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[roofdoggy]

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the doomsayers are a depressing bunch. especially when there is a counter movement.

COUDBUSTERS, CHEMBUSTERS, ORGONE, WILHELM REICH

i urge anyone with concerns and the will to take some power back of these death loving scum we call leaders to search for the above 4 entries.

hmm. maybe i'll repeat that

COUDBUSTERS, CHEMBUSTERS, ORGONE, WILHELM REICH
oh, go on again

COUDBUSTERS, CHEMBUSTERS, ORGONE, WILHELM REICH
COUDBUSTERS, CHEMBUSTERS, ORGONE, WILHELM REICH

[roofdoggy]

okay, he did not 'discover' life energy, he found ways to harness it.

however he was due to be released within a week (im pretty sure) of his death.

maybe the apple pie in the sky, or the poison ice E i aye dart.

john and melody, you don't seem to want to go near orgone/cloudbusters with a ten foot pole it seems.
you's all ain't reptillians are ya? :lol:
j/k

[John Anderson]

Hi Roofdoggy,

[Hieronymous Bosch]

[roofdoggy]

Ok this post should be seperate from the jehova panic post.

Heiro wrote:

[roofdoggy]

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/chembustersexplained24feb03.shtml

it's a pretty good article and mentions trevor constable.

http://educate-yourself.org/tjc/visualray21may0.shtml
this one really, really mentions trevor constable.

sorry about the duplicated thread, can admin delete the 2nd one?
[Done - Administrator]

[roofdoggy]

heres something on Orgone Energy

known also as chi, prana, and many other names given from ancient times.

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Wilhelm Reich, a titan among 20th century scientists, discovered orgone energy in the late 1930's as an outgrowth of his study of the psychic and physiological functions of the sexual orgasm of which he first published studies in 1923. His numerous experiments led him to a microscopic observation of decaying plant and animal cells. He noticed that the cells of decaying grass or moss, suspended in water, would gradually break down and reform into very small energy vesicles (only seen at 2,000x and higher magnifications) which he termed bions. These bions gave off an intense blue light and eventually would congregate into bion heaps, which-incredibly-later transformed themselves into living protozoa, such as amoebae or paramecium!! (This discovery alone should have earned Reich the Nobel Prize, but instead, the government threw him into federal prison on a trumped up charge and he conveniently died of a 'heart attack' in 1957 after serving less than one year of a two year sentence.)

Reich found that he could obtain much larger quantities of bion vesicles by first heating the organic (e.g. blood) or inorganic substance (E.g. ocean sand) to a very high temperature and then causing the heated substance to be swollen by immersion it in a specialized liquid medium. This procedure allowed copious quantities of bions to be 'released' from these substances which were now available to reform into new living organisms.

By persistent observation, Reich realized that it was Orgone energy which accounted for the blue lumination and the biogenensis activity of the bions. He discovered that orgone energy is permeated not only within all living substances, but it is also found in non living substances (E.g. sand, coal, and soil ) and is ubiquitously present in the atmosphere. The sun being the major 'supplier' of orgone energy.

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[roofdoggy]

[smashdracs]

There is a pic of mine somewhere in the gallery...

Ive discussed this with another guy here in Wellington who also has one, and we both seem to agree that the things require mental and physical interaction from the person who has it.

Reich spoke of the Y factor involved in Orgonomy, I have gathered that the Y factor stands for YOU!
Meaning it wont work without your positive intent and effort.

Im wary of discussing this topic for several reasons. One being that the whole Chembuster idea is wide open to be lablelled quackery due to the fact that it is a non mechanical device working with energies that are invisible to most, and therefore more likely to run into misunderstanding than acceptance.
Another is that the things just arent as safe as I would have hoped before making mine. i didnt build entirely to spec....I have a somewhat modified design compared to the Croft cb.

And that leads me to another thing....Don Croft. Having been involved in the now defunct cloud-buster and orgonite forums for a couple of years, I got to see who is who and what they do in this particular branch of the chemtrail subject, and some of these so called patriot good guy etheric warriors were just plain reckless nuts.
I dont see this forum benefiting from any association with Don Croft and many of his ideas, and I would hate to see this place die from similar causes.
There are other places to get involved in etheric fighting...and device inventing etc.
This place has thus far stayed very well grounded on the whole subject of chemtrails ufos etc. If we all start hunting reptoids and fighting aliens that have infiltrated the forums etc I think we will cave in as a community like many others have.


Back to the safety issue. It is not wise for people to start building devices to deploy in their back yard that are designed to impact the atmosphere etherically. How do you control what people are building, how many devices are going up etc etc....is there a point where you can do more harm than good with one of these things?
I only say this because when I put mine up it shakes the weather locally for days afterwards, this has been demonstrated and witnessed by myself and others on numerous occasions now. The thing could be used to deliberately disrupt......
Some people might decide to build one just because they want to affect things in a big way and feel a little godlike perhaps????

What happens to the crap in the sky????? Damn good question, I was observing mine yesterday as it was creating quite a large blue hole overhead and the murky crud in the sky was very dense outside of the blue hole...where is all that stuff going????? Does it fall down? Dissapear into another dimension (not likely)?
Maybe it all gets pushed outwards of the area of the cb?


So as you can see, Ive owned one of these things for a couple of years and still havent got any conclusive answers to some big questions.


Yes the things most certainly affect aerosol cloud in the atmosphere, and they most certainly disrupt spray operations.
They do affect local weather.
They do make your garden grow better when you plonk them in the middle of it.


So should everyone build one?? I would say no. Why? Because there is no way to moderate the things or check that there arent to many in one spot etc etc etc etc the things just arent toys.


All that said, I have mine, Im keeping it and I love to experiment with it and thats that.

[smashdracs]

Another problem I have encountered with my CB is DOR saturation.
This is bad news for you and your neighbors if you dont have the sensitivity to realise when it is happening, you could end up soaking in a stagnant cesspool of DOR as the stuff can accumulate around your cb if it gets saturated. I learned early on that this needs to be watched closely. This is something that unsensitive persons wont be able to do without first learning how.....
These things are all experimental and they dont teach basic Orgonomy in school, and there are no night classes either.

A good place to learn the basics is the book "The cosmic pulse of life" by Trevor James Constable.
If you read that book cover to cover you will see that it is a complex subject.

[smashdracs]

I knew I should have stayed out of this topic, now Im really going.....

Im not trying to kill the chem-buster idea, Im just full of caution regarding it, and there isnt much caution from any of the sites promoting the things.

Yet another issue I have is this, when the cb is deployed it can hide the visual evidence of spraying overhead, I can easily photograph chemtrails and point them out when my cb is down. Put the cb up and the evidence tends to dissapear. .
I have wondered on more than one occasion if the spray craft are actually working harder and spraying more crap out to compete with and overwhelm the cb. I suspect they do this, meaning that I may be responsible for causing more crap to be sprayed than if the cb was down....


Damn it Im sounding real negative about all now.......
At the end of the day Im still no expert, and Im only trying to make my perspective clear on the topic....

[smashdracs]

The last thing I will say today on this is that if anyone is going to build one I strongly recommend building exactly to Don Crofts specifications and dont deviate.
My understanding is that these are GENERALLY safe, mine however is a deviation and subsequently does not tend to behave the same as the ordinary CBs.

I would say dont experiment to far beyond what others have tried unless your cock-sure of what you are doing....

[John Anderson]

Interesting series of posts Smash,

These comments got my interest:

[smashdracs]

Which brings us back to Trevor James Constable and the cosmic pulse of life....

Introducing the visual ray technique.....



The Visual Ray
or How Trevor Taught me Cloud Busting
By Ken Adachi (Editor@educate-yourself.org)
(http://educate-yourself.org/tjc/visualray21may0.shtml)
May 29, 2000

In the Beginning
(Southern California) It all started about three years ago while eating a $2.50 luncheon special at the China King Restaurant in Costa Mesa with a couple of friends. We had just finished yaking for almost four hours with the Bob Beck Gang at the regular Tuesday breakfast meeting and now we were continuing the prattle as a cozier trio in a different restaurant. We often went to have lunch at the China King because the price was right and atmosphere seemed conducive to science talk. We were talking about Nikola Tesla and experiments he had performed in the late 1800's which affected the weather and created other unusual atmospheric phenomena. Somewhere between the egg roll and the fried noodles, one of the guys, Merlin Wolf, mentioned the name of Trevor Constable.

"Who?" says I. "Trevor James Constable" says he.

Merlin said that the conversation had reminded him of experiments that Trevor Constable had performed aboard ships on the high seas that could affect the weather. He said Trevor could make it rain or turn a cloudy day into clear blue skies using a device invented by Wilhelm Reich called a Cloud Buster.

"Whoa, you're kidding!" says I. "No, I'm not kidding." says he.

Trevor had learned from Reich that it was Orgone energy that held the clouds together and not the little dust particles and droplets of water that we've all been told about in school. I later learned that orgone energy is often referred to as a 'living' energy and has been given sundry names over the years. Nikola Tesla and James C. Maxwell called it the Ether or Aether, the Chinese called it Chi, and Reich called it Orgone. Other bright guys, like Karl Von Reichenbach, John W. Keeley and Viktor Schauberger, also stumbled upon different manifestations of orgone energy in the 19th Century and the early decades of the 20th Century. They too devised methods of harnessing this energy and putting it to practical use.

(Never heard of these men? Never read a word about their discoveries in your science or physics class right along with Isaac Newton, Thomas Edison or Alexander Graham Bell? Well, there's a 'good' reason for that, but that considerable explanation will have to wait for another time.)

The Second "Law"
Orgone energy defies many of the accepted 'laws' of standard physics, such as the Second Law of Thermodynamics, which, roughly translated, says that energy always diffuses from a higher state towards a lower one ( higher concentration towards lower). Once you understand the nature of orgone energy, however, you soon realize that the Second Law of Thermodynamics isn't really a 'law' at all, since orgone defiantly demonstrates that its energy can move in the opposite direction (lower concentration towards higher). Before we attach the name 'law', to what is really an assumption based on mechanical observations, it should be immutable and applicable 100% of the time, but if it fails in even ONE instance, it's not much of a 'law'.

Orgone busts the rivets right off this bulwark of establishment science with the same ease that it busts clouds. The reader should be aware, however, that such thoughts are tantamount to high heresy in the minds of conventional physicists and academicians (our article on the Joe Energy Cell, an orgone free energy device, also makes a monkey out of Second Law of Thermodynamics. You might want to take a look at it: http://educate-yourself.org/fe/fejoewatercell.shtml )

Merle Continues
By siphoning orgone energy either away from clouds or directing it into clouds, you could dissolve or build up clouds-at will. Merle said that Trevor could control the weather to such a degree that he could create a squall line of rain showers just ahead of his ship and keep it moving forward, but never touch the ship.

"OK, exactly how?" says I. "With the Cloud Buster" says he.

Merle then went on to explain that Trevor's Cloud Buster sort of looked like a Gattlin' Gun with a thyroid problem. In a Cloud Buster, a series of 1 to 12 very long tubes are mounted parallel to each other and held attached to a tripod with a full turret swivel. The entire tube assembly can also be pivoted from horizontal to full vertical. Some sort of 'resonant tuning box' is connected to the rear end of the tubes and a very long wire is also connected from the end of the tubes and trailed into the sea water. By pointing the Cloud Buster at a cloud, you could draw off its orgone energy and direct it into the tubes and then into the water, for which it has a very strong affinity. Somehow (Merle couldn't remember how), Trevor was able to reverse the process and 'upload' orgone into the clouds and cause them to build up. If he kept on building them up, he could create a thunderstorm; and he often did. Merle mentioned that Trevor wrote all about this and other fascinating things in a marvelous book called "The Cosmic Pulse of Life".

I knew I wasn't going to forget that book because it had such an intriguing title. While snapping open my fortune cookie, I silently vowed to myself that I would find that book and read more about ole Trevor and the Cloud Buster (control the weather, ..hmm, heavy stuff).

On and off for the next couple of years, I kept my eye out for that book, but I never saw it in book stores. I looked it up once on Amazon.com, but they said that it usually shipped in 4-6 weeks and sometimes it was out of stock. I was discouraged at the idea of waiting that long and decided to just let it go. However, when I attended a week-long seminar at the Arkansas Research Institute in September of '99, I saw it sitting on the shelf while passing through their library and I reminded myself once again that I've gotta get that book and have a peek inside.

Fast forward to early May of this year
A scientist friend of mine needed to thin out some of his 'stuff' at home. He was moving to a smaller place and couldn't take all of the accumulations that most of us 'researchers' are prone to collect. Merle and I bought a bunch of equipment from him. I stayed there a little longer than Merle and I was able to haul off two big boxes full of great books which included-yes- The Cosmic Pulse of Life ( I didn't tell my wife, of course, about my latest acquisitions which I quickly hid before she got home. She seems to feel, for some odd reason, that I have enough 'stuff' already and don't need any more...).

Well, at long last, I got to open that red jacketed paperback and see for myself just what Mr. Constable had to say.

Well, what he had to say, dear friends, is simply amazing.

(Aside: This article is devoted to Trevor's explanation of the Visual Ray and how you can utilize this astounding phenomena yourself to direct orgone energy -with your eyes, but Trevor's book deserves much greater attention since it exposes many revelatory and important topics of what he calls the New Knowledge. I strongly urge you to read this magnificent tome.)

Back to Our Tale...

The Visual Ray

Ready
Orgone energy pervades, permeates, and extends beyond the boundary of all living things. It's often called the etheric body, but it is also known as the fundamental body, the formative-force body, and the orgone body. Using dicyanin goggles and sensitizing the eyes, you can readily see it as the human aura. With practice, you can dispense with the goggles altogether and see the aura unaided in dim light with the right sort of background. The luminescence we see as the aura is due to the radiation of this energy. This radiation emanates more strongly from the ends of pointy body parts like fingers. You can feel the orgone body as well as see it.

Sit down in a quiet place and point the ends of your fingers at each other from your slightly cupped hands. Separate the fingers by an inch or two and move them back and forth so they are horizontally traversing each other. Close your eyes and quiet yourself until you feel the feathery, gossamer like brushing sensation as the rays of orgone energy emerging from your fingertips cut across each other. Most people can feel it within a few minutes. As you become more sensitized to the feel of the rays, you can separate your fingers wider apart and see how far out you can notice the effect. For the skeptical who think it's the action of air currents, place a large cardboard wall between your hands and oscillate your hands again. You will still feel the brushing sensation because orgone goes right through cardboard. Trevor mentions that Rudolf Steiner describes, in his writings, the role of the etheric body in all of the body's sensory processes of perception.

Aim
On page 61 of Cosmic Pulse, Trevor tells us that the departure of a ray of energy from the human eye is an integral part of the process of vision. He refers to the book, Man or Matter by Dr. Ernst Lehrs in which Lehrs identifies the eye beam as the "visual ray". Trevor continues:

"This term is appropriate because the visual ray acts similarly to a radar beam, going out into space from the human being and extending consciousness out into space. Each eye emits energy, but one eye is the "master eye" and controls and the whole process. Through the visual ray, the living energy in you makes contact with external objects, reaching out and grasping those objects, as it were. The visual ray is of the same quality as the rays leaving your fingertips, but is much more sensitive and more functional because of its direct connection to consciousness. The visual ray is also under the direction, in a mechanical sense, of the exquisite human ocular apparatus."

You can feel the visual ray yourself by sitting in a darkened room and allowing yourself to become quiet and acclimated to the environment. Turn off the TV, radio, etc.; any source of distracting sounds. Trevor reminds the reader that, in this exercise, one is attempting to reactivate or awaken faculties and endowments of the human organism that have been beaten down by the assaults of daily life and brainwashed out of us by establishment science which is cemented in mechanistic thought. So give it a chance to work. He advises:

"Give the grander realities a chance to live in you and to show you their wonders. Hold your hands up in front of you in the dark, palms facing you. Remember that the visual ray is a subtle beam of energy that leaves your eyes like a radar beam-the same quality of subtlety as the rays you have seen and felt from your fingertips. Attempt now to feel the gentle passage of the visual ray across your hands. You will find its gossamer subtlety a new experience in feeling. Persist and your sensitivity will improve. Focus all your faculties of touch into the visual ray and send it out into the darkened room to feel all kinds of protuberances."

Fire
Now that we have laid the foundation for understanding and have practiced a bit in the home, let's step outside and evaporate some clouds with the visual ray!

1. Pick a day when you have a number of small, cottonball looking, fair weather clouds.

2. Decide on the cloud you want to dissipate and have someone photograph, videotape, or at least witness what you are about to do. The experience is exhilarating and it should be shared.

3. Resolve within yourself that you're going to evaporate the cloud with your visual ray and understand that you will draw the orgone energy that was residing within the cloud, into your eyes and then into your body.

4. Concentrate on the cloud you want to bust and slice your visual ray back and forth across it, checkerboard style, horizontally and vertically. Afterwards, bore holes into it and keep slicing the fragments as the cloud begins to break up. You are drawing the orgone energy into your eyes and into you. Keep up the attack. Eventually (within five minutes), the cloud will completely disappear. The first time I did this was electrifying. I was besides myself with giddiness and self delight. You can continue busting clouds, but only up to a point. Eventually, you will absorb as much orgone energy as your body can tolerate at the moment and afterwards absorb no more. Excess orgone can discharge as electicity or through sexual ejaculation (another article).

For me, this experience was thrilling. Trevor intones repeatedly throughout his book that you must do these experiments yourself in order to own them. Just reading about it isn't enough. By experiencing this capability yourself, you now realize that you are not merely an animated bag of minerals worth 98 cents (going 'rate' when I was in high school) as mechanistic science would have it, but rather a thriving, biodynamic life force exuding creative radiant life energy.

Copyright 2000 Ken Adachi & Educate-Yourself.org All Rights Reserved.

[roofdoggy]

[hadleigh]

I tend to steer clear of the cloudbuster topic now.
I was a member of the Don Croft cloudbuster group and I've built two cloud busters. One of them is at Betty Rowe's property.
I had myself convinced that I was doing something amazing. But in retrospect it was all in my head.
The cloudbusters I built deviated a bit from Don Croft's design but I was following my intuition and............... :roll:
Long story short. I had my head in a strange place. I'm glad it's over.
I've left my CB behind the shed at our previous property.
I've read a lot of exiting stuff about Wilhelm Reich etc But I've had nothing but mental and phychological effects from my time working with orgone generators. I didn't see any clouds or chemtrails disapear due to it's influence even though at the time I had myself convinced otherwise and I was happy to tell anyone the whole drawn out, check out how nuts I am story.

Quite honestly I feel bitter about the experience I had.
But I must admit I'm still fascinated with Orgone energy. In theory.
I know I'll experiment some more at some stage in the future. And if anyones interested in doing somthing together weather it be pyramid energy or orgone energy etc feel free to contact me. I'll consider it.

You may like to look at a post of mine in the links... section
an example from that post
http://www.ethericrainengineering.info/

[roofdoggy]

how much did you deviate from the croft design? :?

i hope betty doesn't have a dud in her yard.

a friend of mine has pet rats, one of the males was dying of a lung/chest illness. It wheezed so loud that you wouldnt think a rat could make that noise. for 2 weeks it had been getting worse and was just trembling in the bottom of the males cage. when they took him out to hold him he'd sit and the trembling and wheezing while the other rats would climb all over you with alot of energy. we put a pyramid orgone generator next to males cage and 2 days later he was much more active, he'd climb all over them and even try to scurry away. the wheeze stayed it was quieter. and he seems to be doing fine, (just makes a bit of noise). :-)
and another friend says her mum, who is an insomniac, has been sleeping way more after she put a muffin sized orgone generator that i made beside her bed. I'm not making this up and im not crazy. All of our flat, (5 other people) have enjoyed the blue hole in the sky above our place on certain yuck hazy days, sometimes it's almost a perfect circle. The amount of planes that will fly directly over our house is quite amazing too 8)
I've spent quite a bit of cash making this stuff and it's all been given away and people love it.
maybe you should make a croft chembuster and try again. :D

[Deano]

Betty does have bad health bouts. You should tell her to dispose of the cloudbuster if it is on her property. If it wasnt made to spec it could be putting out 'bad vibes'.

[hadleigh]

The Orgone generating material of the cloudbusters(chembusters) I built varied from the Don Croft design in that I also added volcanic rock which is paramagnetic and seasnail shells which are diamagnetic calcium carbonate. I felt sure this would help create a powerful subtle energy device which of coarse is what the CB is meant to be.

If I was pressed to suggest a further step towards getting results from this attempt at orgone generation and chemtrail cleaning then I might say that an electro magnetic influence around the CB base would create a stronger reaction from the para and diamagnetic materials than the earths magnetic field alone.
There’s a bunch of things I’d thought of trying, amplified antennas, scalar wave self cancelling antennas, rotating pyramids with stationary rare earth magnet centres, additional orgone accumulating layers, and on and on. But they all come at a finacial and personal cost and where does it all end and It’s far too easy to go around the bend.

So now for the sake of my family and my mental health I try to set more achievable goals and I’ve put my attempts at trying to save the world with polyester resin and scrap metal behind me. I’ve cleaned up my mess as best I could and to those I’ve owed an apology, I’ve apologised . And I’ve moved on.

If a orgone “generator” or a CB doesn’t work then it cant do any harm. Apart from being frustrating and embarrassing.The Don croft school of thought was that an orgone generator cannot generate or accumulate DOR. Only healthy orgone and the worse the state of the environment it's in, the harder it works. If we were talking about an orgone “accumulator” then that would be a different story.
But if Betty is truly uncomfortable about having the CB around. Then I’m sure great relief could be brought about with a hacksaw and a shovel.

[roofdoggy]

i doubt the CB would be putting 'bad vibes' out, but it might be just not working. Also, if the marlborough sounds have so much strange activity going on then just 1 CB might be far to little of a counterpunch. any ideas?