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Hector · Joined: 20 Jul 2006 Posts: 266 Location: Wellington

I have just finished "The Hollow Men", the book about the National Party by Nicky Hager. Ignore the media hype; it is easy to read, and a real eye-opener about the inner workings of the National Party from the entry of Don Brash into Parliament.

Some New Zealand voters may be gullible and easily swayed one way or another by dog-whistling or exposure of scams and dodgy dealing, but I think it is just as well that the last election went against National and postponed (hopefully cancelled) a return to the market madness of the late 80s and early 90s. Bad the present Government may be, it is better than a return to more of what that would have meant.

One thing I would like to know more about is the so called e-mail from the Exclusive Brethren with the 'attachment' that is reproduced in the Appendix. That document is unlike any printed e-mail I have sever seen. It may be a genuine communication of some kind, but it is not an e-mail message.

smashdracs · Joined: 23 Nov 2005 Posts: 1002 Location: Wellington NZ

Well dont get too excited about the demise of Brash.
John Key knew everything and was as much a part of it as "Don The Con", a John Key National Government will be everybit the wrecking ball that Don "the other banker" Brash"s Govt would have been.

John Key is a liar.

He was second in charge of the party and held the highest portfolio ie finance yet he claims pure ignorance of what Don Brash was up to :!: If that were true then surely this guy is completely unsuitable for the job :!: He would have to be an absolutely ignorant moron.

Deano · Joined: 22 Mar 2005 Posts: 741

Hector is there anything more in the hollow men book which hasnt already been in the mainstream media?. What I mean is are there any other bits of information of a scandalous nature to yet come out?

Hector · Joined: 20 Jul 2006 Posts: 266 Location: Wellington

Yes, John Key has been made statements that sound like has hasn't read the book and so he doesn't know that we (who have read the book, or from other sources) know something of what was happening. How does he think he can continue the charade?

There were 6000 in the print run so it shouldn't be too hard to locate a copy. May be there will be a second edition. The preface to the Second Edition would be very interesting, given the aftermath of releasing the first.

Beg, borrow or steal a copy and read it for your self. Don't skim it like the media did, looking for juicy scandal. Read it carefully - cover to cover. There are numerous footnotes - read them as you go. Make up your own mind.

Mr Brash said he hoped that the Police would read it and start charging people with things. Well, I think the book contains more of dodgy deals by him and his co-conspirators than any worries about alleged 'stolen' N.P. e-mails and other documents. That should be the least of his concerns.

I certainly hope he has aplogised to BRT, the construction, wine and spirits, property, tobacco, transport, insurance and other business sectors, as well as a biggish number of individual doners to his campaign. The shame must now be unbearable. No wonder he... all of them (except John Key) have vanished!

satanzhand · Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:25 pm Post Subject: go! nicky

I have just started reading the book on your recommendation.

So far my mind has been blown nearly on all the 100 or so pages i have read so far. I can't believe how dirty and under handed the whole deal is......I like conspircy theories and enjoy reading/viewing them but this just made me feel sick. Especially since I voted for the buggers, I must admit I have complained about labour before but atleast they try to do as they say they want to. If I do vote for anyone again (i'm doubtful that i'll bother) it'll probably be the greens atleast then i'll know what i'm getting (kind of) even though i don't agree with some of there issues.

P.S. The book also exposes the very tight ties National has with Act who are just as under handed (I have first hand experience in this regard) which was news to me .

satanzhand · Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:01 pm Post Subject:

I finished reading hollow men over the weekend.

It's well worth reading, if your going to vote. It's a real eye opener

Melody Anderson · Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:37 pm Post Subject:

Excellent book and congrats to Nicki Hager. I also think it was a very smart move to hold book some info until after the book's release in anticipation of the denials.

While Don Brash was undoubtedly a casualty of the book, despite his protestations that this was not the case, I do think that the media has let John Key off totally scott free on the Brethren issue. I can't help feeling they have their reasons for this - Key must have been in the know (right up to the neck in my opinion, given the fact that he was even filmed meeting with them).

And another thing. Don Brash insists that the purposes of his meetings with the Brethren were simply to allow them to tell him that they were praying for him and the National party. I doubt if it's that easy to get an audience with guys like Brash on such flimsy contexts.

satanzhand · Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 7:11 pm Post Subject:

John Key is totally the same as Brash just in slightly different clothing. And they all new what was going on I had some dealing with national and act around that time for advertising and everyone new what was going on...except the general public.

Unless you are the top elite National has no interest in helping you, they only want your vote.

P.S. What happened to the Greens they have gone all politian! no more radical life freeing policy anymore.

satanzhand · Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 12:14 am Post Subject:

I heard on the news tonight that the goverment was trying to rush through some changes to election funding to try and stop the "hollow men" thing happening again.