else have any information that ties current or past leaders of business or politicians, bankers, to freemasonry, Masonic type groups or have know of interesting connections.
Hi satanzhand,
There was a program on Sky the other night about American Freemasons that was very interesting. Of course you never know how much of it is true and how much they are just trying to portray themselves as "normal bunch of guys" and are not sinister. They even had a 33rd level mason being interviewed.
One thing I do know is that where I used to work, freemasonry is alive and well, even rumoured that in order to promote yourself up the tree (into lower middle management at least) would require one to become a mason.
I remember one individual some time ago having applied for a role being invited to join the local group. He declined and later was advised he had missed out on the role. At the time he insisted that he was under no illusions that he would never progress any further from his current station
He decided to leave the company and moved overseas and by all accounts is doing very well (He moved to an Asian country and from where I'm sitting would it be fair to say that freemasonry is a white middle class thing?)
Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:46 am Post Subject: bnz
ive heard that to progress in many businesses in nz u need to be a mason, i heard that the upper levels of BNZ for example you have to join in order to get to the top...
Rickarts that dodgy police man is a mason, and so was the judge that let him off !! (so the rumour goes)
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Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:39 pm Post Subject:
Members of secretive society such as the Masons love to display their membership openly with signs and signals only those in the know would recognise, preferably accompanied by the smirk of superiority. Here's a Time mag cover of the 17th of February 1986 issue, featuring Pat Robinson, the TV evangelist proudly displaying the Masonic Lions Paw grip:
And here's more info than you really need about its significance:
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An important form found among Freemasons is the "Lion's Paw," or grip formed by placing the fingers in the form of a cat's paw. This grip, and its attendant reference to the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, has significance in several respects, both legendary and allegorical. Its message of transition and everlasting life are a critical part of the Third Degree.
As a symbol, the lion has been a favorite subject prior to the Christian era as well as during the Middle Ages. As a result, there is some confusion regarding its symbolism in Freemasonry. The lion has in all ages been noted as symbol of strength and sovereignty. The "King of the Beasts," whose mighty roar brought fear to the hearts of all, was known and respect by many ancient cultures. The lion's head and mane were placed on many Egyptian hieroglyphs, idols, and the famous Sphinx, recognizing this animal as the ruler of the animal kingdom. Having the "heart of a lion" was, and is today, deemed an acknowledgment of strength and character. Medieval knights adorned their shields and coats of arms with representations of lions, lion's heads, manes, and paws. Richard, the Lion Hearted, and his famous shield of three lions are well documented, both in history and legend, signifying his sovereignty over England.
As a symbol, the Jews sometimes used the lion as an emblem of the Tribe of Judah as they expected the Messiah to descend from this tribe. This reference carried over to Christianity where the Lion of the Tribe of Judah refers to Jesus Christ, the Messiah. To the ancient craft, this symbolism was seen further in the death and the resurrection to life of man. Legend had that a lion's cub, or whelp, was born dead and brought to life by the roar of its sire. As such, the reference to the lion may be applied to the Messiah, who brought life and the light of immortality to the tribes of Israel, through the roar of God's word.
It sounds good, I must start using it myself and confuse the hell out of any Masons I come across. Could be handy too if you come up before a judge... :D
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Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:13 pm Post Subject:
thanks for that,
I've kinda decided that these types of groups are mainly silly little men with small mans syndrome who only hold power in there own minds and small worlds.
Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 8:47 am Post Subject: they also love the pyramid with the capstone symbology
A lot of that can be found in Wellingtons architecture/buildings and historical monuments. Check these pics out, churches with clear pyramids with white capstone on top, the pyramid with the green capstone in civic square wellington and Admiral Byrd's (mason) monument on mt victoria..
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 1:28 pm Post Subject: its not triangles im pointing out
its not triangles im pointing out, theres plenty of them all over wellington or any house that has a pointed roof...
Im talking about pyramids WITH capstones, as in the church photo and the pyramid with greenstone capstone in civic square... these didnt happen by accident, they were designed by masonic architects, theres also the pyramid monument to Admiral Byrd (mason) on mt vic...
Its well known that the masonic society holds most prominent positions in society and in welington... judges, police heads and general police, and not so strangely magicians, theres a mason in wellington who is also a magician as his job... he entertains kids and groups as his job but behind the scenes hes a real magician, a black witch, was trained in london by paul daniels, remeber him, the tv magician enetrtainer, if u do some research on the net youll find pics of these tow guys together and websites where they talk about their covent and their law and its all very serious and not just for fun, these guys really believe in ritualistic magic, its no joke to them and this guy whos buddies with Paul Daniels is a prominent mason in wellington... im not gona name names.
Also look at the church photo again, if its just a triangular roof and nothing else then why the obvious white frame that outlines the pyramid and the obvious white capstone top? come on look at it again... this is symbolism, its obvious
the more photos in my links above all have obvious capstones, they are not just pointed roofs! masons have always ruled wellington and NZ for that matter... Wellington was named after a mason! this city was inspired and designed around masonic symbolism and energy lines.. masons and black magic (the manipulation of subtle forces for control) go hand in hand..
i should point out that 90% of masons dont know whats going on in the higher ranks, because it is a compartmentalized system, each lodge has 4-5 different groups using the same building at different times and no group knows exactly what the other group is doing, most masons just think its all about helping each other in careers and life, ill scratch your back and you scratch mine..
well it is like that BUT the catch is that if any time as a mason you are asked to perform a duty regardless of what that may be, it must be done, absolute blind obedience is the key and it is drilled into new recuits and throught the initiations, secrecy and brotherhood and absolute obedience to the rules, your fellow masons needs are above any other needs in law or order...
Its a cleaver system, cause it goes un-noticed as its designed that way... for example the judge that let off chief inspector Richarts, as far as the public is concerned he had no conflict of interest, but if it was widely known that they were both masons and the judges duty was to his fellow masons above all else then it would paint a different picture dont you think?
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 1:51 pm Post Subject: lion and unicorn, royal coat of arms etc
The lion and unicorn symbolism is all over ellington buildings as well as headsof lions on all the old buildings around Lambton quay area, just look up while u walk about... heres an example:
Typical Ruling class design with gold Lion representing the Royal bloodline rulers & white unicorn with rope/chain around body representing the common people/working class as prisoners/slaves. (in shackles, a rope or chain).. this can be seen everywhere all over nz, in england and US too...
as always its in your face, wheres the best place to hide something so that no-one would suspect the significance and ignore it? right in your face! thats where...
Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 1:56 pm Post Subject: war memorial in wellington
at the war memorial theres lions heads on the wall, outside a retirement home in kilbirnie there a lions head on the wall, these might seem like old relics of the royal family symbolism and they are, but they are also a reminder to our subconsious that 'they' (the crown) are our rulers, that they are everywhere and watching over us... see how the lion wears a crown and the unicorn doesnt, we are the unicorn!
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Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 5:28 pm Post Subject:
You are right there are symbols all over the place and where do they come from......where! who comes up with the idea to stick a couple huge lions outside ....i mean who does that....not me!
and what does it mean, and i mean what does it really mean.
I watched a vid on occult symbols being used in corporate, and it was very interesting although most of it was laced with chirstian nuttyness and few fibs and stretch's but it was still interesting....basically I later found out it may in some regards have something to do with Sigil magick! which is not nessacily an evil thing.
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:12 am Post Subject:
Elevate,
It's interesting what you say (apologies for the delay in reply also), though I don't agree what you say re Police being Masons.
And besides, they're just a group of boring old farts getting pissed together and doing silly dances. Not the world domineering force you think they are :P
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Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 11:48 am Post Subject:
The police being masons kinda comes from the chequer markings they have on there hats etc( no kinding) and the chequer flooring in a lot of the mason lodges..........what that all means beats me....
Ill read and see one thing that says masons are badies then another saying they are doing some good in the world, then another saying one member is scum and yet another with a member doing good.
Maybe like most things there can be good and bad at the same time in the same place with the same people....Even Hitler thought he was doing the world a service for good...(he is a poster child for "Dogma's gone wrong" though ).
The thing I keep finding is these little type cults that pop up through history missing the point of everything but retainning enough good points to sucker people in and creating very dogmatic sometimes a little secret and always a little weird followers and rituals.
I still dont know what there totally about now( except for death and rebirth rituals to try to enlighten), but I have decided they are just dinosors waiting to get wiped out by the next nutty cult.....maybe an alien type one will pop up....oh yeah we already have scientology! Im sure theres more room for another though.
Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:28 pm Post Subject: ummm ....
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It's interesting what you say (apologies for the delay in reply also), though I don't agree what you say re Police being Masons.
And besides, they're just a group of boring old farts getting pissed together and doing silly dances. Not the world domineering force you think they are
Well lets look at this...
Many police ARE masons..period. For example 80% of police in central london are masons... (a study was done on this as just ONE example)practically all heads of police ARE masons, all police commissioners and many judges etc...
Lew.. look I know your probably a nice enough guy and your masonic group are just as you describe them, harmless and just havn fun, playing cards and drinking... those are the lower ranks, 90% of masons are lower ranks, they make up the public image and do public service stuff... BUT have you ever really looked hard at the actual words used in your masonic ceremonies... the higher you go, the more obvious the wording gets untill the VERY FEW who get promoted much higher learn the truth... you currently believe exactly what you and everyone else is supposed to believe... im not saying they rule the world, nothing like it, im saying that upper level masons (a tiny minority of masons) are know some (only some) of their actual involvment in the NWO adgenda, they have by then been fully indoctrinated into thinking they are doing what must be done... your comments do not do you any favors, your simplistic understanding of the truth of the matter... i dont mean to be insulting but... you can step back and look at the big picture and join the dots and SEE that the masons higher ranks COLLECTIVELY have a huge influence on society in NZ, as long as each memeber plays his tiny part, a much greater whole can be acheived. Can you see this?
Take a lower ranking mason for example, most in their lifetime will never be asked to do anything "dodgy" for their fellow masons.. simply because their standing in society is not that important or influential, but the more important your job, the more u will get pushed up the ranks in masonry... see my point?
Even a lower mason might get asked once in his life to do something a little dishonest for a fellow mason in a higher rank for example... he will be expected to perform this duty quietly and without question, he may not want to, but he will likely think..well ok its just this one time, no big deal.. and then forget about it... now THINK... a massive country wide network of people linked to a massive worldwide network of people... all quiety doing their duties .. and in the higher ranks doing much more than a few dodgy things... we have people like this in our MOH for example who will lie on TV and make the most ridiculous statements.. knowing that they have no choice in the matter because they realise now that the humourous oaths they made really do mean something and really are serious... think about it, as long as all masons play their part either tiny or big, it means SO MUCH can be acheived collectively, can u see this? SO picture it like a huge pyramid, each county having a pyramid, and each country been part of a huge pyramid of masons in the world, NOW imagine that those few at the top of each pyramid and at the top of the worldwide pyramid are not very nice people, they are corrupted by power and feel priviledged by the years of conditioning to play their part without question, bound by fear and honor, imagine how much influence on world wide events those few at the top could have! Media, Law, Health, Military... just imagine.. then theres all the sigil magik... as satanshand pointed out... sigil magik as it is mostly used is for "evil" purposes, and sigils are used in masonry
i see the big picture, im not a paranoid theorist of any kind... i can see it,, the influence on world events... and they guys at the very top of masonry in the world are not just men, the Queen is grand royal patroness of Masonry worldwide.. did u know that? Albert Pike started the Klu Klux Klan,
Do you think its a coincidence that some of the highest known masons are not very nice people at all? its no bloody coincidence mate!!
WORK IT OUT
Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:42 pm Post Subject: just to add..
so at the top of masons wordwide, that pyramid connects to an even bigger pyramid which enconpases all the other secretive groups like skull & bones, templars and other groups that have been infiltrated over the years, so that at the VERY top we have a few people like Kissenger for example and others not even in the public eye, who weild a massive influence...
If u dont belive the stuff about police corruption then read "Coverups and Copouts" by Tom Lewis, a former CID from Dundein, he writes about the corruption in police and how polititians/media personalities and police work together to suppress and distort the truth... this book is on trademe and easily available in nz, he doesnt say masonry is responsible but he shows how interconncted these all these public services are and how they work together to hide truth, allow child prostitution to go unchecked etc...
Masonry has a lot to answer for!!
I also suggest you gety the DVD ..."Back door to the New World Order" which is about NZ been used as a testing ground for NWO policies.
Take the MEnB Vaccine as a recent example of new disease testing and DNA altering technology been seeded into a small polulation like NZ, we are a great testing ground for stuff due to our location and due to the fact that the new zealand govt is so @$#&!!* scared of the cia and has always been in their pocket, and yes even old David Lange was on the cia payroll.. read the bok above to see what i mean... David Lange helped to cover up a child sex scandal in Dunedin in the 80s... his anti-neuclear stance was a payoff for him, some glory he was allowed to enjoy as long as he towed the line in other things... he took on the world with anti-nukes but he was scared of the local networks in nz for other reasons... its a long story
Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:53 pm Post Subject: lew
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And besides, they're just a group of boring old farts getting pissed together and doing silly dances. Not the world domineering force you think they are
Lew you wouldnt know this unless u were a lower ranking mason yourself which it certainly sounds like u are... otherwise your just assuming this, how would u make such an assumption? u cant watch the silly dances.. its all behind high windows... also a high ranking mason would never even engage in this kind of idle chat about masonry or give themselves away so easily.. see why your still a low rank?
If u were cleaver enough to understand the significance of all this you would no doubt be in a more influential job and hence rank higher in the masons and not be on a messageboard saying the things you are saying...
just some speculation on my part
Interesting posts elevate. Of the topic a bit but...
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I also suggest you gety the DVD ..."Back door to the New World Order" which is about NZ been used as a testing ground for NWO policies.
Take the MEnB Vaccine as a recent example of new disease testing and DNA altering technology been seeded into a small population like NZ.
What did this dvd say about the dna altering technology and disease testing??
Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:25 am Post Subject: hi
The DVD is more about things like eftpos and other technologies tested here for conditioning the public to more tracking and also about using subliminal messages in nz tv channels for influencing public opinions... the menb comments are my own thoughts... I ordered the DVD from the prophesy club and it should arrive any day now, will let yas know what its like... i was surprised to find this dvd randomly on a US website having never heard of it before, its about NZ
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 1:08 pm Post Subject:
I to believed there may possible some type of mass conspircy going on with masons police goverment etc.
But after studing it all, the links soon fade when looking for hard hard facts....after all it is possible to link nearly any event to another using the right charts and a broad enough scope. I find most of these theories are laced with truth and lots of embalshment (and a few fibs sometimes).
Its more likely that there are many small conspircy running at the same time, this more in keeping with human nature and history. After all the police struggle to catch even the most basic of crimminals, Politians are so focused on there own egocentric agenda's, and masons are after the meaning of life after all even if they have missed the point, and rich business/banker wo/men basically feed on greed so its no wonder they will doing anything for a buck!
I would recommend reading Illumantis by Robert Anton Wilson before going to crazy with the conspircy stuff.....it helps put everything back into perspective......
Woo a bit off topic now... my idea for this thread was to be enlightened with who was a mason and who wasn't.........named persons only though, not generalisations as they are no better than stating all people of dark skin steal or all lawyers are dishonest neither statement is true nor completely false.
Question? Elevate are you saying David Lange was a mason or CIA double agent?
as ive said already, regardless of what some may think there is a pyramidal power structure within a pyramid witin pyramids, and robert anton wilson wrote a non-fiction book loosely based on facts, it dont mean s**t.
And there are plenty of hard facts to back up this claim.. and plenty of good books written on the subject.. linking these groups all together at the top..
I suggest reading books like "Holy Bloody- Holy Grail"... "The Merovingian Mythos" written by real historians and truth seekers. David Ickes books etc to name a few...
Watch documentaries like "The Illuminati (2005)", and "Secret Space" to see the links between groups like Skull & Bones, Bohemian Groove, Scrolol & key, The Daggers, Nasa, CFR (council on foreign relations), Trilateral commission, Bilderberg Group, Committe of 300 etc etc and all the other university groups all over the world including UK, China & Europe, all these groups are linked together simply because it makes sense to be linked for each of their collective benift. Sure there is in-fighting and rivalry, but they have a common goal, and at the top of these power structures is influence, and communication with astral entities of a negative nature that have plans for this planet...
Masons are just a part of the group... like ive said before its not all black and white and as simplistic as some might like to see it... most masons, the vast majority have no idea who they are ultimately working for at the top, just as most bankers, polititians, military etc... they all have their elite groups and they are all linked ...but ONLY linked at the very top... so that they may appear entirely seperate, even to most members...
So we have the groups in the universities... (Skull & bones, Scroll & Key etc), this is where people are hand picked at a young age and those who fit the right personality, bloodline and demeaner get pushed through their group towards the top.. get funding and encouragement from furhter up the pyramid to do their part... be it freemason, templar, mormon or any of the dozens of other off-shoots or agencies... some of those will make it to be a top banker, or a president of the US for example (of which many were skull & bones and masons for example) or a head of state or a famous Actor or Musician, or medial mogol, TV Presenter, etc depending on their chosen interests, apuppet for whatever institution is suitable... how else could people like Ronald regan and Bush jnr make it to the top job? Because of power, finanicial backing and public influence via tv... Take Tony Blair, hes a freemason of the Royal Scottish Rite, confirmed 33rd degree... then theres John Howard, confirmed 33rd degree Mason of Australia, and Bush, a 'Knight of Malta', and 33rd degree freemason, and hey all three have the same adgenda? bit of a coincidence?
Anyway im not saying masons are the 'bad guys', im saying that they are par tof the big pyramid but they arent at the top, i dont have all the details, i just know what i know, dont expect absolute proof of all of this, if we had absolute proof then the whole structure would be exposed and would have already failed wouldnt it.
Now to David Lange... I dont know if he was a mason, but id love to find out... it seems likely but I wont speculate on that as I have no proof whatsoever.
However in the book "Coverups & Copouts" written by fomer CID member Tom Lewis it is proven that David did have a hand in covering up child sex network in Dunedin... This is certain, that to some extent he did his bit to cover it up and it remained covered up except for the sworn testimony of Tom Lewis and a few others who refused to fall in line with the 'establishment', which was a group of lawyers, polititians, police and Media (the Otago daliy times) which worked together to hide this scandal back in the 80s in spite of protests in dunedin by the public thanks to other magazines publishing the truth.
Also I reccomend reading "The Opal File", a secret history of NZ politics to learn how the nz govt and prime ministers regularily met with CIA officials.
What i mean by this is that the CIA has a strong influence on nz politics using fear and threats... it is said in the opal file that when a new person becomes prime minister of NZ, they meet with the current CIA head for australiasia and a deal is struck, they are put on the CIA payroll if they agree to let the CIA do what they wish in nz, and its said that if they refuse to go on the payroll they are threatened or worse knocked off... as you will see in the opal file..
What is the Opal File? Most of our guests ’down under’ probably know about the Opal File. The Opal File was produced in Australia. It presents a string of evidences in support of the continuing conspiracies by the global elite. Many of our subscribers from around the world need to be aware - - just how ’global’ or world-wide this conspiracy is. It’s not just a conspiracy against or by the the U.S. or the U.K.!
