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wijjit
Joined: 03 Jan 2006
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Location: Wellington New Zealand
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 11:28 pm Post Subject: jet planes fly in the troposphere. |
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Could all of this be grouped under one idea?.. the thought that all these chem trails are just, us, travelling...
How much energy does it take to move one mass from one place to another?
Take one person and times it by the amount of people who want to get from one place to the next.
Add the airline system and bingo we have chem trails...
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Hieronymous Bosch
Joined: 09 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 2:59 pm Post Subject: |
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wijit,
whatcha smokin' bro? must be some serious sh@$!
before your next post, have a look here:
http://www.mysteriousnewzealand.co.nz/resources/chemtrails.html
also, read a few of the forum threads to get a background on the subject.
please do us all a favour and read a little about the phenomenon so that when you post a discussion thread, it actually makes sense. |
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smashdracs
Joined: 23 Nov 2005
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Location: Wellington NZ
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| Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 4:24 pm Post Subject: |
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LOL wijjit....I recieved the PM you sent me...and thought wow, and then I read this thread and Im thinking huh???!
Can you explain yourself sunshine? |
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kismet
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:08 am Post Subject: |
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wijjit you are right, it cant be anything else except us travelling.
I was in Nelson a few weeks back and I saw a few contrails every now and then, and have you thought of how many flights there are every day between AKL/CHC, ZQN/AKL etc not to mention the other regional flights, of which some of those aircraft do leave contrails. In Perth there are absolutely no contrails whatsoever, but go to Esperance, or up north and you will see a few. If this chemtrail theory is correct, then why the hell would they spray over regional WA, which has like 100,000 people spread out over an area of Alaska almost!
If you think about it, its pretty inconcevable that we have this kind of technology, and then in New Zealand.
Once again if you do a little more research into the atmosphere and how it works with things like planes and pressure etc... then maybe youll see that chemtrails are not actually real! |
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smashdracs
Joined: 23 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:47 am Post Subject: |
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Oh what!!!! the mystery solved just like that!
Geeze we better get word out to the rest of the world that this is how it is....I can go with this theory guys.....in fact I guess the circular chemtrails are joyriding pilots in passenger jets giving everyone a big spin!...Yeah that will do...Another mystery explained....Hell Im good!
And all those little orb shaped things....are....um...er.... I know, they are specially evolved birds....yeah thats it, round birds....cause everything is evolving, simple explaination for simple people....And the dark beams we sometimes see and have photographed, they must be....um....er ahh...SHADOWS!...Yeah shadows reflecting of the sky!....I guess, cause um....er...shadows do that you know!
And all that fluffy stuff that can fall down from the trails to the ground....that must be pollen from all the flowers up there....because now that so many of us are travelling, we all take heaps more flowers up in the planes, which naturally means your gonna get more pollen fallout from the sky....damn Im good. And when there are no "Chemtrails" for weeks.....well....that just shows that there are no planes flying which is a very good indication of how much the airline industry is struggling eh! Yep Ive seen it go for weeks with not a single jetplane flying overhead....must be because fuel is so expensive these days... |
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smashdracs
Joined: 23 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:07 am Post Subject: |
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| And those stupid meteoroligists who told us all that contrails dissipate after a few minutes were obviously a bunch of dimwits compared to the likes of wijjit and co......I mean we all know that a contrail can persist in the sky for hours, and when there are enough of them the whole sky can be fogged out by the condensation from the arse end of all the passenger jets.......its just another example of science lying to us....contrails dissipating within minutes!...What a load of bollocks ..... |
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Hieronymous Bosch
Joined: 09 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:56 am Post Subject: |
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:lol:
smash,
yo da man..
are these folks for real, or are they here to spread disinformation? i mean, for crying out loud, the world is WAY past the disinformation stage with chemtrails!
kismet and wijit.. please do the research! mysterious new zealand has an excellent library of resource links. i suggest you use them. don't just look at them, but actually click on them and READ them.. i know it will take time away from "mitre 10 yuppie house renovations" and "shortland street" :shock:
these folks would probably believe that the iraq invasion is because of saddam's world destroying cache of WMD... and that 100s of billions of dollars of the US and UK funny money is being sacrificed to the alter of "war on terrorism"....against a rag-tag, inept group of islamic hillbillies hiding their sorry asses in afghanistan! :lol:
sometimes it's just best to let those who want to be deceived, remain deceived. there are plenty of other folks that want the truth.
oy, vay. :roll: |
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Deano
Joined: 22 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:49 pm Post Subject: |
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| Good one smash, dont get side tracked by da spooks 8) |
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kismet
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:44 pm Post Subject: |
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Ive looked through this site many times and read all the info. Im a commercial pilot now in training for my ATPL and things ive learnt about aeronautics explain pretty much everyhting about chemtrails.
These circular CT'S....well have you guys ever thought about holding patterns that ATC gives aircraft? |
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smashdracs
Joined: 23 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:16 pm Post Subject: |
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Holding patterns would explain circular persistant trails if they were a more common phenomena. The fact is these are very rare, but persistant contrails are not.
Frequent persistant contrails are a new thing....at least they are new if you have always been an observant person, and you happen to live in an area that gets this happening in the sky often.
I suggest you come down to Wellington one day when there are dozens of huge trails being layed out west on a cloudless warm day and watch them spread and haze out the sky from horizon to horizon as they drift overhead. You would also be quite stunned at the marked drop in visibility at ground level as if the city had been crop dusted.....Lower Hutt can literally disappear behind a brownish smog type haze when you look that way from the slopes of Mount Victoria.
Of course, these events dont happen everyday. There can be months between events like I just described, sometimes just days or a couple of weeks.
Im barely scratching the surface of what can be seen happening when events like this happen |
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Hieronymous Bosch
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| Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 8:23 am Post Subject: |
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| kismet wrote: | Ive looked through this site many times and read all the info. Im a commercial pilot now in training for my ATPL and things ive learnt about aeronautics explain pretty much everyhting about chemtrails.
These circular CT'S....well have you guys ever thought about holding patterns that ATC gives aircraft? |
do you fly an all white, no logo, 767 that occasionally follows grey beams extending from out past the horizon, and your "vapour" trail gets sucked into this grey beam, extends, then plumes out for hours when other craft at similar altitudes are leaving no "vapour trails"? also, i guess air new zealand has to lay off half of its engineers due to the fact that their plasma cloaking technology from uncle sam is so damn expensive.
by the way kismet, i saw you last september over my house...
and then turned my head for a second, and you disappeared! does your preflight check include testing the plasma cloaking system?
if you are, then mystery solved. :roll: |
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Deano
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smashdracs
Joined: 23 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:50 pm Post Subject: |
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| Well thats the first time Ive seen your video Deano, and it is very impressive. Just the type of thing I have seen on various occasions here in Wellington and Marlborough, and the sky does indeed get that badly trashed. |
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kismet
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 11:16 pm Post Subject: |
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| Quote: | | by the way kismet, i saw you last september over my house... |
HAHA very funny.....considering I live on the other side of the world from you!!!
| Quote: | Kismet,
In an earlier post I asked you to make comment on the video I took on oct 19 but you ignored. Can you explain the mess these trails made in the sky? |
Yes i have watched it, and looking at it Id say those are flights between Auckland, Dunedin, Christchurch and Queenstown.
And to Hieronymous Bosch,
Dont tell me you can possibly tell from those photos that the plane is | Quote: | | an all white, no logo, 767 |
You cant tell anything from those and besides that looks moer like a 733 than anything else! |
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Carus
Joined: 22 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 7:28 am Post Subject: |
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Kismit. I really am starting to find your comments very contradictory. :roll:
| Quote: | | considering I live on the other side of the world from you!!! |
You said this on 24 Jan:
https://www.mysteriousnewzealand.co.nz/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2759&highlight=#2759
Not really the other side of the world I would have thought.
You initially entered this forum claiming you were a pilot then later told us that a friend made the post. Are you really interested in understanding the whole chemtrail/persistent trail issue with an open mind or do you have another agenda? |
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smashdracs
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| Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:58 am Post Subject: |
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Well, if kismet and co can call chemtrails "normal" why not call Perth Australia the other side of the world?
I see no problem with idiocy when it is consistent. |
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smashdracs
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| Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:00 pm Post Subject: |
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| Freedom of speech applies to those who are stupid as well..... |
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Hieronymous Bosch
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| Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:20 pm Post Subject: |
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| kismet wrote: | | Quote: | | by the way kismet, i saw you last september over my house... |
HAHA very funny.....considering I live on the other side of the world from you!!!
| Quote: | Kismet,
In an earlier post I asked you to make comment on the video I took on oct 19 but you ignored. Can you explain the mess these trails made in the sky? |
Yes i have watched it, and looking at it Id say those are flights between Auckland, Dunedin, Christchurch and Queenstown.
And to Hieronymous Bosch,
Dont tell me you can possibly tell from those photos that the plane is | Quote: | | an all white, no logo, 767 |
You cant tell anything from those and besides that looks moer like a 733 than anything else! |
irrelevant. boeing craft.
i have along with thousands of others, have witnessed this same aircraft activity, laying down trails from a higher altitude when the craft were lower. you may not believe me or the other eye witness reports but some of the planes that are leaving these trails are all white, no logo observable, and appear to be 767 or 757 bodied craft. i have no agenda other than discovering what the hell is going on in our skies, why they are doing this, what health implications there are, as well as asserting personal liberty over clandestine operative agendas.
the us air force even admits publically that they are painting their aircraft all white, and refitting engines with hush kits.. now why on earth would they be doing that?.. the governments around the world admit weather modification experiments.
http://www.rense.com/general67/someth.htm
even the normally tight lipped industry schill, the us faa has admitted the chemtrail program in 2001!
http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:G6MXec5ZvBwJ:www.humanunderground.com/FAAconfirms.html+us+airforce+flights+new+zealand&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=10
kismet, wake up!! your assertions are lazy, flippant, and do not explain simple observable facts, or thousands upon thousands of credible eye-witness reports, many by airline pilots, police officers, aviation officials, and qualified meteorologists. you have not done your research on this board or anywhere else.
i have personally witnessed the laying of 14+ chemtrail lines, all planes except two or possibly three flying south TO north over christchurch on a thursday in a two hour period betwen 10am and 12 noon!!!
let's get some facts, as you seem to be truly lacking these. maybe living in perth is an excuse to be ignorant about new zealand commercial air traffic, but let's enlighten you on this subject:
air new zealand
all northbound flights that would put a plane over christchurch between 10am and 12 noon:
dunedin to auckland
flt 514 arrives AKL 11am
flt 632 arrives AKL 11:25 am
flt 450 arrives AKL 2:50 pm
dunedin to wellington
flt 450 arrives WGT 12:30p
there are no queenstown to auckland or queenstown to wellington flights in this window at all.
invercargill to wellington
flt 5062 arrives WGT 2:10pm
qantas (nz)
does not fly out of dunedin
queenstown to auckland. nothing in this window.
queenstown to wellington. no direct flights. all go through christchurch
origin pacific. they don't fly south of christchurch. if their turbo props were leaving vapour trails, i'd be the first to call my mate mike pero to give him an ear bashing!
so, let's add up the potential commercial craft over head in this time window:
I count 5 potential northbound flights over christchurch. where are the other 9 or more? even with two or three of these flights southbound, that would leave 6 or 7 unaccounted for.
who are they? could they be those all white 757/767 boeing air craft? they are flying in the unrestricted air space of the treaty of open skies now ratified by all UN member nations, including new zealand. |
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kismet
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Cut me a bit of slack...Perth is roughly 5000 k's from NZ...thats quite a distance.
| Quote: | | what health implications there are |
I have to agree with this though, even thought I do not believe there is chemtrail spraying over any part of the world, the amount of crap spewing out of those engines has got to be doing something to us. |
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Hieronymous Bosch
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| Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:04 am Post Subject: |
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| kismet wrote: |
even thought I do not believe there is chemtrail spraying over any part of the world, |
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Carus
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| Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:02 am Post Subject: |
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Kismit,
Either you have a not negotiable, everything's fine and dandy view of the world or you are getting a lot of pleasure from a little game you're playing with us - telling us inconsistent information about yourself and baiting us with your seeming incredulity about anomalous contrails etc.
What do you really do in your life and what do you want from this forum? Are you serious about making a constructive contribution to a subject that for some is a serious reality in their lives? |
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kismet
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| Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:15 pm Post Subject: |
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| Quote: | Kismit,
Either you have a not negotiable, everything's fine and dandy view of the world or you are getting a lot of pleasure from a little game you're playing with us - telling us inconsistent information about yourself and baiting us with your seeming incredulity about anomalous contrails etc. |
OK a little about me....I live in Perth, Im 23 years old and I am in my last stages of flight training and theory etc...
Really all im saying is that to ME it just seems improbable that governments around the world are secretly spraying us.
If there is one day enough proof beyond a resonable doubt that they are doing this, then I will be an advocate for stopping it. But this hasn't been proven yet.
Btw.....how come ive never seen anything about CT's on TV, maybe one way to get people on your side is to use the media. |
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Carus
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| Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:37 pm Post Subject: |
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| Quote: | | ...it just seems improbable that governments around the world are secretly spraying us |
When I first began reading and hearing about this and many other things in the world I found it hard to believe that governments would do this too. I mean why would they harm the ordinary, innocent people of the world. It just doesn't make sense :-k
However it would seem a lot of this stuff is beyond government, especially the likes of ours in NZ and it goes on regardless of what governments and people are able to do or say. There is proof and a lot of information around...almost too much at times. You just have to be prepared to look at it and let your current view be shaken.
Why it isn't reported in the media I can't say for sure but possibly because it's not a safe subject and our news is very carefully controlled. Just because it isn't mainstream doesn't mean that these things don't exist. Perhaps others on the forum would like to comment on this one. |
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kismet
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| Quote: | | owever it would seem a lot of this stuff is beyond government |
By this do you mean very secretive organisations like the Illuminati and New World Order or whatever its called? |
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Carus
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| Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 9:01 am Post Subject: |
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| Apparently. As suggested by some of us here, have a look around the Internet and read for yourself. You've been given a lot of links here already. |
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Melody Anderson
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| kismet wrote: | | the amount of crap spewing out of those engines has got to be doing something to us. |
I think this is a very significant point and one many people ignore as they get caught up in the whole chemtrail/contrail debate. No matter what your point of view on what these trails are and how they are being formed, there are serious pollution implications suggested by the sheer volume of persistent contrail cirrus cloud now common in our skies, not to mention their possible contribution to the warming of the earth by way of cloud cover. Many mainstream scientists are becoming increasingly concerned about this.
Telescopes 'worthless' by 2050
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4755996.stm
NASA Scientists Use Empty Skies To Study Climate Change
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/05/020522074456.htm |
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Deano
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| Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 11:34 am Post Subject: |
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| Good find. It is amazing that they would release those pics. |
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Melody Anderson
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| Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 11:43 am Post Subject: |
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| Deano wrote: | | Good find. It is amazing that they would release those pics. |
:-) Well, they DO say that the best place to hide something is out in the open (See Sherlock Holmes's "The Purloined Letter") |
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Colin
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I have just looked through the satellite images posted on the BBC website that Mel linked to in her post yesterday... And they're truly remarkable!
It seems to me that they add or at least reinforce something significant to the debate on chemtrails/persistent contrails.
For all those hundreds - perhaps thousands of trails to appear simultaneously in single images and for the trails to be as long as they are in those individual images, then the trails must be persisting for a significant period of time. They cannot be dissipating within a few seconds or minutes as is the nature of a 'normal' contrail.
This means that the trails shown in those images by the BBC are either:
1) Not 'normal' contrails, or
2) Conditions now exist in the atmosphere in vast areas of both central Europe and North America, that have not existed before, that enable contrails to persist in ways they have not previously done, except under very limited and specific atmospheric conditions.
In either case, The BBC's images cannot with logic or science be said to show 'normal' contrail activity as they purport to do. |
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smashdracs
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| Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:43 pm Post Subject: |
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I have a friend who is a travel agent, he books flights for big business and government.
I was shocked when he told me that there are only 12 - 15 flights made by commercial jet airliners between Auckland and Christchurch per day.
This cant possibly explain those days when 50 or more trails are seen, photographed etc in one day. There are never 50 flights or even 20 in one day up and down the country commercially.
So that one kills the increased commercial airt raffic argument just like that. |
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