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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:47 pm Post Subject: Flight Vector Map and Satellite Images
The Flight vector Map is already becoming a great tool for applying to satellite images, and it can be interesting to apply it to archival images. Bearing in mind that wind can shift the trails a bit, it is very precise in identifying which vector is associated with a particular trail. Of course it can also be easily seen when a contrail on a sat image seems out of place and is not related to a normal flight vector. Take the example in the animation below:
The multiple parallel trails that stretch from over Taranaki to about Cape Campbell, do not fit any of the vectors on the map and this can quite clearly be seen in the animation. In no way would wind drift account for this. Our own feelings based on actual multiple observations, mainly in the Marlborough region, are that parallel trails are very suspicious, not consistent with normal commercial aircraft activity and indicative of some sort of covert operation.
It is quite interesting how the four main trails seen in the image are almost exactly the same distance apart, especially measured across the middle of the formation. I could say much more about this particular example, however check it out for yourself. The sat image from which the crop was made is, in its entirety, a very interesting one, being from a period when there was an incredible amount of smoke from Australian bush fires around New Zealand.
The file for this NASA image can be downloaded from this page:
The 9200 x 7200 JPEG (7.6MB) is the best one to download to your hard drive (right click, save as etc) as it can be blown up very large.
Note also that there's a trail approaching (or leaving) the West Coast of the South Island just North of Cape Foulwind that allowing for wind drift looks like a Melbourne to Palmerston North flight. You can clearly see a kink in the trail where the aircraft has changed course when it reached a waypoint.
Although we know that the image was captured on the 21st January 2003, the exact time is unknown, however it would seem to be a short time before this next image, from the Landcare satellite image archive of the same day and taken at 1.59 PM:
All trails seem to have drifted to the East, or perhaps are displaced due to the different technologies involved in rendering images from different satellites.
It is quite interesting how the four main trails seen in the image are almost exactly the same distance apart, especially measured across the middle of the formation.
Hi John
This is of particular interest to me.
I have been observing flights on and off for about 3 months now with Flight Explorer and these trails are highly suspect.
It has been my observation that, around this area of the lower north island there is a lot of traffic. But there is a consistency to the flight paths that these commercial aircraft fly.
As you have stated in previous posts the commercial aircraft have very strict flight paths they must observe and these trails are not consistent with that.
Maybe one or two could be but not (what looks like) could be at least 5 or 6 trails.
The more I look at it and try to make them fit the more they just doesn't seem to fit.
My only conclusion is along the lines you have mentioned above.
I have found Flight Explorer an incredibly good resource for observing these flight paths and when compared to the Myst NZ map it is clearly of the highest standard with accuracy.
When it comes to those parallel lines what gets me is I have observed, when 2 or more aircraft are heading to the same destination and have come from the same airport they fly the SAME flight path.
Not one parallel to the other .
THE SAME FLIGHT PATH. :!:
This alone makes these lines suspect :!:
My other issue is what would be the destination :?:
Joined: 05 Nov 2003
Posts: 387
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:58 pm Post Subject:
Hi Info4,
Thanks for your comments. Yes, parallel contrails are not normal. A ground observer perhaps would not recognise the type of pattern seen in this example, especially when it is amongst Persistent Contrails from normal flights.
The 7.6MB example of this image (at http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/view_rec.php?id=4485) is highly detailed and can be enlarged very big on a monitor. It is possible with close examination to see that there could be between five and eight separate trails in this pattern. Can't be too sure as the trails may have spread and merged. And they have spread a lot, from my calculations, some are at least eight to ten kilometres wide.
Another point with regard to this image is that there are few other PTs to be seen, except the (presumed) Melbourne to Palmerston North example and some doubtful possibles leaving the coast just South of Hawkes Bay. I assume that these particular examples exist due to the high altitude at which they were created. Other flights, normal commercial ones, were no doubt at too low an altitude to create visible and persistent contrails. You will know from your own observations on Flight Explorer that there would have been numerous flights in the skies over New Zealand at the time...
This brings me to a question for you. From your three months of constant use of Flight Explorer, what are the range of flight levels you see over New Zealand? What is the highest you have seen an aircraft? And what do you know, from official sources, to be the guidelines for flight altitude with regard to both domestic and international flights? It would probably be best to start a new thread with your answer. Hope you can help here. :)
