Mysteries, Chemtrails, Aerosols :: Mysterious NZ

[smashdracs]

I live in Wellington and much of the cloud and "cloud" that drifts through the sky here passes over or originates from the sky over Marlborough by my observations.

Today we had mostly clear sky in Wellington up until about 12.30-130pm. And then a huge amount of suspicious looking high cirrus cloud drifted overhead.

I need a few people who live in Marlborough to post any observed persistant contrail/chemtrail activity as it happens or at least post reports of what you observe in the sky and the direction it drifts on a regular basis.


I check and watch the sky frequently each and every day where I am.

Is there anybody who reads these forums who lives in Marlborough and watches the sky daily for similar reasons that I do?
Do you have ready access to the net and are you willing to post your observations during trail days?

Surely there must be a couple of keen sets of eyes over there that can help to document trail activity here in the "middle" of the country.

Give me some replies here people! Lets work out a way to get a good picture over a reasonable area of the top of the South and bottom of the North Islands.

Photos are one tool we have to document, and posting observations here on the forum to go with the photos is better, giving accurate times of trail sightings and directions they are heading is extremely valuable.

If we can do this, a picture can be formed and we can move a step closer to ascertaining if there really is a large secret military operation happening in our skies, or if myself and others here are a bunch of insane muppets.

[steve clougher]

don't worry , smashdracs,
i have evidence from correlating weather maps and chemtrail observations , that through the winter here , there is a direct relationship between chemtrails and the passage of cold fronts , also that it is clear that active fronts do not cause "contrails" to become persistent , rather, that it is extremely likely that chemtrails are being used to hold up the rain in active fronts .

in other words , the ongoing and deepening drought , is not entirely natural

on www.theuniversalseduction.com , there is an article from October the 4th , concerning legislation tabled in the Australian parliament , to censor the internet .

apparently little johnny has done another lightning-fast draw , and is shooting from the hip

as to the Marlborogh data , how about satellite pics?

[smashdracs]

The satellite pics often dont show the chemtrail activity over Marlborough, I have often tried to view it. Many times on heavy spray days the pictures arent available or they are there and mysteriously show no sign of chemtrail/persistant contrails even though they were taken at times when the sky is clearly loaded with them.

I believe that the satellite images are often "washed" electronically to hide the evidence or on the worst days they just dont post them. There has been the odd occasion when the images have shown the trails that I remember.

[steve clougher]

yes , i've seen credible assertions about the washing out of chemtrails on satellite pics........sometimes they show up

[ruapaka]

Kia ora Smash

Firstly, I would like to say I appreciate your posts and the images you have provided - appreciate your enthusiasm. :-)

I would be very keen to help out ... I live in the Pelorus Valley - near Havelock - and I look in on MysteriousNZ most days. I am able to check out the sky regularly during most days and have been observing trail activity for 4 years plus. I have taken many notes and images. I have read a lot of info on the subject of 'chemtrails' but I'm not sure what to think . I have often observed the persistant trails are usually laid during a nor-westly wind .. I watch the trails drift eastwards toward Wellington, as they do so they are spreading into a hazy cover. Also, I used to be in Nelson every Saturday for an 18 month period about 3+ years ago and frequently observed persistant trails. Where I live I have seen many planes lay persistant trails - flight paths usually South to North, some coming back again, and a few going West to East - sometimes trails intersect. I have seen planes laying trails on the same flight path within 5 minutes of each other - wondered about flight regulations on that one??.

I have a set of binoculars and a humble kodak digital camera, but I am keen to help.

Ruapaka

[ruapaka]

.... forgot to mention ... I travel to Blenheim regularly as well ..many trails observed and photographed ..

[steve clougher]

i have seen satellite images of heavy chem off Westport , which on a south-westerly stream , also ends up over Wellington

it would be good to know if that is as regular a thing as the ones you report, ruapaka

these chemtrails are very difficult to come to grips with

steve

[smashdracs]

Thankyou for your reply ruapaka!

It is great to know we have a set of eyes down there. Keep us all updated here as the action happens and we here in Wellington will do the same. 8)

[ruapaka]

Hi Smashdracs

I have been unable to connect adequately to internet last couple of days due to .... ?? telecom . :-( I am an old hand at reading but a newbie at posting .. where would it be best to post observations and/or images - a new topic specific to 'central-nz' ??

'Tis spring and the rain does come and come and come ... with the odd patch of blue sky, observation opportunities are limited. I was in Blenheim on Saturday afternoon and the sky was mostly clear of rain clouds .. there was the tell-tale haze ahead of the predicted front, (something Steve C highlights). I saw 3 distinct persistant trails on the eastern side travelling South-North.

From where I live I can see the sky over Nelson - on Sat. morn I saw long trails of cloud in the distance .. It seems Saturday was a busy day.

I have a question re the NZ Flight Vector map on home page - do air-craft variate their paths .. can they be off to the east or west a bit ??? I ask because I have refered to the map several times and am certain some planes are not on any of the paths over my area. ??

I am going to upload an image to the gallery - panoramic (3 images/1) looking westward at the Richmond Ranges which is the range that flanks the north side of the Wairau River - very much the same look as what I observed on Saturday - haze and trails blending in.



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[info4]

ruapaka said

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[smashdracs]

Marlborough is where it all happens.

I have a good story of a sighting down there in Havelock in 2004. I was working in a restaurant there at the time and had walked outside for a cigarette. There were heavy chemtrails that day and just as I had lit my smoke and looked up a very thick one was being layed out over the Pelorus area.

Now I swear by what I saw that day and have never forgotten it. The jet was very big, wide and painted grey with no markings. It was flying much much lower than a normal commercial jet and the trail was very very big and wide.
I saw a pod on the side of the jet, it was very clearly visible and it was discharging spray. The pod was located just back from the right wing. There was absolutely no mistaking it and much profanity passed through my lips as I didnt have a camera to document it.

A month earlier I had witnessed a trail layed out over Rai Valley that was at 90 degrees to the usual commercial flight path and it spread like nothing I had ever witnessed before or since, it was simply unbelievable. It spread fast and did not look like any other trail I have seen both here in Wellington or Marlborough, it was very very dense looking and spread over what was likely many miles within 10 minutes. I did not see the craft that discharged it. I had an old coot barking at me to take my eyes off the sky and help him replace a busted valve on my car and he was very irrate that I had my head in the clouds.

Some here may call me a liar or question my eyesight or memory on those 2 events. They are 100% true and I did see them.

[smashdracs]

I just queried my girlfriend if she remembers the day I saw that and she does remember me explaining exactly what was posted above, It was a huge low flying unmarked grey jet with a pod visible on the right hand side of it discharging a thick chemtrail.
I believe it would have had a pod on the other side as well as it was spraying twin thick trails.

The only way to debunk that sighting is to call me a liar or somesuch....

Bugger anyone who says there is no such thing as chemtrails. Your either a liar or ignorant. Ignorance is perfectly forgivable.

[info4]

[smashdracs]

Ruapaka asked

[smashdracs]

Darn it, I forgot to add that on my way to work on Saturday morning about 7.30am I saw and photographed a couple of trails west of Wellington. I glimpsed the sky a few times during the day and could see a bit of "stuff" drifting overhead. Later in the afternoon it appeared clear.

[info4]

Here are the examples I said I would post (as above), taken from Flight Explorer on 14 October 2007 at around 7.20pm - 7.40pm. Larger pictures can be seen of them in the Photo Gallery.

Essentially they show two Christchurch to Auckland flights – one by Qantas and one by Air NZ. They’re both 737s and they are about 5 minutes apart. I watched them all the way into Auckland and land at the airport, on Flight Explorer. I confirmed their arrival time via the Auckland Airport arrivals and departures web site. This is just to show that there are times when aircraft can and do fly the same flight path within 5 minutes of each other.

However it also highlights that while they were progressing up the South Island they weren’t exactly on the same flight path but once they got over the Taranaki area their flight paths converged.

I have observed that flights do tend to follow the same flight path (they are predetermined) but from time to time you can see a slight variation from the normal route. Why, I don’t really know and I guess that’s a question in itself. What we are looking for are those that are way off what might be considered the standard route.

Hope this helps, ruapaka. The hardest thing to know when you are looking from the ground is where has it come from and where is it going to. Only then can you consider is it on the right flight path or at least what we’ve come to observe is a normal flight path. As I said above they don’t vary much.

[steve clougher]

good stuff , info4 i'd be fascinated to know which airline(s) are spraying , more than others . where we live , qantas is the main one . we get quite a few different airlines over here , commonly seeing three aircraft or more , in the sky at any one time (not all the time)

at regional airports of medium size , different airlines commonly bunch their schedules together , to save on costs, so they very often fly within a few minutes of each other

they seem to be able to lay chemtrail patterns , using commercial flightpaths , and taking advantage of drift

non-commercial contributors are rare around here , but can be very conspicuous when they do appear. two days ago there was a massive spray program , as usual , preceding a cold front.

as always , there was no rain , out of it

[ruapaka]

I have had a few of life's distractions recently ... excuse my delay in responding ....

Thank you Info4 for your research ... I am trying to work out how I might determine the location/coordinates of the trail paths ... my knowledge of such things is limited ... I think many trails I have observed are 'off track' when referencing the Mysteriousnz flight vector map. Maybe the timing of sightings could provide more information ..ie, departure time, expected time to pass over, sighting times. ??? Just a thought - not sure how this could be done.

I have a good sense of compass location (especially when the compass is in my hand) :-) When a plane is not visible the sound is one indication, but the trail gives definite direction ... the longer the trail is in the sky the thicker/wider it becomes - the thinner part/end of a trail will indicate the direction the plane is travelling. (Hope I make sense - I'm probably stating the obvious.) I have a pretty good knowledge of the geography of top-of-the-south. I also have a good knowledge of observational techniques .. I am trying to put together a observational form that I can record sighting info that might help to determine the on/off track flights/trails. I'll see how I go .. I don't always have a lot of time to devote to this subject but I will do my best. Just telling you about it has taken up some of my gardening time - gotta find a balance between food for the table and food for thought .. :-)