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Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 5:23 pm Post Subject: MenB Vaccine correspondence with MOH
Hi heres the first letter I received and the follow up letter. Exactly the response I expected sadly. Interesting just how tightly controlled the whole process is...
Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:22 am Post Subject: MOH in bed with the NWO
Yea those tossers. I will contact Campbell Live just in case.
Richard Langston from Campbell Live contacted me a few months back when we were screening LoosechangeII for free in town. He was really excited about what we were doing and wanted to bring cameras to our next screening and interview people after etc... Anyway it got "pulled" (just like building 7) when the executives in auckland told him it was too "hot" or something like that. he was pretty pissed off, he said to me that this often happens with the really juicy stories. Makes u wonder what else never made it to the telly. it seems the Campbell Live crew are keen to get their teeth into something good but they dont have the final say. He was very dissapointed on the phone when he called me back... Id say this would be the same, but you never know...
Has anyone seen this on the mainstream news? This is scandalous and shocking for all those parents whose children have been vaccinated.
Two reports on Scoop are saying the Meningococcal vaccine has failed international tests.
Quote:
French and Norwegian officials have condemned a meningococcal vaccine, injected into countless New Zealand children.
The Norwegian Institute of Public Health has been criticized by Norwegian and French pharmaceutical controls for their production of the MenBvac vaccine exported to France.
This same vaccine was used in the New Zealand MeNZB trials. Considered bio-identical to the final Italian manufactured product, thousands of doses were also used in the public roll out of the vaccine.
French and Norwegian auditors, basing their assessment on European Commission guidelines found numerous breaches of ‘good manufacturing process.’ Breaches included substandard vaccine levels and unacceptable production, control and dispatch
Norway conducted an experimental test in 1988 with 180,000 children using a vaccine that was later used to taylor the one used in NZ. It was concluded from the tests in Norway that there were too many serious side effects resulting from the vaccine for it to be added to their vaccination program. A documentary has just screened in Norway about the NZ case and following are some of the statements made:
Quote:
Hans Cato Guldberg, professor of medicine, was a member of a committee that was to evaluate side effects during the experiment. He was worried.
"Some time after the experiment was over, I came to a conclusion that there were serious side effects to this vaccine. And, the number was relatively high. I was worried. At the same time, I felt that project leaders were trying to tone down the danger of vaccine, said Guldberg.
Results of the vaccine trial were compiled 1991. Vaccine was providing protection in 57% of cases. That was not enough to add it to the Norwegian vaccination program. As meningococcus b epidemic was dying out, vaccine was never used in Norway the way it was meant.
And on the NZ case:
Quote:
Usually, vaccine is supposed to pass different tests before it is approved for mass use on population. But this vaccine was tested in a record short time. Phase III trials were totally dropped. Rare side effects are often not discovered before the phase III trials. Phase III trials are randomized, placebo controlled trials. Instead of testing this new vaccine through a new phase III trial, safety data and affectivity data were just taken from the Norwegian vaccine and assumed valid for the New Zealand vaccine. Because safety data of this vaccine was incomplete, the vaccine was not officially approved on New Zealand. Instead, mass vaccination of 1.1 million New Zealand kids started with a temporary approval.
Breach of the international research ethics
In New Zealand, the Norwegian vaccine was used as guarantee that the New Zealand vaccine is safe and effective. It was the Norwegian Institute of Public Health that was the guarantor.
"First: Norwegian vaccine was not safe! Second, it is a serious overstatement to say that vaccine is effective. Third: it is against international regulations and against research ethics to start to vaccinate small children on New Zealand with a vaccine that was tested on a different group of people, Norwegian school kids. To say it nice, they enlisted hundreds of thousands of small kids into a gigantic experiment," says Jan Helge Solbakk, professor in medical ethics."
Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:46 am Post Subject: press
it has reached the mainstream press now, apparently on the front page of the sunday times, i havnt seen it yet but its definately made the mainstream now so it cant be ignored, wonder when the telly will buckle and cover it. They are probably debating behind closed doors how they will "spin" it now in fact...
National Radio this morning featured an interview with a Professor of Pediatrics from a University in Oslo who became concerned when he heard of 4 previously healthy teenagers from the same school who developed ME almost immediately after participating in a Men B programme. He then became suspicious when hearing of 2 others in different parts of Norway. After chairing a seminar on ME and taking part in a TV programme he was contacted by 120 others and at the present time has 160 people who have reported having flu like symptoms and developing ME within 10 days of taking the vaccine. In 2003 he sent an email to a colleague in New Zealand outlining his concerns and this was sent on to the authorities who were dealing with the vaccine distribution. Apart from a polite response nothing was done. He followed up later stating it was not enough to passively wait for an outcome but to enquire and question if people had this symptom or that result. Again, nothing was done.
Although no evidence has been found linking ME to the vaccine he feels much more study should be undertaken.
Dr. Jane O'Halloran, Director of the NZ Vaccine programme then gave a carefully detailed justification of why this link has not been proven and when asked if anything was being done proactively in NZ to investigate the link said they were monitoring what was happening in Norway, but had no notification of chronic fatigue in their data system.
The lead story on TV1 News last night showed the shocking case of an 8yr old girl who had developed a rare internal bleeding condition and constant tiredness after 2 shots of the Men. B vaccine.
Meantime the Government is still defending the Men B programme even after ACC has accepted 33 claims for adverse reactions to the jab. Pete Hodgson admitted during Parliament's question time yesterday that he was unaware of the ACC claims, when he said last week thaat there were no significant adverse events associated with the MenB vaccine. Both he and Ruth Dyson, ACC Minister, quickly moved to label Tony Ryall's line of questioning as "scaremongering".
It has been very hard for parents who have doubts but want to do the best for their child to make the decision to vaccinate. Maybe these outcomes will now help these parents.
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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:38 am Post Subject:
The vaccination issue in general is questionable, I have given my kids their shots and the first 3 shots of menB but not the extra booster as i have wised up since then.
The first thing i noticed was they became very sick for about 1 1/2 weeks after the shot and were in a lot of pain. The second thing is they have since had nearly all the things they were meant to be protected from shortly after having the shots, which according to the doctor/s is nothing to worry about (except why did we do the vaccinations in the first place), I might add they havent as yet got menB but i wouldn't have expected them to ever get it anyway.
The problem with this type of thing is the medical and political people in charge are very one sided maybe not because they are evil but because thats what it takes to get where they are. I don't even think the gov is trying to pull one over on everyone i just think there dogma's about vaccination are so pro vaccinating they just cant see the facts against it!
I am pissed off all the same we were kind of bullied into giving our kids the shots though, although I've had them all myself(- menB, TB) including having a live sample of small poks cut and planeted under my skin while visiting an exotic country and i'm pretty bullet proof health wise.
Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:13 am Post Subject: letter
Hi all
I sent this email below to Michael Laws on Radiolive as he was discussing the MenB and also Dioxin.
He was quite one sided and u could tell by his tone that he was one of the die-hard pro-vaccine people and nothing was gona sway him, he read out a lot of emails but not this one.. typical really
he said the usual BS excuses... that theres no proven link with side effects etc... it was hard to listen to his rubbish.. heres the letter..
Hi Michael
RadioLive
I am an independent researcher. I have been studying the MenB rollout since its origonal inception. I recently wrote to MOH under the official info act for data on side effects of the trials done with MenB. I was given a stock and standard reply saying that the data will not be made available to the public due to it been commercially sensitive information. This is the excuse the MOH always use when they want to keep something secret. it was the same with Dioxin studies done. The raw data is been totally withheld, both with the Dioxin studies and with the MenB trials... the most important info that would show us the true side effects are kept secret. It is always the same with the MOH. You should read the articles on scoop by Ron Law, Risk policy analyst and get up to speed on this!
I can tell you now that it is a statistical FACT that there is more chance of developing a permanent neurological condition or illness (like polio for example or encephalitis -brain swelling, which has been proven to be a rare side effect of vaccines) than the chance of developing any permanet injury from meningitis.
let me repeat that... it is a statistical fact that those who dont get vaccinated have less chance of developing any permanet damage even if they do contract mennigitis than those that get vaccinated have of developing permanent damage from the vaccine.
Take the 30 or so cases of vaccine injury payouts from ACC... so what if there were a million or so doses... think of it this way, MOH say that the menB vaccine will save lives, this amounts to approx 2-3 lives per year at best, thats all. But if that means that dozens of children per year, possibly as many as a hundred develop permanet injury from the vaccines then where is the benifit?
Its a fact that the vast majority of those who get menningitis will make a full recovery with no permanent injury. This is not the case with the menB vaccine. Encephalitis (brain swelling) is actually quite a common side effect of vaccines. The MOH would have you belive that is not the case. They have been deceptive and used illegal practices throughout this rollout. See scoop reports for the details. Remember that common side effects MOH report include crying and irritiablilty and swelling at the site... including back arching and screaming... screaming is considered a minor reaction! However these reactions are the result of mild brain swelling, which is a mild form of encephalitis... this means that many kids who have 'mild' reactions are actually having mild encephalitis (brain swelling) and this will result in subtle and often permanent brain damage, there are so many forms of mild encephalitis that produce subtle effects that the parents pick up on that are vaery hard to get a payout from ACC for. But the importance of these reactions is hugely downplayed by the MOH. These kids may have learning difficulties, develop slower, have speach problems and lower IQ for the rest of their lives. This vaccine contains formaldehyde and other toxins that a childs brain is not designed to cope with !
I know this is a touchy subject and I feel that yourself and a majority of kiwis would rather look the other way and deny any possiblity that the MenB vacc is doing more harm than good, but let me tell you it is doing more harm than good and there is statistics to back up this claim but the MOH will not release that information to anyone!
Its the old saying, if youve got nothing to hide then why hide it?
The way the MOH has behaved quite frankly is disgusting! they have denyed researchers the info we should be entitled to. They have set up a monitoring system that bypasses the older better system of reporting by setting up their own committe that filters any info on side effects before they are released. This new system was set up just before the rollout specifically to hide embarrasing side effects. NZ used to have one of the most highly respected independent saftely monitoring boards in the world. This is no longer the case. I heard you mention conspiracy theories, why would you say that? You are downplaying a hugely important story here. The MenB rollout was a scam from the start. The menningitis outbreak had peaked and was in decline, thats why they rolled out the vaccine so fast so that they could use the decline as a excuse to say the vaccine is working. It is assumed to be 80% effective but that is not even proven yet... the MOH is using very poor logic and its disgusting that a professional health provider is using emotive lies to sell a vaccine that doesnt work and causes neurological damage to far more children than it could ever save, not forgetting the 1000s of less obvious permanent damages that will never be reported or throughly checked. Take the Dioxin story as an example of MOH denial and secrecy. They are not working in the best interests of the public. We have to stop thinking of the MOH as somehow different to other govt departments. If you were in MOH and you discovered that MenB was a failure, how would you begin to address this in the public eye? imagine the pressure from the drug companies and executives within MOh to keep a lid on it untill they can decide what they want to tell the public. MenB is a failure and the story behind it is disgusting and I hope you realise this too once you have looked into it with an OPEN mind.
Thank you for your time.
Thanks for your informative history of the MenB vaccine as outlined in your email to Michael Laws. If only these facts were made public to the people having to make the decision to vaccinate their children :!: :!: . You can see why the MenB programme was rushed through, and most people felt the pressure from the intense advertising in the media and co-opting the schools to get in on the act, and as Satanzhand felt, even bullied into having their children vaccinated.
BTW, I think it's asking a bit much of Michael Laws to have an OPEN mind :)
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:48 pm Post Subject:
A vaccine against meningitis that was developed and subsequently abandoned in Norway, was revived and exported to New Zealand, where it was used on over a million kids in a highly experimental campaign, says a recent Norwegian TV report.
"To say it nice, they enlisted hundreds of thousands of small kids into a gigantic experiment." - Jan Helge Solbakk, professor in medical ethics
At the time of the New Zealand mass vaccination experiment, I reported in several articles about how important facts were disregarded and how statistics were used in a very loose way by the Authorities in New Zealand, to justify the campaign.
No doubt the very 'cavalier' attitude about the dangers inherent in vaccinations which shows up in this case, is a result of the almost religious adherence of health authorities to the vacccine dogma: Injecting a bacterium or virus and some toxic adjuvant substances into the bodies of kids is harmless and will protect them from illness. The dogma disregards other, serious effects of vaccinations that tend to appear later in life. Autism, which has become an epidemic of the vaccinated, is only one example. Allergies and other immune system malfunctions, virtually unknown before vaccinations, are increasingly common in this highly medicated world of ours.
The Norwegian documentary, 'The Vaccine Experiment - In The Service of Good' has sparked an outcry against the vaccine trial in Norway, according to Ron Law, a Risk & Policy Analyst from New Zealand.
The documentary presents compelling evidence of serious adverse effects resulting from the 'parent' Norwegian vaccine and New Zealand's experimental MeNZB vaccine. The film reveals a remarkable trail of lies and deceit by meningococcal vaccine officials and researchers in Norway and New Zealand.
Connie Barr, a Norwegian TV personality who made 'enlistment' films for the original vaccine trial, hosts the film. It outlines her change of heart as the evidence of medical misadventure began to build up.
Ms Barr says the films she made in the 80's to attract youth to participate in the vaccine experiment had a very strong effect. "The more I looked into the material, the clearer I saw this was an ugly story."
The film features leading medical experts in Norway who heavily criticize the Norwegian Institute of Public Health for withholding information on the dangers of the vaccine and the fact that those who did get sick had to fight for years to get compensation.
"The Norwegian situation is so similar to New Zealand's it is scary," says Ron Law.
The Norwegian parent vaccine is considered bio-identical to the MeNZB vaccine – to the extent that Norwegian bridging data was used in lieu of phase three trials.
Norwegian manufactured vaccine was also used in the majority of the trials in New Zealand and an unspecified amount was used in the final rollout.
Researcher/Writer Barbara Sumner Burstyn comments New Zealand seems to be in a state of denial at the extent of the fraud surrounding the development and use of the vaccine. "From the highest levels of government to media and the medical profession, we seem to be desperate to believe everything is fine with this vaccine, despite copious evidence to the contrary."
The documentary reveals that New Zealand officials were warned about serious long-term adverse effects following the meningococcal vaccine in 2003. Officials systematically chose to keep quiet about those serious adverse effects.
"There has clearly been a cover-up by Ministry of Health officials and advisors that warrants a formal inquiry," says Ron Law.
Here is a summary of the Norwegian program:
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Controversial Vaccine Exported
By Connie Barr, Karen Aarre and Kjell Persen
As Norwegian authorities were paying compensation to vaccine victims, the same vaccine was exported to New Zealand and used on small kids. To say it nice, they enlisted hundreds of thousands of small kids into a gigantic experiment, says Jan Helge Solbakk, professor in medical ethics.
1988 started the largest experiment ever conducted on the Norwegian population. 180,000 school teenagers were used as test subjects in the largest Norwegian vaccine trial ever. It lasted from 1988 to 1991.
The Norwegian Institute for Public Health was testing its new vaccine against meningococcus b, a dangerous bacterium that kills 30 people every year in Norway.
The information brochure given to teenagers states: "it is unlikely to expect serious complications", while the information submitted to the Norwegian Parliament states: "serious side effects can not be excluded" during the experiment.
Jan Helge Solbakk, professor of medical ethics, was working on the ethical side of the trial. He claims: "project leaders knew that trial subjects may suffer serious complications during the trial, statistically speaking."
"Trial subjects were not properly informed about the possibility of serious side effects during the trial. We encouraged the project leaders, during an open meeting, to do it in a better way, informative way" says Solbakk to Dokument 2 TV.
512 side effects were reported during the vaccine trial. 14 were considered serious. 5 school kids developed serious neurological diseases.
During the second trial, involving 53,000 kids, 10 serious side effects were reported, while 1 child developed serious neurological disease.
Worried about the side effects
Hans Cato Guldberg, professor of medicine, was a member of a committee that was to evaluate side effects during the experiment. He was worried.
"Some time after the experiment was over, I came to a conclusion that there were serious side effects to this vaccine. And, the number was relatively high. I was worried. At the same time, I felt that project leaders were trying to tone down the danger of vaccine," said Guldberg.
Results of the vaccine trial were compiled 1991. The vaccine was providing protection in 57% of cases. That was not enough to add it to the Norwegian vaccination program. As the meningococcus b epidemic was dying out, the vaccine was never used in Norway the way it was meant to be.
After the request from the World Health Organization (WHO), the vaccine was exported to New Zealand, during 2001. Using the same technology and the same methodology from the 1980s, researchers from the Norwegian Institute of Public Health tailored a new vaccine for New Zealand. The multinational pharmaceutical company Chiron was awarded rights to mass produce the vaccine.
Usually, a vaccine is supposed to pass different tests before it is approved for mass use on the population. But, this vaccine was tested in record time. Phase III trials were completely dropped. Rare side effects are often not discovered before the phase III trials. Phase III trials are randomized, placebo controlled trials. Instead of testing this new vaccine through a new phase III trial, safety data and affectivity data were just taken from the Norwegian vaccine and assumed valid for the New Zealand vaccine. Because safety data of this vaccine were incomplete, the vaccine was not officially approved in New Zealand. Instead, mass vaccination of 1.1 million New Zealand kids started with a temporary approval.
Breach of the international research ethics
In New Zealand, the Norwegian vaccine was used as a guaranty that the New Zealand vaccine is safe and effective. It was the Norwegian Institute of Public Health that was the guarantor.
"First: Norwegian vaccine was not safe! Second, it is a serious overstatement to say that vaccine is effective. Third: it is against international regulations and against research ethics to start to vaccinate small children on New Zealand with a vaccine that was tested on a different group of people, Norwegian school kids. To say it nice, they enlisted hundreds of thousands of small kids into a gigantic experiment," says Jan Helge Solbakk, professor in medical ethics.
Quote: "Some time after the experiment was over, I came to the conclusion that there were serious side effects to this vaccine. And, the number was relatively high. I was worried. At the same time, I felt that project leaders were trying to tone down the danger of the vaccine."
Hans Cato Guldberg, professor of medicine, was a member of a committee that was to evaluate side effects during the experiment.
Yes, that'll be interesting. It's putting the MOH in the spotlight even more, especially with the latest developments regarding the Dioxin poisening coming out.
Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:45 am Post Subject: awesome documentary
It was an awesome story on Sunday at 7:30pm last night, no wonder the MOH was so worried about it. Dr Jane O'Halloran is showed up for the liar and deciever that she is ! heads should roll over this but the govt will lie and decieve all the way just as they did and still are with Dioxin. I beleive Jane knew full well the potential dangers of MenB but doesnt give a stuff about anyone in reality. She is one of the many psychopaths in this world in powerfull positions. No conscience or true caring, emotionless and unrepentant. Just doing her job... decieve lie and coverup !
