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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 7:41 pm Post Subject: Now is a good time for our Members of Parliament to front up
It is a fact that Weather Modification is a reality and being used by some governments and corporations around the world.
We need some answers from our own Government on this one.
Firstly, can our Government assure us that NO WEATHER MODIFICATION TECHNOLOGIES are in use or operation in New Zealand airspace?
If not, are they going to move to ensure that this doesn't ever happen here?
These are important questions that the NZ Govt needs to answer.
I wonder if perhaps technological interference and manipulation of weather systems by Governments such as that in China are responsible at least in part for the dramatic increase of the severity of weather around the planet?
The NZ Govt needs to assure us that this isn't and wont ever happen here.
Good point it would be interesting to see a reponse to that very question on record. Are you considering an email to them and who would you send it to?
As you say, now would be a good time to raise this issue. Seeding clouds in China and influencing the weather for the Beijing Olympic Games seems to be a recurring, though low profile, news story.
I doubt that there are cloud seeding operations in New Zealand, but there certainly are other types of weather modification operations. 'Airborne' operations are probably of most interest, but for completeness let's have a list of all weather modification operations that we know of. They are all, technically, occurring in New Zealand airspace...
Growing and Maintaining Shelter Belts:
These provide shelter from the weather for fruit trees and livestock. They are mostly effective against cold and strong wind, rain, snow, and possibly hail. They provide areas of shade from the sun in summer. Also, by shading from the sun, they affect the thawing of frost and 'black ice'. This is known to be a hazard on some roads in Canterbury and in other regions. This is mitigated to some extent by territorial authority district plans that restrict the height of shelter belts on road boundaries in relation to the distance from the road.
Links:
Google - pages from New Zealand: about 267 for "shelterbelt" +"district plan".
Frost Protection:
There are several methods, and these are often used in combinations. Some of these are a noise nuisance and subject to regulation by local authorities.
Links:
Google - pages from New Zealand: about 19,100 for "frost protection".
Helicopters
Local mixing of the lowest several tens of metres of the atmosphere to artificially raise the near ground air temperature.
Smoke Pots
Artificially create a radiation (heat) barrier against cooling of the near ground air temperature.
Fans: Vertical and Horizontal (windmills)
Local mixing of the lowest few tens of metres of the atmosphere, or 'export' of cold air, to artificially raise the near ground air temperature.
Water Spray/Mist
Aiming for an ice coating on the setting buds or whatever is not really 'weather modification', but spraying water to eventually induce mist or fog to have the same effect as th use of smoke pots is.
Hail Protection: Hail Cannon
Briefly, this is supposed to work by the shock wave jolting supercooled water droplets so that they freeze when they are still small. They then have a chance to melt to rain as they fall below the freezing level instead of colliding with already frozen droplets to form damaging sized hail stones. At least, that is how I suspect it works, if in fact it does work. Use of these is subject to local authority rules and district plans.
Links:
Google - pages from New Zealand: 4 for "hail cannon".
www.hailcannon.com/ Hail Cannon Manufacturer - Eggers Anti Hail Device
www.rodney.govt.nz/council/2006minutes/august/DPA0908.pdf NOTICE OF MEETING DISTRICT PLAN COMMITTEE
www.rodney.govt.nz/Council/DistrictPlan/Chapters/ch016.pdf 16 GENERAL RULES
www.hastingsdc.govt.nz/districtplan/14.2/14.2.pdf SECTION 14.2 NOISE
Garden Cloches and Greenhouses
Local protection from frost and artificially raises the air temperature in the enclosed space.
Links:
Google - pages from New Zealand: about 25 for Cloches +Glasshouses
Artificial Shade
Local shading from sunlight; prevents beneficial exposure, and protection (possibly only partially) from UV radiation.
Links:
Google - pages from New Zealand: about 46 for "artificial shade".
Outdoor/Patio/BeerGarden Heating
Local surface heating by infrared radiation.
Links:
Google - pages from New Zealand: about 10,200 for "patio heaters".
There may be more, but this seems to be a nearly complete list.
Yes, the weather modification industrial complex is certainly alive and well in New Zealand, and somewhat regulated. If there is going be a representation to the Gu'ment, there should perhaps be an indication that there is not so much concern about these common weather modification operations in New Zealand airspace.
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:59 am Post Subject:
Well done Hector.
A fascinating load of waffle as usual. Lets take a brief look at it.
Hector lists the following as evidence of a weather modification industrial complex
Quote:
Growing and Maintaining Shelter Belts:
These provide shelter from the weather for fruit trees and livestock. They are mostly effective against cold and strong wind, rain, snow, and possibly hail. They provide areas of shade from the sun in summer. Also, by shading from the sun, they affect the thawing of frost and 'black ice'. This is known to be a hazard on some roads in Canterbury and in other regions. This is mitigated to some extent by territorial authority district plans that restrict the height of shelter belts on road boundaries in relation to the distance from the road.
Links:
Google - pages from New Zealand: about 267 for "shelterbelt" +"district plan".
Outdoor/Patio/BeerGarden Heating
Local surface heating by infrared radiation.
Links:
Google - pages from New Zealand: about 10,200 for "patio heaters".
Thats exactly why I think of you as a baffoon, because you post crap like that and worse.
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Location: north-east victoria
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:15 pm Post Subject:
i'm not sure that Hector's not genuinely trying to be sincere and helpful here .
on a more mysterious note , there is a description and diagram in Bruce Cathie's Harmonic 33 , for a set-up which is supposed to warm the air locally . it consists of an aerial , with a number of wires radiating from its apex to points on the ground , like the poles of a tipi , and connecting across the ground to the base of the aerial .
Hail Protection: Hail Cannon
Briefly, ... instead of colliding with already frozen droplets to form damaging sized hail stones. At least, that is how I suspect it works, if in fact it does work.
Yeah, right. Wouldn't thunder have the same effect? There are a plethora of semi plausible explanations like that, some over 100 years old. It seems that hail cannons are of no use in protecting crops from hail damage. They don't work.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:43 pm Post Subject:
Hector, when do you get the time to read this rubbish?
this isn't relevant to New Zealand politics.
i worked on a water-drilling rig in the bay of plenty , a few years ago , which had numerous customers looking to bring up thermal water to save kiwifruit from frost . that's relevant , if trivial !!! that link of yours is irrelevant trivia . please don't waste my time . this website , except for you , is looking to highlight interesting mysteries , and cut into areas where others are too timid to go . google up Plato's epistles , and disquisition , go from there , and above all , please don't be boring
Relevance? You want to enforce relevance on MNZ? That's ironic, coming fr.. ... How many irrelevant ... ... ...?
This topic is about
smashdracs wrote:
... can our Government assure us that NO WEATHER MODIFICATION TECHNOLOGIES are in use or operation in New Zealand airspace?
If not, are they going to move to ensure that this doesn't ever happen here?
We are identifying which of all the weather modification technologies in use in New Zealand we should be concerned about when we ask for this assurance. The relevance of hail cannons to New Zealand politics is that this technology is not one of those we need to be concerned about because it is ineffective in modifying the weather.
OK, there's a weather modification technology that I wasn't aware of; using geothermal water for frost protection. Are there any more?
I've been quite willing to "cut into areas where others are too timid to go".
See "Don't go there, Hector..." in the last paragraph of
https://www.mysteriousnewzealand.co.nz/forums/viewtopic.php?p=3751#3751 24 Sep 2006
and picked up later "on behalf of those who [are] not afraid" in
https://www.mysteriousnewzealand.co.nz/forums/viewtopic.php?p=4286#4286 on 3 Feb 2007
Of course, that's irrelevant in this post under New Zealand politics, and I apologise to those with delicate sensibilities for that, but I didn't introduce the purpose of this web site and the comparative timidity of it's contributors, did I.
If you find my posts boring you don't have to read them even once, let alone twice, steve.
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 3:43 pm Post Subject:
well, my old friend , i do read your posts , and i try to go through all the links , as well as catching up on all the good work that has been done on this site in the past . i try to be conscientious
i put it to you , that you need to read more of the background information , that is constantly alluded to by most people on this site , who , like you , have a brain , and are capable of "sorting the wheat from the chaff " . until you do this , your selection of links and your assertions will have the flavour of supporting "orthodoxy " , just as the flat earth theory was supported a short while ago , by the murderous minions of an infallible pope. things haven't changed too much , in that respect
steve___________________
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