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Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 6:30 pm Post Subject: Introduction - My Story
First and foremost, John and Melody let me congratulate you both on the wonderful job you have done thus far creating the mysteriousnewzealand site. I believe this site will become a fantastic resource both as a reporting point and a research tool particularly in respect to CT activity within New Zealand.
Secondly, for the time and effort you both spent seeking me out and arranging for us to meet in person. I must say from a personal level it was very therapeutic to speak with others who have an understanding and deep concern about what is happening right here in New Zealand in respect of alleged aerosol (Chem Trail) spraying operations. This is a subject I rarely speak of outside my immediate family through fear of being labelled as mentally imbalanced. I was very impressed with your knowledge, research and photographic documentation on CT activity within New Zealand. I found you both to be very professional and credible people who have genuine concerns about our environment and what is happening in our skies. I look forward to our next meeting.
My story:
I now live in Northland after having spent many years in Auckland. I have lived and worked overseas for extended periods. I have spent approximately 25 years in the service of my country (Military/ NZ Police). I love my country and appreciate that we live in one of the most beautiful places on earth. I consider myself to be a well balanced individual with a reasonable degree of intelligence. I am reasonably conservative in my thinking and have generally treated subjects that fit within the realms of “strange phenomena ” with a healthy degree of scepticism. I treated the first articles I read about these aerosol spraying operations in the USA and the various associated conspiracy theories with similar scepticism.
Although I had seen white lines in the sky left by passing jets on a number of occasions, like many New Zealanders I gave them little thought thinking they were a normal bi- product of air traffic.
During 2002 my wife and I travelled to Nelson for a holiday. One very beautiful cloudless day my attention was drawn to the sky by an extremely long “contrail” being left by a high flying jet. To my amazement I noted a dark straight line that I can only describe as shadow like in appearance extending from the front of the aircraft for a considerable distance ahead. I personally found this odd, a beautiful azure sky, the sun angle and plane position made it impossible to be a shadow cast from the “contrail”. The plane soon disappeared but the trail remained for some hours. I was truly fascinated by this spectacle and put the black line observation down as some form of optical illusion. My wife and another couple with us witnessed this also and thought it odd but weren’t really interested.
Since that time I have read a vast amount about the contrail/Chem Trail subject on the internet. From serious research being conducted by qualified independent people in the USA it would seem there is little doubt that aerosol spraying operation over the USA and other NATO countries are very real. Is it also happening in New Zealand?
From what I have learned I do understand that “contrails” are a normal consequence of the thermodynamics of high altitude jet flight given the appropriate set of conditions. I also understand that these “contrails” should dissipate in a reasonably short period of time.
Over the last couple of years I have documented by way of digital photography many “contrails” here in Northland that do not conform to stated patterns of behaviour as I understand them to be. Namely, these trails are persistent by nature, they form into artificial, dirty and unnatural looking cirrus like cloud cover that does not dissipate for hours. That blue skies are quickly transformed into a hazy soup. That crystal clear night skies are quickly becoming more the exception than the rule.
My own observations and intuition tell me that not all is well in the skies above New Zealand, of that there is no doubt in my opinion.
There are a number of things that do not sit well with me for instance; improvements in jet engines technology and fuel improvements mean cleaner burning more fuel efficient engines. So why then are some “contrails” persisting for many hours?
Why has the persistence of these “contrails” only come about in the last few years. What has changed, jet fuel additives, the environment, what?
There seems to be a disproportionate amount of large jet traffic over Whangarei and parts of Northland on a daily basis. I do not have a good knowledge of National/International aircraft routes or vectoring, perhaps someone out there has and would care to explain the situation! Northland and Whangarei Airports only cater for smaller turbo prop aircraft. I know this is also happening in other regions as well, Nelson for instance.
Jets travelling at the same apparent altitude minutes apart, one forms no contrail at all, the other produces a massive non dissipating plume. I have observed this on a number of occasions.
Some persistent CTs are consistently laid along the same vectors.
If indeed there is a covert aerosol spraying operation being conducted in New Zealand, the question has to be asked; by whom, how, from where, what is being sprayed and for what reason/s?
If there is no such operation then we are left with a scenario of “blatant pollution?” Is this pollution causing a reduction in sunlight hours as it is in the US and Europe? What effect is this having on our environment and health? Is this pollution related to increased incidences of asthma and respiratory ailments in New Zealand of recent years?
Some other observations that I have made and photographed include high cloud formations that look unnatural and appear to form in the same part of the sky. I have heard these clouds referred to as “HAARP” clouds. HAARP is a real US research program based in Alaska, much has been written about it. You can visit their website at:
Anomalous objects which appear on photographs near persistent CTs. These anomalies defy reasonable explanations. Here is one example that I captured on 8 Jan 2005. You can read the analysis of this image at the link benneath.
Any comments or ideas as to the nature of these anomalies are certainly welcome.
It is my intention to post photos here of current CTs in my area as they occur. I hope others throughout the country will also report current activity. Perhaps with sufficient data lodged here a clearer picture will emerge which may prove or disprove a definite and deliberate aerosol spraying operation is or is not occurring in New Zealand.
I now have a less than sceptical view on this subject.
Joined: 01 Apr 2005
Posts: 43
Location: Levin, New Zealand
Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 10:25 am Post Subject: chemtrails
First, I must introduce myself and thank John and Melody for allowing me to join this group.
I reside in Levin, my name is Pamela.
I found your introductory post most interesting Azimuth, in particular the 'shadow' effect you observed ahead of the plane.
I observed a similar phenomenon some months ago, and thought I was having a visual problem.
The plane I saw appeared to have a dark line extending from its nose in the direction in which it was flying. It looked as though a line was being drawn in the sky with a large lead pencil against a ruler. It was very straight, and the nose of the plane followed exactly the path the line followed. A white trail extended from the plane and remained for a little over an hour.
I mentioned it to a friend shortly after observing it, and she told me of chemtrail activity where she lives. I had heard nothing of this prior to this discussion, so my observation was definitely in no way 'power of suggestion'.
I believe there is something occuring in our skies and atmosphere which is having an effect on the health of many of us, and the changes in weather patterns in recent years is indisputable.
We have observed changes in weeds recently also. I would be interested to know if others have observed any such changes. We are experiencing a huge increase in the amount of deadly nightshade, a weed we only saw in very small quantities previously. I wonder if there is any possibility that environmental changes could contribute to a change of this kind.
It is wonderful to have a forum such as this to discuss these things, as like so many, I am reluctant to raise the subject in most circles - and it is only through sharing of observation and ideas that mysteries can be solved.
Joined: 05 Nov 2003
Posts: 814
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 10:45 am Post Subject:
Welcome Pamela, it will be great to have your participation.
What you saw is most definitely not suggestion. We have observed this phenomenon on two occasions and photographed it. We have also heard of a number of other people who have also observed this, including someone in Christchurch, who confirmed this when we showed him our photograph. And indeed what Azimuth describes sounds like the same thing.
The first time we saw it we could hardly believe it. It was coming up over the horizon behind some hills. All we could see was this weird long dark shadow rising from the ground. Then as we watched the plane emerged laying a chemtrail behind it.
At first opportunity we got onto the internet and googled "grey beam" + chemtrails. We found many pages describing the exact same thing all around the world - always associated with the chemtrails. Some people also call it a 'black beam' or 'black line'. It is a very weird thing to see.
You can see other photographs of the beams we saw on the same day here in the gallery:
We know it cannot be a shadow as when we observed it the sun was not in the correct position for a shadow to be cast in this way. Our opinion is that it is some kind of unannounced technology. The planes seem to fly along it. Although if you think about it, the beam must be huge and many kilometres in length to be seen so clearly from the ground and given the relative size the planes are...
Joined: 23 Nov 2005
Posts: 1002
Location: Wellington NZ
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 1:23 am Post Subject:
Azimuth said
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During 2002 my wife and I travelled to Nelson for a holiday. One very beautiful cloudless day my attention was drawn to the sky by an extremely long “contrail” being left by a high flying jet. To my amazement I noted a dark straight line that I can only describe as shadow like in appearance extending from the front of the aircraft for a considerable distance ahead. I personally found this odd, a beautiful azure sky, the sun angle and plane position made it impossible to be a shadow cast from the “contrail”. The plane soon disappeared but the trail remained for some hours. I was truly fascinated by this spectacle and put the black line observation down as some form of optical illusion. My wife and another couple with us witnessed this also and thought it odd but weren’t really interested.
Nelson/Marlborough is very definately the area to see these things.
Does anyone want to suggest why all this activity happens there?
My recent trip there didnt dissapoint from a chemtrail hunters perspective, the sky was riddled with lines and choked with the effects of the trails spreading.
WHY DOWN THERE?????
Joined: 05 Nov 2003
Posts: 814
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:31 am Post Subject:
smashdracs wrote:
WHY DOWN THERE?????
AND, if these things were just shadows, we should be seeing them all around New Zealand. We should be seeing them here in Auckland for example. In fact, if they were shadows, they should be a relatively common sight...
I've only ever heard of them being seen in NZ in areas connected with much contrail and chemtrail activity...