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[Night_Owl]

Hey all,

Not sure if this is the correct forum to post this.

This may be absolutely nothing, but it's been niggling at me since I saw it last Friday, so I have to know.

I don't knw much about planes so I'll try to describe it the best I can.

It was very long, with a very large wingspan. Was totally grey in color (not metalic grey, but a mat painted grey) It had absolutely NO markings at all.

Not sure exactly what time it was on Friday last week, but i was some time between 1:30pm to 5:30pm. It was flying from Welly airport.

As I said, may been nothing at all, but I would like to know.

[Hector]

Can you give us a better description of this plane?
For instance:
Where was it parked? on the terminal building side, or on the Rongatai side near George Bolt St?
How many engines? 2, 4 or 4 pairs? Did it have propellers? or was it a jet? high bypass, low bypass, or no bypass?
Were the engines sort of embedded in the wing or suspended on pylons below the wing?
Did the wings attach to the top or bottom of the fuselage? Did the wing tips have winglets?
Were the wings flat, and perpendicular to the fuselage, or were they swept up (or down?) and back? (or forward??)
Was the tailplane attached at the top of the tailfin, or more conventionally at the bottom, at the end of the fuselage?
Were there any external antennae or aerials that you could see?
Did the wings have external fuel pods attached to pylons under the wings?
What was the main undercarriage like? Two sets of wheels (of 2 or 4?, doubles?) or a whole row of 6 or 8 singles or doubles on each side of the lower fuselage?
Was the fuselage more or less the same diameter all along, or did the underside of the rear slope up as if there were cargo loading doors or a folded up ramp there?

Some distinguishing features would be helpful to identify the type.

... and welcome to the forum, Night_Owl. If you want mysteries solved, you've come to the right place.

[Night_Owl]

Great questions Hector, but I'm affraid I can't answer any of them accurately as I only have my memory to rely on...and at my age, it's not very reliable.

However I can say that it was a jet (I would have noticed/remembered props)

I only saw it flying (not at the airport) very low across the sky.

It looked very regal, very long indeed (longer maybe than a 747), and very slender.

My first thought's where that it was some kind of Diplomatic plane or such. But what struck me as odd the most was the lack of any visible markings.

I'm very sorry that I can't answer your questions with any satisfactory degree of accuracy.

[Hector]

A-huh; a regal jet. That certainly narrows down the field, Night_Owl.

I think it was a Boeing 757-200. It was probably one of two operated by RNZAF. The one you saw was possibly the un-marked one they use for clandestine activity like the 3 times a week SATS (Scheduled AirForce Transport Service) run. You possibly saw the return run from Christchurch to Wellington then Ohakea and Whenuapai. It is a free service for transporting staff around the country.

See this link for a photo and technical data.
http://www.airforce.mil.nz/about-us/aircraft/boeing.htm

[Night_Owl]

Wow!! the unmarked version of that plane could certainly be the one I saw.

How you managed to get it from my poor discription I gave is amazing. Well done indeed Mr hector <clap>

That happens to be the same model that supposidly hit the pentegon too huh...OMG!!...it's a monster, how could it not have be seen in the famous 5 frames huh?...or the ground eye witness reports??

When I saw it passing low in the sky, it looked so incredibly large!! (guess it may look smaller flying past you at approx 500mph or so, a cupple of meters of the ground though ah?) :lol:

btw: Thanks for your response and welcome hector. It seems this is indeed the place to get the answers :)

[Hector]

You're welcome, Night_Owl.

Regal -> royal -> the only 'royal' organisation flying planes in NZ is RNZAF. The only jets they fly are their two B757-200 frames. I'm not sure if one has no insignia and they don't use them for clandestine flights. The SATS information is true, though.

(somewhat off topic)
I can add this to my list of solved mysteries, but I am still waiting for a confirmation of my 'grey line' solution. It's been so long now I think we can accept that they are shadows and say "solved' to that one too. Comments anyone?

[info4]

[Night_Owl]

Spoke to my brother in law today, who is a real airoplane nut.

I simply said: "Hey John, have you ever seen a grey unmarked 757-200?"

He replied imediately: "Yep, the airforce has two, that's what they use to fly helen around in sometimes..."

btw: It was definately unmarked (no RNZAF insignia, or any other.) I'm sure of that.

So I'm thinking surely an umarked plane would render itself more conspicuous simply by being unmarked. After all, it attracted my attention and I'm not even into planes.

So what's the point of no markings? unless maybe you had TWO umarked planes.......then no one would know which was which.....Just a thought.

[ruapaka]

Hello all

I have been reading this thread (this diverse thread) and feel an urge to relay some info regarding a large grey unmarked plane and Hectors resolve that it be a military plane on specific transport missions (or to that effect). Hector, you have given a number of on--route destinations

[info4]

Hi ruapaka

And welcome

I went out to Whenuapai yesterday and took some photos of the 757 that the RNZAF has.



I would like to say that people who say "large grey unmarked plane" need to be a LOT surer about what they are looking at.

Details like size, number of engines, tail type etc are most needed (photos would be better).

I feel at times it gets a bit over the top and the implication is that the airforce has a bunch of unmarked grey planes flying around and up to no good. Well I guess they could have but we need more proof.

The aircraft (757) have low visibility markings as do most airforce aircraft. In this case as you will see it is a "large grey airplane".

Is this the one or not I don’t know but more detail in the identification process is necessary I believe.

[Night_Owl]

http://www.nzdf.mil.nz/news/media-releases/20060823-757diow.htm
That isn't the plane I saw. That one's very clearly marked.

Also, the one I saw was "Mat" Grey. NO markings what so ever....I'm VERY sure of that.

It certainly could be the same model though.

Like I said, I'm no "plane" buff so I couldn't comment on the structure of the plane any more than I have already. I'm very sorry.

I was just hoping that someone had seen it when I did. (Someone who knows planes) And could, shed some light for me.

Trust me, if you see it, you'll know. Because it will have NO(none, nada, zilch) markings, and it is "Mat" (flat mat, NOT metalic, NOT Shiney or reflective) grey.

Get the picture?

Couldn't be many Totally umarked, Flat mat grey planes about, surely?

[Night_Owl]

Oh, I'm very sorry, my lovely misses has informed me that I have spelt "Mat" incorrectly. Apparently it has 2 "t's" (MATT).

Perhaps that why I'm being shown "metalic" planes.

Oh well, I've never been a good speller. Have always had 20/20 vision though.

[info4]

[info4]

Also here is something relevant as well

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4352302a13.html

Basically the articles says

[smashdracs]

Ruapaka said

[Hector]

Oh? I missed that! (12 Feb last year! - the shame of it.) I sincerely apologise to ruapaka for not noticing the question and addressing it. Perhaps the last paragraph in the post https://www.mysteriousnewzealand.co.nz/forums/viewtopic.php?p=5889#5889 is a reference to this oversight. It all comes clear now. I was quite worried about that, but reluctant to ask for clarification in public.

If either smashdracs or ruapaka would re-post the question in the continually re-bumped "About those black beams..." topic, with the photo, I will answer it... or maybe it will answer itself.

Incidentally, the good folks at Chemtrail Central seem to think that the beams (black lines) are shadows. See Chemtrail Central FAQs; "What is the deal with the black lines?" near the bottom.

[smashdracs]

I will leave that for Ruapaka.

Cher!