Mysteries, Chemtrails, Aerosols :: Mysterious NZ

[smashdracs]

Wellington has been getting sky-slammed for several weeks now. Very heavy chemtrail activity just like last year at the same time.

Ive been photographing lots of the activity but Ive been having a great deal of trouble being able to simply post in this forum, my computer simply wont load the pages properly. Ive finally managed to upload 1 photo today and it looks like Im able to post today!!!

A few differences in this years activity compared to last year.

There has been a great deal more spraying directly over the city this year.

There has been lots of spraying to the east of the city.

They rarely used to spray overhead in previous years, and until now Ive never seen the activity to the east.
By the way, we have high quality video of flyovers that DO NOT MATCH any of the flight paths according to the chart availiable here!

I also have photos of jets flying just seconds apart in tandem leaving heavy chemtrails very close together that morphed into each other creating huge thick chemclouds.

Quite a few of my recent photos have anomolous objects in them, 5 in particular appear to be the same rod shaped type of craft over the city at different times and places!!!

I have nearly completed a full 700mb CD of my chemtrail photos to give to Jonathan Eisen at Uncensored Magazine, hopefully he will publish some of them.

[Deano]

Sounds like you've got some interesting footage. Please post those pics of the anomalous objects as soon as you can. You may want to think about putting some of the vids on a cd and posting it to John and Melody as I did with mine. The quality of footage gets a bit downsized but it still comes out pretty good.

Are any of the anomalous objects laying down chemtrails? Are the objects in the general vicinity when operations are in progress or are they in your pics after the op is finished?

[smashdracs]

Ive been working on this research with a couple of other members of this forum who are here in Wellington. Secondfield and elevate have been taking all the video, Im taking still shots.

I will upload those pics to photobucket and link them from here. They really need to be cut and enlarged to highlight the objects more. In one day I got 3 different pics of the same cigar shaped craft.

The objects are all amongst the chemtrail activity but I havent identified anything unusual laying down trails.

One of the most stunning pics is definately 2 jets flying in tandem just seconds apart. This just doesnt make sense and must surely be illegal for commercial jet aircraft. I have a short series of pics showing this event.

[info4]

Hi smashdracs

[smashdracs]

Yep, no more than 10 seconds from my ground view. Im going to resize the pics now and will get them uploaded.

Ive tried to see if they are both at the exact same altitude by gazing at the photos. It appears to me that they may have been at different altitudes but only slightly.

Anyway, you need to see the photos... so.....

[smashdracs]

Great, Ive just looked right through my comp to get those pics and it appears That Ive lost them :oops:


I showed them to elevate the same day I took them as....... he agreed that they were flying way to close.

[info4]

:oops: Damn

[smashdracs]

Whew! Ive found those photos!

Im going to attempt to put them on the web again today.

[smashdracs]

[smashdracs]

[smashdracs]

These next 2 pics are interesting. The first trail left behind is persistant, and a minute or 2 later the second jet flies through leaving a normal contrail that doesnt persist.

[Lew Archer]

That's probably got a lot to do with the engines on either aircraft or throttle adjustments.


Pretty normal.

[smashdracs]

So your saying that There is no such thing as a chemtrail.
Its just a matter of engine type or throttle settings?
One jet may leave a trail that persists for hours and another can fly through minutes later with a different engine type or throttle setting and Hey Presto you got an ordinary condensation trail that dissipates rapidly beside the persistant one.....

[smashdracs]

If this is the case, all we need to do is ban these engine types and get pilots to set their throttles correctly and we wont see our skies being totally wasted by dozens of thick brownish looking trails that spread over the entire sky hazing it out.

I think Lew just solved this crisis for us folks :idea: :lol:

[smashdracs]

Holy crap Lew your a freakin genius buddy!

To think that all those times Ive watched a clear bue sky get totally polluted by dozens of spreading persistant trails, and all it was, was a bunch of pilots with their throttles set incorrectly on the day.

[smashdracs]

And to think that the sky in this photo would have been blue if the right engines and throttle settings were being used, check out all that haze in the sky Lew!

[Lew Archer]

Thanks for the attention but I don't warrant 30000 posts on the matter all saying the same thing. :P


I'll get to your points in the morning, ok? Don't post too much until I get back, you might snow me under! :D

[smashdracs]

[Hector]

Nice photos, smashdracs. A collective sigh of relief swept through the community here when you announced that you had found them. Much appreciated.

Did you have a look at the temperature sounding data for Paraparaumu to see if contrails were possible on those days? I did, and they were. No surprise really because, look, you saw contrails and took photos.
Here are the contrail layers on those days for 3 engine types:
(Based on the Mark L. Schrader paper "Calculations of Aircraft Contrail Formation Critical Temperatures" in
Journal of Applied Meteorology, Dec 1997 p1725.
http://ams.allenpress.com/amsonline/?request=get-document&issn=1520-0450&volume=036&issue=12&page=1725
This work is discussed and referred to in other threads:
https://www.mysteriousnewzealand.co.nz/forums/viewtopic.php?t=642
https://www.mysteriousnewzealand.co.nz/forums/viewtopic.php?t=647
https://www.mysteriousnewzealand.co.nz/forums/viewtopic.php?t=634 )
Heights are given as flight level (F320 means 32000 feet pressure altitude), and CF means contrail factor (see the Schrader paper).
At Midday on Thursday 14 Dec, the contrail layers were as follows:
No bypass engines (CF 0.0300 g/kg/K): F321 to F407
Low bypass engines (CF 0.0340 g/kg/K): F314 to F412 and F427 to F438
High bypass engines (CF 0.0390 g/kg/K): F307 to F444
At Midday on Friday 15 Dec, the contrail layers were as follows:
No bypass engines (CF 0.0300 g/kg/K): F335 to F427
Low bypass engines (CF 0.0340 g/kg/K): F329 to F482 and F536 to F549
High bypass engines (CF 0.0390 g/kg/K): F322 to F574

The lower of these layers contain the normal cruise altitudes for commercial passenger jet aircraft.

Did you check on Flight Explorer to find the altitude and flight numbers? (Those tracks look like Rotorua to Christchurch on the excellent flight route map.) Did you check the airport web sites for arrival times? It's two weeks too late for that part of your research now.

Anyway, smashdracs, these photos are of contrails - jet engines doing what they normally do, and should do, in those conditions.

The two planes more or less together are not on the same track - they are horizontally separated, and probably as well as by altitude; it's hard to tell. The supposed difference in altitude possibly explains the difference in appearance of the contrails.

What you have called 'haze' in the photos on 16 Feb 2006 is, in my opinion, cirrus. Did you have a look at the satellite images on the LandCare site? I did: see
http://satellite.landcareresearch.co.nz/noaa/?history=2006/feb/md17026.txt+lp and
http://satellite.landcareresearch.co.nz/noaa-db/2006/feb/md17026.jpg for the full size version.
Cirrus over Wellington is not obvious in the satellite image, but there is some to the north (the cyan colours). It is so thin looking in the photo, I would be surprised if it could be detected by the satellite.

The throttle settings explanation suggested by Lew Archer is also very plausible. To maintain altitude and a certain air speed with differently loaded air plains of the same type will require slightly different throttle settings (not necessarily "wrong" settings), and therefore different water concentration in the exhaust, and slightly different contrail factor which affects the characteristics of the contrail formed.

[smashdracs]

I have a series of pics taken throughout the day of the "cirrus" that was in actual fact completely from the "contrails"

Ive spent entire days watching this happen over the last 4 years.
Ive seen mornings without any cloud visible anywhere, next thing 20, 30 40 or even more jets will pass over and the sky can become completely covered with the spreading 'whatever it is' that these jets leave behind in their trails.

Unfortunately due to dialup I cant post so many photos.

You can only take my word for it, that I have personally seen the sky changed from horizon to horizon by nothing more than trails left behind by jets.

Im yet to be convinced that what I have witnessed is normal.


I might just repeat part of what Ive already posted.....

"I have seen mornings without a single cloud in the sky, Ive watched as jets began to fly overhead leaving long trails, that spread thickly across the sky eventually covering it from horizon to horizon from my vantage point (not my current residence) I watched from my hilltop position, saw no cirrus or cumulus or any other type of cloud drift in, just these trails left by jets. By sunset the entire sky was a murky brown haze soley from the trails"


I have taken may photos of this.

Those above photos show only chem/contrails and the odd wee puff of cumulus cloud. How do I know? I saw it all happening.

[smashdracs]

Actually, your more than welcome to come over for lunch or dinner one day soon and I will drive you mad with my photo collection. Youll appreciate them even as a sceptic of the chemtrail conspiracy.

I should really get more organised and add the data from the above sites youve given to help the whole research project along. :)

[info4]

Hi Smashdracs


Were these aircraft travelling South-North and what time of the day was it?

[smashdracs]

South-North at approx 12.30pm, definately between 12 and 1pm.

[Hector]

Thanks for your kind invitation, smashdracs; I will decline as I have plenty of boring cirrus photos of my own. The picnic idea sounds good; what about Breaker Bay for a venue? Hill-top observation points are nearby if the need arrises to get high.

That contrails can spread to cover large areas is well known, well understood and the subject of research by NASA and groups in Europe. Cirrus can spread and invade the sky without the presence of contrails. In fact, there is a specific cirrus cloud reporting code for it. Here are a few links about that, and plenty of photos to add to your collection.

UK Met Office: CH4 Cirrus progressively invading the sky
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/publications/clouds/ch4/

US NOAA NWS, Key West, FL office: High Clouds
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/key/HTML/Jim_Clouds/CloudTypes/high.html
See Type 4

weather.com: Glossary
http://www.weather.com/glossary/c.html
see the entry for CIRROSTRATUS

About the research into the spreading out of contrails to form areas of cirrus, Dr Patrick Minnis (who works for Atmospheric Sciences, NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA USA) seems to be a leading researcher. He is concerned with the contribution made by contrails (and the subsequent cirrus cloud) to climate change; specifically rising air temperature in the lower atmosphere.

Here are some links to his work, as well as some work in Europe.
CONTRAILS AND CIRRUS CLOUDS
http://www.techtransfer.berkeley.edu/aviation05downloads/Minnis.pdf
A PDF of presentation slides, probably already seen by some members here.

NASA Langley Cloud and Radiation Research: Minnis Group
Dr Minnis's "home" page http://www-pm.larc.nasa.gov/
See especially "Contrails not Chemtrails" http://www-pm.larc.nasa.gov/newcontrail.html
also "Contrail Forecast" http://www-pm.larc.nasa.gov/sass/contrail_forecast/contrail_prediction.html
(I have said before: if you can forecast the formation of contrails, then it's not a spraying operation.)

Particles and Cirrus Clouds (PAZI-2)
http://www.pa.op.dlr.de/pazi/
First paragraph of the "Overview"
"PAZI-2 is a national project funded by DLR (German Aerospace Center) and supported by the Helmholtz-Gemeinschaft Deutscher Forschungszentren (HGF). It is a vital part of the Institute of Atmospheric Physics' (IPA) contribution to DLRs aviation and space program."
The rest of the page continues with the overview - an excellent discussion of how jet exhaust induces cloud to form where it would not if there were no jet exhaust.

Aircraft induced contrail cirrus over Europe
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/search/expand?pub=infobike://schweiz/mz/2005/00000014/00000004/art00012
Authors: Mannstein, Hermann; Schumann, Ulrich
Source: Meteorologische Zeitschrift, Volume 14, Number 4, August 2005, pp. 549-554(6)
(abstract only, and here it is)
"Condensation trails (contrails) and aircraft induced cirrus are nowadays a common feature at the mid latitude skies. Previously the impact of aircraft induced cirrus changes has been roughly estimated from observed decadal trends in cirrus cover but the direct attribution of observed cirrus changes to changes in aviation activity remains uncertain. In this paper the amount of additional cirrus induced from spreading contrails in humid air is estimated from the direct correlation between observed cirrus cover derived with suitable methods from METEOSAT data and aviation flight density reported by EUROCONTROL at high spatial and temporal resolution from June 22 to July 27, 1998 and September 27 to October 21, 2000. The results indicate that the aircraft induced cirrus cover over Europe is about ten times larger than that of linear contrails in the same region. Radiative forcing from the additional cirrus may be more than 10 times higher than that of linear contrails and aviation induced CO2 increases."

About the brown colour - I don't need to explain (and give 20 references) about why the sky takes on shades of red when the sun is low in the sky, and gradually into grey as night comes on.

[info4]

Smashdracs says

[Lew Archer]

Good post.

The 1-2mins separation is a civil aviation requirement.

[smashdracs]

We can only ponder how they ended up so close together over Wellington.

Wouldnt the first jet get a very decent head start on the second jet if it took off 1-2 minutes before?

Could the second jet have caught up to the first by the time they got over Wellington?

They were both leaving persistant contrails when directly over the city, so could we rule out engine and throttle differences?


:roll: who bloody knows???

[info4]

Hi Smashdracs again

I guess that is what I'm trying to say as well

[smashdracs]

One of the trails ceased to persist after the jets had flown over the harbour, but prior to that they were both persisting. Ive got the photos here, but Im blowed if im going to put them here right now, this thread takes ages to download since I put thos pics up....

[info4]

Man you need to get jetstream. But I understand what you mean about dial up as I work on customers' machines from time to time who still have dialup and is it ssslllllloooooowwwwwwww