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[smashdracs]

I was working all afternoon and evening but was able to see briefly what was happening outside.
The sky above Wellington was lined with persistant trails from horizon to horizon at my ground view. They were spreading and unfortunately I was unable on this occasion to photograph them for you.
It was however a stunning sight and definately one of the heaviest Chemtrail operations I have seen.
It appeared to me that they were all sprayed within a 2 hour time frame and I counted at least 10 huge trails between 2.30 pm and 3.30 pm.

The sky was a mess and the trails persited until dark.

[Hector]

Did you have a look at the temperature sounding data for Paraparaumu to see if contrails were possible that day? I did, and they were. No surprise really because you saw contrails. And so did I, and I took a photo but I'm unable to upload it to this site with either of the web browsers I have installed here (IE7 and Firefox).

Here are the contrail layers on Saturday for the 3 engine types:
(Based on the Mark L. Schrader paper "Calculations of Aircraft Contrail Formation Critical Temperatures" in Journal of Applied Meteorology, Dec 1997 p1725.
http://ams.allenpress.com/amsonline/?request=get-document&issn=1520-0450&volume=036&issue=12&page=1725
This work is discussed and referred to in other threads:
https://www.mysteriousnewzealand.co.nz/forums/viewtopic.php?t=642
https://www.mysteriousnewzealand.co.nz/forums/viewtopic.php?t=647
https://www.mysteriousnewzealand.co.nz/forums/viewtopic.php?t=634 )

Heights are given as flight level (F320 means 32000 feet pressure altitude), and metres.
At Midday on Saturday 27 Jan 2007 (based on the midday Paraparaumu sounding) the contrail layers were as follows:
(For all 3 engine types, here were 3 layers, but I have only given the lowest one here, Contrail layer 1.)

High bypass: Contrail factor = 0.0390 g/kg/K
Contrail layer 1:
Bottom: F331 10254m Wind: 240/39kt
Top: F387 11961m Wind: 260/33kt

Low bypass: Contrail factor = 0.0340 g/kg/K
Contrail layer 1:
Bottom: F341 10546m Wind: 240/42kt
Top: F383 11841m Wind: 244/39kt

Non bypass: Contrail factor = 0.0300 g/kg/K
Contrail layer 1:
Bottom: F348 10753m Wind: 240/41kt
Top: F379 11725m Wind: 244/39kt

All these layers contain the normal cruise altitudes for commercial passenger jet aircraft.

Did you check on Flight Explorer to find the altitude and flight numbers? Apparently you can re-run historical data, but I will leave that to those who have the software, license and skills. Remember; collaboration. (Those tracks look like Christchurch to Auckland on the excellent flight route map.)
Did you check the airport web sites for arrival times?

Anyway, smashdracs, those were contrails - jet engines doing what they normally do, and should do, in those conditions.

There were several (4 or 5, but not as many as 10) contrails all neatly parallel to each other. Several flights traversed the same track, but during the interval between their passing, the previous contrail has been moved east by the wind... east-northeast actually since the wind was from the west-southwest up there.

We went through all this in December when we all agreed that what you saw were legit passenger aircraft. Why would last Saturday be any different?

It's just like deja vu, all over again.

[Deano]

Need to see those photos guys!!!

[Hector]

OK, here it is. I registered at Flickr and uploaded it to there. Stll can't transfer it from there to the gallery here... "Cannot open write file". Permissions?

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/150/373095122_c3602b2ea8.jpg?v=0

There is one contrail in the bottom right, one older one behind the tree in the bottom left, and an even older one, fairly spread out in the top left... it's pretty smudgy and if you didn't know it started as a contrail you would say, "It's just cirrus." And it is that, too.

There is another one there taken when we were discussing cloud forms. I took it as much for the local humor as the odd looking cloud (which does not render well on my cell phone camera, and Flickr messes with the size).

[Hector]

My Flikr space is at
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hectorjec/
to see all the photos I have put there (2).

An excellent web resource, Flickr is.

http://www.cellphonehacks.com/viewforum.php?f=1 is not!

[smashdracs]

Ive tracked down some video of the sky on this particular day shot from Wellington City, elevate shot it and he says he will upload it shortly, he says it shows they sky was pretty messy from the trails and there were more than 4 when he filmed.

Also I remember seeing a trail that had another trail beginning just of the side and then continuing to run into it from south to north, I also remeber seeing a trail laid out east that got another sprayed through it before it had spread far. Those 2 comined as they spread, I witnessed this from the window where I worked.

[elevate]

ive uploaded some of the raw footage to google video to give u guys an idea of the sunset period, i counted about 7 trails in total, 2 very spread out by then and not so noticable, they are the two bands of spreadout stuff u can see at top and theres about 4 obvious trails that had been there for ages, plus two more been laid at sunset and also low in the horizon, id say a fairly low altitude over the hills out west, its harder to see the new trail been laid but u can see a new trail forming just above the hill line...
its worth noting that it was a very nice day and evening and id say the chemtrails where soley responsible for the dirty orange sunset clearly visable in this video plus in the pics im posting up shortly on here...

http://www.freewebs.com/nztruthgroup/sunsettrails.htm

[Deano]

Thanks Elevate those pics show definate signs of a chemtrail op. As they say a picture is worth a thousand words.

[smashdracs]

Thanks for posting those elevate, everyone can see that the sky at sunset was lined with trails, I saw it ined with trails between 2.30 and 3.30, the sun is setting about 9-9.30pm and as hector said they were moving east after being sprayed.

Just one question hector, are you deliberately playing down the activity that happened on this day or were you just not watchig for long?

[Hector]

I saw the first contrail from the city at about 12:30pm. I left town at 3:35pm on the train, and when I got to Heretaunga at about 4:25pm there were about 5 in the sky. I took the photo at about 5pm.

There are contrails in the sky today. And not surprising; here is the contrail analysis for the Paraparaumu sounding last night.
Paraparaumu Aerodrome amMidnight 4 Feb 2007
Low bypass: Contrail factor = 0.0340 g/kg/K
Contrail layer 1:
Bottom: F312 9676m Wind: 322/ 9kt
Top: F462 14180m Wind: 257/21kt
High bypass: Contrail factor = 0.0390 g/kg/K
Contrail layer 1:
Bottom: F305 9472m Wind: 314/ 8kt
Top: F491 15072m Wind: 252/20kt
There will be contrails, and lots of them! Not only that, I would expect these to be persistent due to the high moisture content at that level.

So, if that prediction turns out good, it CANNOT be a spray operation. Think about it. How the hell would I know what the 'sprayers' are doing today?

[Hector]

Belated thanks to elevate for the photos. Very good.

But, sunsets have always ben in red/orange/brown tones. Nothing to do with alleged spraying. The contrails just provide something for the reddish light to illuminate for your viewing pleasure.

[Hector]

Have you seen the NOAA satellite image on the LandCare site?

http://satellite.landcareresearch.co.nz/noaa-db/2007/jan/pd27017.jpg

Yes, huge contrail day, it was!

Those are contrails, dude, along the regular high altitude flight routes. Look at them! That's no 'CEMTRAIL OPERATION'.

Now, do you believe? (wind-up - no need to rant)

[Carus]

Great display of photos elevate! :) Chemtrails/contrails aside, the ones at sunset are very beautiful.

It is interesting what Hector says about more moisture being in the air to cause more incidents of contrails. But there is still the WHY.

Why is the government silent on it?
And if the majority of them are only contrails, what about Betty Rowe?
The health problems of Betty and others in the Marlborough region?
Her dying goats and poisoned land?
The silence from the Green Party when questioned by her?

[smashdracs]

I just wanted to make the point that there were many more than 4-5 trails on that day, they were forming right up to and possibly after sunset.
You made it sound as if I had exagerated.

[Hector]

No problem. I stand corrected. I saw only 4 or 5.

Carus:

[Carus]

The WHY is why the government silence. Thousands of people around the world have expressed concern at the occurrence of chemtrails/contrails in the sky but there has been silence from government. Don’t you think this is even a little unusual? If people are writing to the government looking for answers they are probably worried about their welfare. Would a government not therefore be interested in alleviating any unnecessary concerns?

The Green Party should be interested because it could be an environmental concern. Why, when Betty phoned and spoke to a Green’s staff member, did she get this:

[smashdracs]

I lived in Marlborough for a while near Betty.
On one heavy spray day the sky rained some sort of fibreous fluff, it came down in clumps and fell everywhere, it wasnt any sort of plant material and I observed it twinkling in the sunlight as it fell, heaps and heaps of it as chemtrails were sprayed out overhead. I did collect some of it and took photos but without a macro setting on my cam they didnt turn out crystal clear, all the same I will be looking for them to post now.

Another point, about 2000 I was living living in Christchurch and began to notice that some days I had an inexplicable "metallic taste" in my mouth. I honestly couldnt explain it and it did bug me.

Now I have managed to pinpoint why it happens. I have spent numerous whole days sitting upon hilltops watching and photographing the trails over the last 3-4 years and on the heavy days when the spray falls out and creates a smog like effect over the city are the exact days that the metallic taste occurs in my mouth, the longer I spent outdoors exposing myself to it the worse it is. This is not delusion.
I have heard other people describe these symptoms to me and without telling them about the spray ops I quietly new within myself that it was probably aluminium oxide and barium from the air causing it. The samples from Bettys farm add weight to this idea.

The fibreous fallout I described above has been collected around the world during these events, (although I must say I have only seen it once) and have been tested and it was found that they contained Aluminium Oxide, Barium and pathogenic materials. It just isnt a fantasy or collective delusion manifesting worldwide.

I am willing to conceed that not every trail seen in they sky is evidence of a covert spraying operation by shadowy forces.
I will say however that I firmly believe that chemtrails are real and someone is up to no good in our sky on a global scale.

[elevate]

heres the video footage from that day 27th jan 07 sunset showing some new trails also.. and lots of spread out shite all over the place..

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3333831419313197641&hl=en

cheers, jas

[Hector]

Carus said:

[Melody Anderson]

[Hector]

CAA, like any government organisation is subject the the Official Information Act, so, yes.

[Hector]

I'm quite interested in this fibrous stuff that is reported to fall from the sky from time to time. I have never seen it. In some regions of the Internet it's called "Angel hair". Some (for instance, Betty's sample) has been analysed and found to contain aluminium and barium in small quantities. Betty's sample had: Barium, 62 parts per million (mg/kg), and Aluminium, 2400 parts per million. That accounts for 0.25% of the sample. What was the other 99.75% composed of? Water, long-chain hydrocarbon polymers, proteins, hydro-silicon chains? Inquiring minds need to know.

What other product in the whole pharmacology-industrial complex has barium and aluminium in that proportion, 62:2400 or 1 to 38.7? I don't know. There might be something interesting that has that characteristic.

[Deano]

[Hector]

See the website called TWM (Takitimu Weather Modification) http://twm.co.nz/index.html
discussed in the post at https://www.mysteriousnewzealand.co.nz/forums/viewtopic.php?t=723

[smashdracs]

I woke up to another hot sunny day today but the sky is a complete mess overhead.
Lots of trails spread out, and heaps of dispersed ones over the whole sky.