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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 11:30 am Post Subject: Eagle/Phoenix Symbolism In Coats Of Arms
In a reply to smash in another thread, Niksta typed the following quote. Rather than elaborate in that thread and go off-topic I've posted a response here as it's a current theme of some discussion. I thought it very much warranted a demonstration especially for those that may never have seen all the images below together in one place
Niksta wrote:
The Roman empire now operated out of Washington DC, they even have the eagle motifs...
I saw a reference to the astounding similarities between national Coats Of Arms on all continents very recently so this gives me an opportunity to clearly demonstrate here in this respect anyway just how bound up by symbolism every nation on this planet is. Now keep in mind that the ones below only represent just the straight out eagle/phoenix motifs that relate directly to the one Niksta mentions above. The main one he would refer to is the Great Seal Of The United States which is the most realistically eagle-like representation - in order to tie in with their national bird for patriotic reasons. All the other ones below are just the emblems that match this most closely. There are tons of others that have eagles/phoenixes in their emblems along with lions mainly and are arranged slightly differently - many with 5-pointed stars, many with a sun motif in one form or another (rising/setting/whole), etc, etc. What you will see if you visit the site where these came from is that there is an overwhelmingly close relationship in the symbolism in especially the Coats Of Arms & national emblems of (nearly?) every nation on earth. Is it a clear indication that national sovereignty as a political point of difference at least, like many, many, many other things, is just a very well-managed, self-policing facade to a) keep people unaware of the extent of an already existing "world government/empire" and/or b) keep people divided and unaware of the true nature of their existence?
If only more people would take the small amount of time necessary to really look at this properly they would start to get an understanding of what's going on here when people like The Vigilant Citizen say things like "Symbolism Rules The World, Not Words Nor Laws"!
The reference site in this case is Civic Heraldry.com as it has a decent collection of all Coats Of Arms, emblems and flags of every nation, even a few that are "unrecognised", all in one place for easy access.
I'm not going into the breakdown of what all the elements in these emblems mean or stand for in this thread as the point is just to show how closely related they all are. It's up to you to go further with it and start to uncover what it all means :wink:
So here we go. This is the Great Seal Of The United States -
Now for the rest and I think the similarities will astound those who've never looked at this in detail before!
With all the scheise going down in Egypt lately we've been seeing this pop up on news articles a lot especially straight after seeing a clip of a US Govt rep telling us all how they support the people but want to see "an orderly transition" -
Now look at all these other eagle/phoenix & shield-containing Coat Of Arms/State Emblems...
Armenia (features the lion as well but note the wing coming around the lion)
Austria
Germany (notable for the lack of a shield covering the body)
Indonesia
Iraq (since 2008)
Moldova (Moldavia)
Philippines (included just to show eagle clutching arrows & olive branch as in the US Seal)
Poland
Romania
Russia (Russian Federation)
Serbia
South Africa (RSA)
Thailand (included just to show similarities - even a little shield-like object in the centre)
United Arab Emirates (UAE)
And lastly let's all look at the similarity to this well-known emblem. Note that like the German Coat Of Arms it also has no shield covering/protecting/hiding its body which may or may not be relevant. The right foot higher than the left may be relevant as might the head turned to the right but as I said earlier this is all detail that you can go search out further -
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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 12:01 pm Post Subject:
Hah! I need to start another thread now because a few years ago I took the tour through Government House here in Wellington and took photos of all the phoenix symbolism (and many other symbols) that are right the way through that place.
The walls, lampshades, clocks, and pretty much most of the ornaments in that place are infested with masonic/illuminati symbolism...
Oh god I have created a Moon Star .. oops I mean monster :mrgreen:
Good pics, great stuff Crakka, just what's needed to reinforce the truth with the actual images and to keep the flow of info going.
I'll be looking forward to your pics smash, home made ones are the best! :D
Well, this really is a deep rabbit hole, in which one has to wade through some fairly deep historical waters to get to something resembling an origin of these icons.
How far do ya wanna go back, and how much can ya trust what you read?
The Eagle and the Serpent are ol' mates from the con-stellations ( yea I know, con means 'with' stellar=stars sorry, just love the 'con' word :lol: )
Which sends a lot of researchers off on an untamed female gander persuit.
As if to relate Draco and Greys etc ( wasn't Draco in Harry (Orion the Potter? )
Could be?
But then, the Lion (Leo) and the man (Aquarius) are also in the constellations.
So given the theme of civilizations rising and falling, the fixed stars have been around ..ooooh I dunno a, "long" time!
Meanwhile here on earth.
What we DO know is as the illustrious crakka and smash have pointed out is - in the very recent past via all the institutions that exercise power and control, these images feature heavily.
I had to help a signwriter with some graphics a while back and he really really wanted an 'eye' in his logo.
I don't think he is an agent for you know who :lol:
It's obvious his unconscious knew that successful companies had logos with eyes.
So do we suppose that by displaying these;
Eagles
Serpents / Gryphons
Lions
Suns
5 pointed stars etc that it's some sort of "we are in this club just so you know"?
Or is it more sinister, ( left handed ) and some deep and ancient part of us says something like "oh these guys are the boss"?
I have asked myself this constantly, and what springs to mind is - the happy chappies who do the multi generational shuffle and bring pain to humanity - have had just a weeeee bit of practice at shepherding the sheeple.
Therefore, if the said images work for them they keep using 'em.
Almost makes ya wonder if it's some sort of trigger like a Manchurian Candidate planted script.
<human_thoughts_script>
If Eagle is displayed
Then give them power they are the overlords
<end_script>
What I do know and would say is the truth without hesitation is;
our unconscious runs the show.
It's the engine room of our reality.
It doesn't use words, it uses symbols, images and it does NOT use words!
That's why in dreams, ( i.e. your unconscious ranting ) you don't dream of a voice saying;
"damn the brakes on the car I am driving don't work, yiikes!"
You get the full technocolour panavision 3D experience of it.
BTW, it means you think your life is moving to fast and you / life is out of con-troll 8)
Armed with this understanding it makes a pooh load of difference to the understanding of the barrage of imagery that assails us, and "should' make one hone ones awareness of every thing you eyeball!
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:01 am Post Subject:
Grrrrrrr (monster sound!) :lol:
Well said Niksta, especially the last part :wink: We spend so much time on words - thinking about the right thing to say or how to say it and language is probably the biggest overall component that we are trained in during our school indoctrination. We are also continually deconstructing/reconstructing language and I think in a way one reason for this is to simply keep the focus on words & language in general as opposed to understanding the age-old concept "a picture speaks a thousand words"! Txting is a good example for me where even though the words have been deconstructed right down to bare bones (lingistic minimalism) and people think they are using symbols (smilies), the focus is very much on the use of simple words to communicate EVERYTHING and CONSTANTLY. We are almost at the point now where normal face-to-face communication employing the reading of all the subtleties of body language, intonation, etc has just about completely been replaced for many kids & older people too. Indeed I think many are losing or in fact not even learning this skill and in turn are quite probably becoming less & less able to conceive the huge impact that symbols & pictures actually have on them.
I remember playing Doom for the first time for hours way back and then being amazed at how my dreams for days were filled with picture perfect Doom quests with all the sounds in place exactly! A little scary when you think how powerful that imagery was. I wonder if these days real heavy txters who are txting continuously all day long actually do dream screeds of unending (deconstructed) words omg lol wtf roflmfao?!!! :mrgreen:
One correlation I can immediately think of with ref to the 'Eagle' is the book by
Carlos Castenada - 'The eagles gift'
I am sure a few of you are aware of Castenadas books which delve into ancient Toltec shamanisim in a very clear and awe inspiring way. In this particlular book he describes the eagle as the entity, occult force or being that gifts us all with awareness and subsequently upon our deaths this awareness is reclaimed as its 'food'.
Our perception of this reality is a result of the eagles 'emanations' (quantum physics?). It is said that the eagle stands at the center of all things and all things are manifest because of it.
Maybe this is the link as to the legend of people who have their life flash before their eyes upon death, a type of memory download?
The aim of these ancient shamans, who believed the eagle could be circumvented (a gift from it), was to escape through a crack to 'freedom'. The eagle granted this gift to propogate true awareness. Apparently its quite tricky :-).
Anyway, I found a you tube video describing the old seer's capacity to fathom this entity tied in with a modern astrological outlook. The music is quite amusing as well :-). Castenadas books are well worth reading, very inspiring and cleverly worded.
Good one secondfield!
CC is essential reading for anyone on the path.
All us old hippies read them :lol:
It is looking like a clue.
As I say the Eagle is part of the stellar rugby team.
Scorpio is said to manifest it's self in one of it's aspects as the Eagle and as one of it's energetic signatures is transformations.
The vid is kewl, tho as a convert to the Electric Universe;
http://www.thunderbolts.info/ http://www.holoscience.com/synopsis.php
I treat the black hole "theory" with some small portion of sodium chloride.
Quote:
Maybe this is the link as to the legend of people who have their life flash before their eyes upon death,
Yeps, legendary and extremely common - the below link of course is nasty ol' Wiki, but it has the researchers like Raymond Moody mentioned.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_review
Is evidence of the nature of our reality as more like a dream or hologram (g*ds video game )
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 11:55 pm Post Subject:
Wholly sexual intercourse! I'm so glad you guys are discussing this here & right now :wink: Thanks so much for the fantastic correlation secondfield! I have so much to do now - go back and read Castenada books (it's been almost 30 years and I'll be seeing them in a completely different way to those "hazy" days!) and dig out my Thunderbolts Of The Gods video. I'd love to check that youtuber out secondfield but it'll have to wait till I can get a friend to d/l it on non-snailpace interwebs 8)
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 9:37 pm Post Subject:
i, too was a big fan of Carlos, read Journey to Ixtlan about twenty times in my teens, tried all the exercises in it, and found they all worked.....recently reread it, and also googled up about his "personal history", and the myths surrounding him......seems he was pretty self-indulgent and rather predatory, in his personal life, not my kind of guy
i thought everything after Ixtlan smacked of being written by a group of students, all head and no heart, nothing useful for me....just my opinion
recently read a book called "Secrets of the Talking Jaguar", by a guy called Martin Prechtel, who seems to me to take the same themes as Castaneda but in the context of a traditional Mayan town in Guatamala, and probably treats these themes with more power and authenticity, and probably with a cleaner purpose,also he's wickedly funny, and exquisitely good writer, really enjoyable
this book also contains some exercises, which i'm looking forward to trying out
couldn't get through to the youtube link, secondfield.....anyone else have a problem? the internet is slow where we are
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 7:18 pm Post Subject:
steve clougher wrote:
...Castaneda...
As one of the focus' here is on words, thanks for the grammatical correction :wink: I knew when I read my post back his name sounded funny! Been so long since I'd seen it written down :)
Opinions on Castaneda's personality aside, I think there's probably some value in the eagle correllation. Have the book here so will get around to going back over in time.
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 7:29 pm Post Subject:
Rewatched Thunderbolts Of The Gods and this kinda stood out for some reason....
One of the first things that David Talbott says as a talking head is - "It was 33 years ago that I first began to wonder about these preposterous stories told around the world, what we call world mythology." :lol:
