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[Hector]

I have put up 4 photos in the Gallery. Here are the links.

http://www.mysteriousnewzealand.com/photogallery/displayimage.php?pos=-1503 (1176,1020)
http://www.mysteriousnewzealand.com/photogallery/displayimage.php?pos=-1502 (1330,869)
http://www.mysteriousnewzealand.com/photogallery/displayimage.php?pos=-1501 (1500,558)
http://www.mysteriousnewzealand.com/photogallery/displayimage.php?pos=-1500 (1570,761)

These are the full size, straight off the camera, and unchanged in any way except I have changed the file name.

Each one contains an orb at the pixel location indicated by the file name, and in the list above by the numbers un brackets (from left, from top). They are invisible in the thumb, strip and pre-view versions. You will have to display the image at full size to see them. And you will need to do a screen or window grab or some other trick to download the image to analyse it.

I am no expert with these things, so could someone who has some knowledge and experience have a close look and let us know if these orbects are indistinguishable from those that have appeared in other photos posted in the Gallery and discussed in the forums here and elsewhere. I am disappointed they are quite small in comparison with others, but they DO look spherical and metallic, don't they.

Thanks.

Be careful - this could be a wind-up. But then, maybe not.

[Melody Anderson]

Hector, if you happen to know what these objects are, then your post does not belong in this section, nor do your photographs belong in the UAP category. They will be moved or deleted if this IS a windup.

What's more, I don't think anyone here is an expert in these things. Surely you are capable of making a comparison with other photos in the gallery yourself?

I would suggest that anyone replying to this post exercises caution here before shooting their mouths off....

My personal opinion is that the picture quality and the vagueness/faintness of these possible 'orbs' is insufficient to justify the statement that they look metallic. I notice you have a stuck pixel problem with your images too.

[Deano]

The first pic looked interesting but thats about as far as I'd go. The rest are indiscernible. Not enough resolution Hector. Had you zoomed in on any of the objects things may have been different. What day and where did you take these shots?

[Hector]

I chose to post this in the forum category where there seemed to me the most discussion of orbs.

I didn't suggest there were any orb experts here. I said that I was not an expert, and I asked for comment from anyone who had some knowledge and experience. Yes, I have had a look at other cases of orbs, and these look similar, albeit smaller. They are all fuzzy, faint and vague. That is part of the mystery with them.

I know about the stuck pixel in the centre-right. I will mention it to the owner of the equipment.

I was unable to zoom in on the objects because they were moving too fast.
The photos were taken early afternoon today, near the Carter Observatory.

[Melody Anderson]

[Hector]

Yes, and yes.

[smashdracs]

I have had 2 visual sightings at night over the last 4 nights here in Wellington of extremely fast moving somethings in the sky. Not falling rocks.

There was a spray day 2 days ago where the air down at street level was heavily hazed out, it seemed definately connected to the trails. I have seen that happen before but not everytime there is lines in the sky.

[LukeZen]

Chiming in with this: Last night around 9 o'clock my girlfriend and I both saw a bright and extremely fast light flash by the sky ahead of us. It literally stopped our conversation dead. Way too fast and close to be a shooting star, aeroplane etc.

[secondfield]

Have just recently set up a web cam to veiw the sky in the infrared range, using a spectral filter with a cutoff frequency of 850nm. This means no visible light reaches the lens, just the IR range of the spectrum (al-la Trevor James Constables research). Utilising motion capture software designed for meteor trails and astronomy (see link at the bottom) we can now initiate a 24/7 skywatch programme that may catch anomalous objects / aircraft trails / astonomical events, albeit in lo- res at the moment (1.3meg pixel). Unfortunately the software is not compatible with composite video data, although im sure an equivalent version is out there. The basic idea is to run two webcams in parallel, one monitorig the IR range and the other visible light, both on the motion capture software, and compare images/events. Time lapse photography of aircraft trails springs to mind also.... Anyway, on tuesday night the setup captured several bright lights in the IR range traversing rapidly across the sky above Porirua. Each event (about three of them) lasted 1-2 seconds from camera horizon to horizon. Strangely, they seemed to be evenly spaced apart in the time domain (approx 2.5-3hours bettween event). These could have been anything, but I am illustrating a method of how to capture images for further anlysis. For the rest of the week no more images were captured by the softwarwe The setup requires untold refinement, but if a few of us could get similar setups running, we could network and cover the sky with an ad-hoc monitoring system. Trials need to be conducted with several different brands of webcam, as some image the day sky very poorly. Different configurations of filters / cameras could also be tested. For the budding amateur, a simple IR filter can be constructed from exposed 35mm film negative edges (the black bits). Stack a couple (or a few) up, affix them over your camera lens and hey presto, a simple daylight filter!. You can test its effiency by placing it over your webcam lens and firing a tv remote control (IR) signal into it. You should see a bright light appear on your screen capture image (PC) while everything else remains dark. Some webcams have 'hot mirrors' in them (some dont too) which stop IR from getting to the CCD, so try night enabled webcams for the best results. You can sometimes mod the cams yourself too. A google search will yield untold. Seems these orbs and things (ufo's) seem prevelant on / around trail days. Happy hunting....
Hey smash, hope your skywatch goes well tonight, weather seems sweet for it.... will endevaour to cu upon return. Cheers. 2ndfld.

Software link: (free 10 day trial)

http://www.azcendant.com/

[Hector]

To be clear about the purpose of this topic, in case that is not clear...

I happened to observe some instances of this phemenon, and consequently formed an hypothesis about the nature of them. I set up a controlled photographic experiment to obtain some images. To test the hypothesis I posted the images in the Gallery here and I am now asking for comments about how the results of my experiment compare with other photographs of orbs.

When the results of this test are in and I have given them due consideration, I will reject, modify or confirm the hypothesis.

I suppose, given more time, opportunity and intense application with better quality equipment I could have obtained better images. I may still do that.

This is the scientific method.

[Azimuth]

Hello Hector,

Interesting topic for discussion. Perhaps a few details regarding the images may help i.e.

Make, model & camera details
Shooting format, jpeg of RAW

Full EXIF details, eg

Manufacturer
Model
Orientation
Software
Date and Time
YCbCr Positioning
Compression
x-Resolution
y-Resolution
Resolution Unit
Exposure Time
FNumber
ExposureProgram
Exif Version
Date and Time (original)
Date and Time (digitized)
ComponentsConfiguration
Compressed Bits per Pixel
Exposure Bias
MaxApertureValue
Metering Mode
Flash
Focal Length
Maker Note
FlashPixVersion
Color Space
PixelXDimension
PixelYDimension
File Source
InteroperabilityIndex
InteroperabilityVersion

Tripod or hand held

Also a dust reference image from the same camera would assist. This can be done several ways, here is one method as outlined at the following site:

http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/digital/sensor_cleaning_ii.html

Considering that you saw these “orbs” with your own two eyes I am not suggesting they are sensor dust. However I think I may know where you are going with this and am looking forward to hearing your hypothesis, terrestrial or otherwise :-)

Cheers
Azimuth

[Azimuth]

Ooops,

Hector you might also like to descibe the shooting environment i.e. beach, cotton field or daisy farm and the weather conditions, sun position etc at the time. Were any lens filters used?

Cheers
Azimuth

[Hector]

On Friday evening I posted...

[Azimuth]

Hello Hector,

What I was getting at with the EXIF details, time, date etc etc of your images, how do they stack up with ISS and other satellite orbits?

With regards to satellite tracking have you checked out the J-Track 3-D programe at NASA with over 900 satellites. It can be found at the following link:

http://science.nasa.gov/RealTime/JTrack/3D/JTrack3D.html

Cheers
Azimuth

[Hector]

I know what EXIF data is. Unfortunately I don't have that data. I have no more quantitave data about the photos apart from what I have already given. The time was within a few minutes of 2pm NZST, if that is of importance. I don't think the time of the day is important, except that it's daytime.

I posted the ISS viewing timings because others in this topic are talking about objects or lights moving in the evening or night sky which may have been the ISS. It is quite bright and moves remarkably fast across the sky.

Then there is the IR sky watch project. That sounds very interesting - a third topic in the topic.

Ah, well. One does what one can to keep it clean.

[smashdracs]

I have watch the ISS pass over wellington so Iknow exactly what it looks like. And it didnt appear all that fast moving to me.

[Azimuth]

Hello Hector,

[smashdracs]

LOL, Hector your not just trying to wind us up here are you?

Are you going to pull out yet more unreliable science and claim mystery solved again??
Ive got to admit is fun dismantling your assertions and theories :lol:

[Melody Anderson]

[smashdracs]

At a guess I would say those pics were taken in the Wellington Botanic Gardens (distinctive lamp) probably somewhere near or outside the Meteorological Service building.

I would love to have a tour through that building, any chance you could arange that for me hector?

[elevate]

its interesting to note that the pics 2,3 and 4 have quite noticable white streaks in them, particularily image 4 where the sun is covered, we can see quite clearly some streaks of white cloud like stuff.. it is my assertion that these are particulate matter that is always about in our skies now due to all the spraying over the years and that on cloudless days these can be very noticeable near the sun like we see in pic 4...

[Hector]

Wow! A busy topic, and back on topic, too.

Azimuth said:

[Azimuth]

Hello Hector,

I refer you to my second post in this thread:

[smashdracs]

Dang! It was just a thistle seed....

[img]http://www.mysteriousnewzealand.com/photogallery/displayimage.php?pos=-1280[/img]

[smashdracs]

Gah! another bung post!

Try this...

[smashdracs]

Double Gah!! That pic was meant to have a little blowup of the object inside it...

[Hector]

Yes, you do have to concede that in the case of my photos, those 'orbs' are thistle seeds. I intentionally and on purpose went out and photographed thistle seeds. Of course they are thistle seeds!

C'mon smashdracs? Isn't there the remotest possibility that your orb is a thistle seed. Look at the date of your photo. Summer. It's a fluffy wee seed!

Oh, and before some pedant sees the mistake and has a cheap shot... "queue" should be "cue", as in, "Cue the Pastoral Symphony, Beethoven's 6th".

[Deano]

Yawn!!

Whatever the argument, if there is no detail in the photograph there can only be assumptions [-o< :grey: [-o<

[jay_gee]

[Melody Anderson]

We have a photo taken in mid April in the central North Island containing many, many 'orbs' in the same shot. Does that still count as summer?