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[Azimuth]

In 1993 Steven Greer, M.D. began Project Disclosure, an effort that was designed to identify firsthand military and government witnesses to UFO events and projects, as well as other evidence to be used in a public disclosure.

[Tim Rose]

Informative stuff Azimuth.

It can be quite challenging for our modern sensitivities to watch these things because they completely fly in the face of many of our cherished scientific and Judeo-Christian based belief systems. Just one instance of UFO activity being truthful means that we are witnessing the collapse of the foundations of the 'western' knowledge system. Which educational facilities impart a complete understanding of this universe in which we are obviously not alone?

Interestingly enough the cosmology of this universe as presented in the 5,000 year old Vedic texts from India (yes I have a bias), in particular the Srimad Bhagavatam, equips the reader with a broader understanding of the entities who we share this universe with and their different gradations. Perhaps as the general public becomes more aware of the fact that us, in the West, do not have a complete knowledge system to get a grip on some of the fundamental issues facing our existence here (not just UFO's), those with inquisitive minds will seek an alternative approach to gain a better understanding.

Tim Rose

[Carus]

Hi Tim,

Can you give us some information on these other entities..are there any web sites that talk about it? Have you had any direct personal experience yourself?

I have read various web sites, books and talked to people about other entities in the universe. It's a very interesting subject, particularly when one considers that this planet has perhaps been seeded. I feel our history is much older and diverse than what is presented by the traditional history books etc. Also that it is much more meaningful because of this possible seeding.

Regards,
Carus

[Tim Rose]

Hi Carus

The Vedic version of the gradations of other entities and the locations of their residences in this universe is quite detailed, but basically it is relative to the level of consciousness manifested by them. Higher grade entities, or Devas, neither rely on or are interested in advanced forms of gross technology. They exist on a refined subtle platform, as are their residential spheres, so they are not generally perceived by humans. The accounts of UFO/alien interactions given over the last 50 or so years seem to be consistent with entities possesing sophisticated forms of gross material technology. We can conclude therefore that they are not considered to be of a high grade in the context of Vedic cosmology.

As for my own experience I believe that I saw what I considered a UFO when I was in Motueka in 1996. It was one of those classic flying tin cans that many other people have reported seeing over the last few decades :grey:

I have some acquaintances, Dr Richard Thompson and Michael Cremo who have written books on the UFO/alien issue and the connection to human antiquity. Here are some links to their material.

http://alienidentities.com/ai_ie4.html

Here are some links to Michael Cremos research into some of the cover ups of our human history. I would agree that we are not being given the definite truth regarding our human origins in our contemporary educational institutions.

www.forbiddenarcheology.com
www.humandevolution.com

Hope this is of use to you

Tim Rose

[Carus]

Having watched the two hour presentation on The Disclosure Project and read some of the information at the web sites linked by Tim, I feel it's so good to have access to this sort information through the Internet now. A demonstration of many people speaking the truth is very refreshing.

We have so much information available to us it can seem confusing and overwhelming. However it makes one look at the world with different eyes and can make us question those everyday things that are presented through the media etc.

How does one reconcile a statement by one of the witnesses on The Disclosure Project that 57 alien types have been documented that are humanoid? Then where do the higher grade entities, that are not generally perceived by us on Earth, fit in as mentioned by Tim?

It seems there are some very sincere people out there wanting to make a difference by being prepared to let the public know what is going on.

On another slant, but connected with military secrecy, is an interview with the wife of a military man who talks about the manipulation used on people within government and military forces to keep the truth hidden and pursue an agenda. See point 5 on the web page below for two 20 minute downloadable videos called Desparate Wives. Just a note - there are several sound clips on this page that start up automatically so you will need to stop them one by one.

http://www.red-ice.net/specialreports/sexconnection.html

Carus

[Tim Rose]

Here is a link to an interesting article written by Dr Greer about the alien issue.

http://www.disclosureproject.org/disclosureserves.htm

Here is an article by him which looks at the media and their response to the disclosure project being broadcast in 2001.

http://www.disclosureproject.org/mediaplay.htm

I like this idea of his.

[Carus]

Those articles, as listed in the above post are very, very good and worth reading.

Carus

[Tim Rose]

Yeah they are good articles by Dr Greer. It is a difficult situation dealing with the alien issue because of so much disinformation and the general public deliberately being kept uninformed by those in the know, including the media. But it seems that the issue does need research and intelligent deliberation because of its implications for the future well being of the planet.

As Dr Greer states

[lyra]

Carus - I really enjoyed the video at
http://www.red-ice.net/specialreports/sexconnection.html

It was interesting and completely believable. I suppose that in in a world where we believe that the tinged passport of Mohammed Atta was found on the streets of New York and 4 planes were taken over with Stanley knives and its completely acceptable to be fingerprinted and Iris Scanned even when in transit in the states ……... anything is believable….

[Carus]

Hi Lyra,

That's right :-)

It took courage for Kay Griggs to come out and speak about the situation. It would have been interesting to hear more from the interview - apparently it was eight hours long.

Carus

[lyra]

Indeed -
Wont be surprised if she succumbs to suicidal tendencies or a bizarre car crash in the upcoming months... She was naming a lot of names.
A lot of the drug stuff was talked about in the Gemstone file... Hollywood made a film about it (Air America) ...

[Carus]

If you have a search on Google with her name, there seems to be a lot of web sites linking to the interview. So far I've only seen one that rubbishes her.

Carus

[Azimuth]

I have subscribed to Filers Files for some time now, there are many great "UFO sighting and "Mars anomaly" reports on his site. George is a retired USAF Officer who I believe is involved or at least a witness on the Disclosure Project. Filers Files can be found here:

http://www.georgefiler.com

In this mornings “email newsletter” was a very interesting article about a “UFO” seen by Gordon Cooper on one of the Mercury space missions, not only was it seen but it was reportedly tracked by ground radar in Australia. If you visit the linked site at the bottom of the post you can read many more accounts of “UFO” sightings by Astronauts.

I wonder if any of these Astronauts are on the Disclosure Project witness list?

Astronaut Gordon Cooper Saw UFOs

On May 15, 1963, Gordon Cooper launched into space in a Mercury capsule for a 22 orbit journey around the world. During the final orbit, he told the tracking station at Muchea (near Perth Australia) that he could see a glowing, greenish object ahead of him quickly approaching his capsule. The UFO was real and solid, because it was picked up by Muchea's tracking radar. Cooper's sighting was reported by the National Broadcast Company, which was covering the flight step by step; but when Cooper landed, reporters were told that they would not be allowed to question him about the UFO sighting.

And according to a taped interview by J. L. Ferrando, Major Cooper said:
"For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists in astronautics. I can now reveal that every day, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us. And there are thousands of witness reports and a quantity of documents to prove this, but nobody wants to make them public. Why? Because authority is afraid that people may think of God knows what kind of horrible invaders.

United Nations, NY - Major Gordon Cooper spoke at the U.N. stating "I believe that these extra-terrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets""...all Apollo and Gemini flights were followed, both at a distance and sometimes also quite closely, by space vehicles of extraterrestrial origin - flying saucers, or UFOs, if you want to call them by that name. Every time it occurred, the astronauts informed Mission Control, who then ordered absolute silence."

Thanks to:
http://www.world-action.org/astronauts.html

Pretty interesting stuff from highly trained and credible people eh.

Keep Looking Up (You never know what you might see :shock: )

Azimuth

[Tim Rose]

A-ha. Dr Greer also bases his understanding about alien life forms using the Vedic texts as a cosmological standard as does Michael Cremo and Dr Richard Thompson. Here is an e-mail reply that I got back from the CSETI organisation established by Dr Greer.

[Tim Rose]

Looks like George W Bush even recognises the need for alternative energy systems, other than fossil fuels, for the future generations of this planet.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/04/27/bush.energy/index.html

Maybe someone should tell him about the UFO reversed engineered anti- gravitational propulsion systems that the illegal US shadow government is hiding from the rest of the world. (See link below)

http://www.disclosureproject.org/PDF-Documents/EPWoutofboxBrief.pdf

He probably will not want to hear about it because alternative power generation systems means his little 'on the side' oil business will lose millions of dollars

Tim Rose

[Master Fred]

I think this video is from the disclosure project...
Its verry long but also verry interesting....

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=125359819100282680

[satanzhand]

Aleister Crowley has methods for contacting aliens, why don't you just research him and do his little dance and met them yourself? Sounded like more fun to me.