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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:14 am Post Subject: Rolling out the terror
There is no doubt, going by information so far, that the Supression of Terrorism Act was a completely unnecessary step to take. All the arrests so far come under the Firearms Act. Why then, me thinks, trot out this piece of "over the top" legislation? Here are some offerings:
1. Use the Act. See how it flies. Public reaction ..... will there be an uproar?
2. Terrorise children in buses and terrorise local families.
3. Give notice to activists and others who may not agree with the "system"
that the "system" will act with some ferocity and will have you under it's eye.
4. Test out the "independent" nature of the police action. The Police minister
distancing herself from any backlash.
5. Create a case to strengthen an amendment to the law under consideration
at this very time.
Clearly, this whole event is ludicrous. So far not one item has been brought forward to indicate that anyone was or is a terrorist. Free these people!!!
Notice how yesterday the government announced that they are now allowed access to the American terrorist database...
Quote:
Thursday, 18 October 2007
New Zealand spies have won access to a United States Government terrorist database in a deal the Security Intelligence Service (SIS) claims will "significantly enhance New Zealand national security".
Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:14 pm Post Subject: Rolling out the terror
TY Steve. Of course by provocation I assume you mean the government provoking those individuals and groups who disagree with "them". Well ... it's the old flush 'em out ploy.
Of course it has to be addedly noted that the NZ government has just signed up to the US terror database ... opening the door for surveillance of NZers by the US.
In my view .... NZers should demand to see and be able to scrutinise the evidence which the police have. For the police or the political system to refuse to present the evidence is precisely what you would think anti-terrorism should be all about. Of course the NZ "system" has never been a very transparent system, with its fondness of closed door politics. NZers, if they want transparency must demand this evidence, not to do so is tantamount to giving the police and/or the political system carte blanche when it comes to taking actions related to perceived issues of state security ...... and if history has taught us anything .... it has taught us that NO government should ever have such power.
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:01 pm Post Subject:
well , brothers , demanding is one thing , but it's always been the case in negotiations that you parley , when possible , from a strong position
when dickering with a corrupted public service , who have surreptitiously had their palms greased for decades , (see the opal files) and who now , thanks to their willingness to betray their own people , have a friendly working relationship with the worst gang of psychos the world has seen , it would not seem sensible to assume a core of decency in our secret police
our only peaceable , practical course of action is to plug in at grass roots , talk politics with everyone including the butcher and grocer , make efforts to cross cultural lines , grow vegetables , share and do community work
this kind of thing benefits everyone , including the secret and psychotic elements
let us take our local government representatives to task , make them aware that they are employed by us , for us , and are under scrutiny
above all , drag the rugby world cup referees into the glare of the spotlight
Yes Deano ..... it probably is the case .... because the whole event doesn't make much sense otherwise. If the police had been checking this out for a year, as has been claimed, then surely the police would have gone ahead under the Firearms Act ..... all charges support this .... as all charges have been firearms changes. I await the announcement of the terrorist among those who have thus far been arrested. I have the feeling that I will be waiting a long time.
And yes .... Steve ..... talk politics. But of course many people don't want to talk politics. They are already set in the belief that they cannot do anything about anything. And many more just don't want to know. It depresses them. Still ... where-ever possible ..... yes .... talk about this. I have already let the ministers know my feelings on this issue and asked some questions .... but I sent the minister of justice an email a while ago ...2 months or so ... and I have not had any reply at all ... not even an acknowledhement that my email was received. Rudeness is part of the political process in this little country, as any tuning in to Parliamentary sessions will clearly show.
I hope that there will be a major protest against all this as I will be there ..... To see NZers stand up and say out loud ..... NO ,this is not the will of the people!
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 4:36 pm Post Subject:
yes , i have experience trying to work through parliamentary representatives , too
they won't lift a finger unless it affects their own selfish interests , in general
which is why i say , focus on your local elected representatives . if the local government is strong , and the electorate is in on meetings , observing and participating , then there is leverage available to bring to bear on the national level
public interest really is the cornerstone of freedom , especially in these times. When it is not there , the field is open for big money to get whatever it wants
the rule becomes "might is right , " and the honest worker is well on the way to slavery.
issues like building and health regulations , even the freehold system of land ownership itself , these can be interesting areas to do some fine-tuning , issue a challenge , get the decision-making brought back to the local level where possible ,
given the direction of the neocons , oligarchs and crat-o-crats (i call them) , the only alternative to this strategy is pretty horrific . As far as i can see
Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 6:24 pm Post Subject: We can offend .... u can't
and now we have a megaphone used as an apparent weapon by a member of the political order and the one who weilded it goes free while others are arrested.
And we have a violent incident in parliament but it is "forgiven".
What is this? It would appear that it is one law for "them" and another for the rest ....... clearly shown.
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 10:26 pm Post Subject:
there's an arrogance among public servants, that i can't understand .
they're not productive ,they rely on productive workers to survive , and they seem to feel that entitles them to a superior attitude , and even a superior rate of pay
please correct me if i'm wrong , but by any logic i've ever known , if one person gets more than they deserve , someone , somewhere , has to get less than they deserve
Yes ..... seems about correct. It is disturbing that NZers are letting this all slip by. The latest action, especially the megaphone incident, seems so clear to me that you'd think that people would raise a cry ... but no ... on they go with their heads seemingly buried. It is interesting that it was a megaphone that was used ..... a megaphone!
Also note that all has gone quiet regarding the terror suspects. There is as little noise made about as possible at government level .... while the proceedings are carried through.
