Mysteries, Chemtrails, Aerosols :: Mysterious NZ

[smashdracs]

When I was a kid contrails were only visible during the winter months and they were always short lived, never persistent but exciting to see all the same.

Now Im all grown up Im still looking up everyday and this winter has been a great disappointment for contrail spotting.

Having recently been layed off work due to a serious health condition I have had a lot of time to watch the sky.

I have spotted persistent contrails (Chemtrails) on 2 occasions in the last 6 weeks.
Im assuming that the upper atmosphere for the last few months would show us that conditions for contrail formation have not been happening.
During the summer here in Wellington the sky is often loaded with Chemtrails and the visible spread from them. As soon as winter arrives they all disappear.

It looks like we shall have to wait for the hot weather to arrive before we see those heavy chemtrail days again.

[Deano]

Yeah mate you would think that with all the cold weather it would be ripe for persistant contrails to form but the airliners are making no emissions. In saying that I have seen some odd feathered clouds and the chemjet has been doing the rounds but not doing his usual work (spraying chemcrud). Mostly observing. The winds have been strong though and I think chemtrail operations are not possible or practical in these conditions.

Sorry to hear about your illness Smash. Nothing permanent I hope?

[steve clougher]

i've just driven to Sydney and back . no chemtrails around here lately either , and fairly light around Sydney , but full-on around Canberra, the season /weather is not the main factor

steve

[smashdracs]

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[steve clougher]

looks familiar

we're heading into drought again , here . the lows and cold fronts are being pushed south by high pressure systems over the landmass

a few days ago , i noticed on the weather map , a tendency for the highs to split and form two cells........... also remarkable is the intensity of the lows in the southern ocean

see www.bom.gov.au for the 4 day forecast chart issued 27th Aug 07 , and following days. These charts are pretty general , they leave out detail that can be picked up from the satellite pics

if there is interference with the weather , the following factors come into focus:

drought always drives Australian farmers off the land and into towns , in greater or lesser numbers . right now , there's plenty who are looking down the barrel

one of the clearest things about the neocon agenda is their land-grabbing .

we've just had really shonky legislation passed here , which , on the back of claiming to be dealing with child sexual abuse , contains provisions for the retrenchment of Aboriginal land ownership rights , which were gained over decades , by incredible efforts large contingents of federal police are being deployed in the outback at present

in Tasmania , the forestry companies are the means by which multinationals lock the local people out of large areas , and if you follow the progress and spread of these areas , you can see that forestry , and commercial strategies , are not the only criteria for their movements .

in the farming communities , there is a big reactionary political movement , which is completely ignored by the press and tv. talkback radio lets a bit through, and they publish their own little paper , and have a sizable presence on the internet

from the urban citizen's viewpoint , this movement is strongly xenophobic , homophobic , and gun-nutty . from the government's point of view , it expresses the wish to devolve power back to the people , and it is armed , and organising

so the very large numbers of federal police now crawling all through outback communities , are probably looking for more info than just who is sexually abusing whom, and chemtrails may be playing a part (or two) in this whole plan

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[steve clougher]

think i was wrong about the season being unimportant . chem spraying is definitely much lighter in the winter

also , my mate who sees UFOs says that is also a summer thing

[steve clougher]

think i was wrong about the season being unimportant . chem spraying is definitely much lighter in the winter

also , my mate who sees UFOs says that is also a summer thing

[smashdracs]

It is definately a summer event.

I suspect that the "Contrail Analysis" charts hector used to provide would show that there isnt a link between atmospheric conditions and the formation of chemtrails if we compared the number of days the conditions are supposedly right for them to form during the summer months compared to the winter months.

If indeed hector is correct, then as stated above the winter months here seldom produce atmospheric conditions for the formation of chemtrails/contrails as opposed to the very frequent occurance of them during summer.

[steve clougher]

one of the strange things Hector said was that temperatures in the 20,000 ft area are totally independent of ground temps . if anyone can substantiate that , i'll look at it , but for now , i find it quite incredible . it's very easy to make assertions about things like atmospheres and stars , that can't be easily proven or disproved

steve

[smashdracs]

I would be happy to simply be shown the comparison charts between Winter and Summer.

I suspect we wont because the data probably match the debunkers arguments.

[steve clougher]

i think we are being a bit too cautious , i reckon there is enough proof that our beloved leaders are lying through their teeth , even just for practice , chem spraying is a fact , gangsterism by the european parasites , through the fed and the military- industrial is a fact , we have to look for new leaders (Winston Peters comes to mind ......... not only does he seem to have common sense , but as i heard it , a pod of orca was seen in Tauranga harbour the day he got in , a rare and dare i say it , mysterious event) and we have to consolidate at grass roots , as politically vigilant communities . we should offer the prevailing power elite a deal , they should get an amnesty , or they will take us all down with them . witness the depleted uranium debacle .

steve

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[steve clougher]

point taken , we're all only human , and i'm aware that Winston has changed allegiance a few times , but that's all i know , except that he thinks all NZers should be considered one people for the purposes of sharing resources .

i left NZ in 1973, came back quite often for short stays , lived near Tauranga 2002-4 , 3 full years , but learned next to nothing about Winston then .

what am i missing?

[smashdracs]

It looked like Marlborough got hit today.

Is Betty Rowe still about? She seemed to be the only person in Marlborough with good eyes and a brain....

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Word has it that Nelson and Marlborough skies have been a mess in the last week or two.
We have been seeing the drift over Wellington for the last week or so.

[smashdracs]

We still have not yet seen a day here in Wellington this spring/summer where the sky is hammered with trails from morning till night like in previous years...

[Deano]

Plenty of days have been perfect for chemtrails here lately but not a sign. But then you know what happens when I say we havent been hit hard for a while.

Has anybody been following the wanta case...the missing 300 trillion (where you knew something was up when daddy bush cried). Maybe that dough was for running black budget operations like the chemtrail program...(ignore this it was my unrestrained conspiracy bent mind working over time again :)

[steve clougher]

plenty of chemtrails here

all morning and in the late afternoon , again

where do you put 300 trillion? there's no room under the bed , on account of all the communists

any chance of starting a page two for this thread? it takes 5 minutes to load

[ruapaka]

Did the 300 trillion exist? :?

[ruapaka]

I have not seen any persistant trails since the last week of October. Not as much rain as the Pelorus area usually gets this time of year - that's been the case for about 6/7 years now. Dry conditions - had many days of cloud without rain - clouds draw the moisture ... it's raining as I type. :roll:

[steve clougher]

ruapaka , we may be on to something

following a HINT from some north american site , i started checking the barometer more than before , especially when a cold front was indicated by the weather map to be approaching

what i have found is that strange rises in barometric pressure seem to be invariably associated with frantic spraying ahead of fronts , and diminished rainfall , from what might normally be expected

politically speaking , New Zealand , with its deep affection for Australia , which i can assure you is returned with complete indifference , verging on mild hostility from this side of the ditch , is probably a source of some concern for the neocons

NZ has the lowest incidence of official corruption in the world

Australia is very important to the neocon agenda. Australian official corruption is much worse than is publicly known

join the dots , brothers and sisters

what is presently needed , is a network of people with recording barometers , and a systematic chemtrail observe and report regimen .

i do not think it would be too long , before a cogent picture of control-at-all-costs, by the shadowy elite , would begin to emerge in vivid and extremely uncomfortable technicolour