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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:56 am Post Subject: Cartoon protests follow Blair Religious Hate Bill defeat...
I learned for the first time today, that the original offensive cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammad published by the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten, were in fact, published four months ago.
Obviously, since then, there have been diplomatic efforts to secure apologies, further reprints in other papers around the world, and now, the recent protests and violent action that has flared up all over Europe, the Middle East, pretty much everywhere.
The Danish prime minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen told a news conference "We are now facing a growing global crisis" .
I also find it very interesting that the Blair government's Racial and Religious Hatred Bill was, within the last week, defeated with British MPs voting by 288 votes to 278 to back a key Lords amendment to the bill. I wouldn't be surprised to see some strong urging on the back of the cartoon situation to see this revisited more vehemently.
The New Zealand Herald this morning carried an article by David Rennie in Brussels saying:
NZ Herald wrote:
As World leaders pleaded for calm in the Mohammad cartoon row, the Danish Muslim leaders who set the crisis in motion have insisted they had only been trying to promote a "dialogue of civilisations".
They also angrily denied claims from moderate Muslims and European intelligence services that hidden "masterminds" triggered the sudden explosion of protests, a full four months after 12 cartoons of the prophet were published in the Jyllands-Posten.
In one of the Scholars for 911 Truth presentations professor Steven Jones talks about the Bush Doctrine of pre-emptive war. We have all seen recent posturing about Iran's nuclear program and their alleged attempts to create WMDs and as Deano suggested, it appears that we are witnessing that familiar process of an administration preparing their public for pre-emptive strikes against a country that hasn't made any attacks against the USA. Jones also stated that 95% of the world's terrorists have been 'created' since 911. The subtext being that the Bush/Blair superpowers have provoked, encouraged and allowed the racial/religious divide to grow.
I can't help feeling that these worldwide racial and religious riots very much suit the agenda of those would seek a full scale war with the Middle East and that the "hidden masterminds" theory mentioned in the Rennie article could hold some weight - from where those masterminds originate is anyone's guess.
I feel that this is a worrying time for the world...
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:02 am Post Subject:
hi melody,
hard-hitting stuff. your post was very well-written and thought provoking.
these themes do ring true.
islamism (not islam) also forgets that other religions and worldviews are being trashed all the time in the "media" and in the name of "artistic expression". the "piss christ" or the "virgin mary made from elephant dung" or even the soon to be released south park episode of the virgin mary bleeding from an area with a reference to the female menstural cycle. is this freedom? if i turned my stereo up full blast at 3am on a wednesday night, why not? just because my neighbor gets offended, that's his problem. he needs to accept the loss of sleep, productivity the next day, and get on with it. it's all about what i want! :wink: sounds a bit like the moral equivalent of a five year old. i guess we can argue this is why we have laws. to preserve "freedom". without laws (or freedom of thought: morals, ethics, whatever we want to call "higher universal wisdom") we are far from free.
"the price of freedom of religion and the press is that we must put up with a great deal of rubbish" i can't agree more with this famous quote. freedom does have its costs. yet, also freedom cannot be unrestrained. freedom without responsibility is enslavement. should we have the freedom to impinge on the freedom and the rights of others? to me, this concept evokes that symbol of the snake eating its tail.
so, is the global cartoon fiasco about freedom? i don't think so.
That fact that these cartoons were intially published four months ago and are now taking prominence seems odd to me also. It's a little out of left field - if this approach is to get people incensed. Paul Buchanan has written quite a long article for Scoop and had some thought provoking questions:
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This brings up the issue of orchestration of anti-Western demonstrations and riots in some Muslim states. Rather than spontaneous outbursts of popular indignation, in several countries the dissemination of the offending cartoons (and some fakes) and a lack of police presence outside targeted Western embassies suggest some element of direction was at play. After all, how often is it that residents of Gaza happen to have Danish flags handy for burning? How many Syrians knew the street address of the Danish embassy, and how exactly did they come to congregate with firebombs outside of it? That raises the question of whether the cartoon controversy is being manipulated by certain states and groups for political purposes beyond the taking of religious offence.
Yes there does appear to be more going on here after all who would risk insulting their major trading partners and risk hundreds of millions of dollars in trade...madness!.
The people who made the decision to publish are hurting us all and who are they, what links are there with regard to who owns these papers and who are they 'in bed' with. Christianity has always had a problem with the Islamic faith and its nothing new, it goes way back into history.
Holes are already beginning to appear in the Christian religion built on the lies of Constantine. Jesus did not die on the cross in fact he went on to father three children with Mary Magdalene whom the church calls a prostitute.
Only one of the children carried the line on but it is alive today in the form of Prince Michael James Alexander Stewart. He has more right to the throne of England than the Queen and was forced to sign documents stating he was not interested in pursuing such.
Those wishing to know more should read Laurence Gardners books which showed me quite literally why the world is the way it is. Many of the people in power around the world have connections to this bloodline and it is a truly alien bloodline. The Annunaki visitors added their own DNA to create this new strain of mankind. They were non human looking aliens, reptilian in apearance though their children or ' creations ' if you prefer had human apearance.
Many in the Islamic religion know of these truths and of the lies that Christianity has built its foundation on but remain silent.
As youre probably laughing out loud by now I should mention that Dracula ( Vlad the Impaler) is a descendent of Jesus as well.
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:16 pm Post Subject:
Deano wrote:
Yes there does appear to be more going on here after all who would risk insulting their major trading partners and risk hundreds of millions of dollars in trade...madness!.
The people who made the decision to publish are hurting us all and who are they, what links are there with regard to who owns these papers and who are they 'in bed' with. Christianity has always had a problem with the Islamic faith and its nothing new, it goes way back into history.
Holes are already beginning to appear in the Christian religion built on the lies of Constantine. Jesus did not die on the cross in fact he went on to father three children with Mary Magdalene whom the church calls a prostitute.
Only one of the children carried the line on but it is alive today in the form of Prince Michael James Alexander Stewart. He has more right to the throne of England than the Queen and was forced to sign documents stating he was not interested in pursuing such.
Those wishing to know more should read Laurence Gardners books which showed me quite literally why the world is the way it is. Many of the people in power around the world have connections to this bloodline and it is a truly alien bloodline. The Annunaki visitors added their own DNA to create this new strain of mankind. They were non human looking aliens, reptilian in apearance though their children or ' creations ' if you prefer had human apearance.
Many in the Islamic religion know of these truths and of the lies that Christianity has built its foundation on but remain silent.
As youre probably laughing out loud by now I should mention that Dracula ( Vlad the Impaler) is a descendent of Jesus as well.
deano,
your post is out there on many levels, but i'll just concentrate on these:
1. you just insulted 54% of the new zealand population. good on ya mate.
2. we still love you. :D although many folks struggle with their "faith" and many are their faith's worst enemy, forgiveness is the cornerstone by which ia approach my faith, christianity. do we "all" live up to the standard preached by jesus? hardly!
3. the thrid-way nwo architects would love you on their side! have you ever thought of taking a job with the cia, cfr or wto?
4. please don't reply with how christianity, islam, buddhism, shinto-ism, occultism, kabbalahism, brahmism, hinduism or any other faith is rubbish because somebody at sometime said so beause of "x" and/or "y". it really is an irrelevant exercise in futility, and an unwinnable, pointless argument.
no more trashing people's faith! let's take the higher ground.
Sorry if it offends Buddy it is a lot to swallow I know. The trouble is I quite admired the Christian religion for some years for its clean living and good morals. I have a very open mind to most things but this false history which a good portion of the world believes in and relies on makes my stomach turn.
The da vinci code movie is due for release in june. Tom Hanks stars Ron Howard is directing. Ian Mckellen plays a professor who imparts the bloodline of the holy grail knowledge in which Jesus had a child to Mary Magdalene. More cracks in Christianity to come I think.
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 12:37 pm Post Subject:
Hi Deano and Hiero,
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please don't reply with how christianity, islam, buddhism, shinto-ism, occultism, kabbalahism, brahmism, hinduism or any other faith is rubbish because somebody at sometime said so beause of "x" and/or "y". it really is an irrelevant exercise in futility, and an unwinnable, pointless argument.
no more trashing people's faith! let's take the higher ground.
It seems to me that the aspects that religions seek most to defend are those that inherently don't matter. What matters in any religion must surely be the genuine spiritual purity shared by all religions and that probably are at the heart of their beginnings. History and political stuff, dogma, interpretations, marketing requirements, competition and protective measures etc etc, gets piled on top and if an individual gets too involved with that stuff they can lose sight of what really matters in life...
So I tend here not to disagree with anything you two guys have said. :D :D
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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 9:32 am Post Subject:
Deano wrote:
Sorry if it offends Buddy it is a lot to swallow I know. The trouble is I quite admired the Christian religion for some years for its clean living and good morals. I have a very open mind to most things but this false history which a good portion of the world believes in and relies on makes my stomach turn.
The da vinci code movie is due for release in june. Tom Hanks stars Ron Howard is directing. Ian Mckellen plays a professor who imparts the bloodline of the holy grail knowledge in which Jesus had a child to Mary Magdalene. More cracks in Christianity to come I think.
no worries.
but please, if you want alternative contemporary views on the history of christianity, please at least have a look at "the case for christ" by lee strobel before you accept the illuninati's disinformation provacateur revisionist versions (dan brown, gardner, icke, etc.).
remember, laurence gardner is a well-known freemason
Yes of course, it may be he is in the bloodline himself. I am only interested in the information, he no doubt, has his own agenda yet I feel a lot of what he says is truth. The faction he is working for has been killed off and suppressed to a large degree and now the only power they have is this release of this long hidden information.
