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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 7:35 am Post Subject: Attention Web Master Please Add To Your Site Urgently
Hello
Can you put on your site at the top under chemtrails, the list of member of Parliments address and email addresses, and encourage all to email and write ( remember it is free to send letters to the member of parliments,) the way things will change is pressure on the, so if we and all we know email and write to them demanding answers as we have rights then some preasure will come on or it is going to get worst much worst, where we will not be able to do anything as our Immune system will be down then they will add the forced Vaccuations on us and bye bye all of us. remember Us is getting it worst as they have a lot more people and power so they are doing them much worst.. but it is encreasing in NZ as stated when we were in Nelson we viewed every 30mins 2 planes at a time and we stepped counting over 3 days when we got to 40 to 50 drops. We master can you also add all the Mayors and City Councilors of every town, and mybe the Police stations New Zealand wide, and we need to encourage our friends who have sites overseas to do the same, maybe add the telephone numbers to ring the member of parliments if you cannot get through leave a member and demands answers..
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 6:43 pm Post Subject:
truthrevealed wrote:
Can you put on your site at the top under chemtrails, the list of member of Parliments address and email addresses...can you also add all the Mayors and City Councilors of every town, and mybe the Police stations New Zealand wide
Welcome truthrevealed...
We tend to regard these forums as a cooperative - everyone contributing their various observational abilities, analytical skills and other talents etc to add to the record. As you can imagine running this web site whilst working on a myriad of projects associated with various aspects of Mysterious NZ requires quite a commitment and consumes a great deal of time.
Perhaps you might regard this as a personal project and work on putting together the contact list you propose? We would be happy to post the list, or have you post it when the research is complete.
You seem passionate about the cause - why not undertake to do this research and provide us with a finished document?
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 7:11 pm Post Subject: thanks
Hello, Thanks for your reply, my husband and I have sold all we have and are on the road full time getting this info out into letterbox;s into peoples hands, we give away 100's of dvds weekly and write to MP"s etc, we have sites and one of the has the MP"s details, you do not have to do a thinkg all you do is list them on your site for people to email from, you don't get the emails the MP"s do, the list is on the net all you need is your web master to load it onto your site, boy that would get things moving with people emailing and writing to the MP's this has to be done or we are all going to die, either with this or the fake bird flu vacc ( if you take the Vacc you die if you don't you die as it mutates over 21 period) things need to be done fast. thanks...
Hysterical evangelising will not garner support for public awareness about the chemtrail issue. Nor will it make politicians, mayors and other officials sit up and take notice. Using expressions such as "we are all going die" specifically in relation to chemtrails is extremist, to say the least and is not a view or an attitude we uphold on Mysterious New Zealand.
Our forum members deserve to know from what platform you are making your appeals. We are not against people of faith on these forums. Everyone has their views, spiritual, religious or other. However, if you have an undeclared agenda that purports to be one thing, when it's really another, you won't find much support here.
Using the chemtrail phenomenon to further extreme apocalyptic christian views will not get it noticed in the mainstream, nor will it bring this serious issue proper credence. You obviously feel deeply committed to your ministry and have made it your life's work to witness wherever you go. We think it needs to be pointed out, that the DVDs you are handing out and the information you are disseminating is not confined to the chemtrail issue alone. Your post would appear to be somewhat misleading in that you give an impression that you have sold everything to bring the news about chemtrails to the masses - the reality is that it's simply one of a long list of evils you feel are destined to doom us all.
We don't encourage anyone making hysterical, panicked or paranoid demands to officialdom and must dissociate ourselves with anyone doing so. The more individuals taking this approach, the worse the prospects for the issue being given any serious consideration by the powers that be.
If people feel strongly enough to write to parliament, that's great. They will also, no doubt, be able to acquire the necessary contact details of the members in question. We would urge anyone choosing to do so, to present credible, rational, well reasoned communications and please, check spelling and grammar before sending anything.
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:07 pm Post Subject: Who said we are christian??? we are concerned people of NZ
You have made statements regarding us as christians, where did you get that information??? you know it is proven that if enough pressure is put on officials things get changed, how else do you change things, sit back and talk about it on a chat page??? sorry that does not change anything.. we know for a fact that things change when officials are confronted over issues... 1000's are dieing around the world from this poison.. if that's not important, peoples health then what is ( we give out much information on this subject around this country and some are doing things about it).. many are stating how sick they have become.. do we just sit around and wait to die??? all I asked is for you to put a link to the MP's page so that people can contact them, that is easy to do.. my web master can do that for your for free if you like.. thanks
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:56 pm Post Subject: Re: Who said we are christian??? we are concerned people of
truthrevealed wrote:
You have made statements regarding us as christians, where did you get that information???
Unfortunately, there are no secrets on the Internet these days. Since you have seemed reluctant to post any URLs to your site (which would clearly show this to be the case), we won't give them out here, suffice to say, there can be no doubt of your religious agenda. We understand you are Jehovah Witnesses - perhaps why you might take offense at being referred to as Christians.
truthrevealed wrote:
you know it is proven that if enough pressure is put on officials things get changed, how else do you change things, sit back and talk about it on a chat page???
Absolutely not. However, nor can you effect change by making wild assumptions or making broad panic mongering suggestions. There is a serious requirement to get the facts straight, particularly so in New Zealand and to build a solid foundation of trustworthy observations and rational analysis. And that is part of the purpose of this forum and our galleries. There is a time and a manner in which to make appeals to the authorities and it is our view that this time has not yet eventuated. That is our opinion and yes, we are entitled to it.
truthrevealed wrote:
and sorry that does not change anything.. we know for a fact that things change when officials are confronted over issues... 1000's are dieing around the world from this poison.. if that's not important, peoples health then what is ( we give out much information on this subject around this country and some are doing things about it).. many are stating how sick they have become.. do we just sit around and wait to die??????
Certainly we regard people's health as important - there is no question of that. We do not have the kind of factual information required to present a credible and audible case to parliamentarians at this time. Others have tried, very recently in fact, and failed with the splatter gun approach. Since you are posters over at Uncensored Magazine, we are sure you have read the threads over there concerning letters to Sue Kedgely and know what we are talking about.
truthrevealed wrote:
all I asked is for you to put a link to the MP's page so that people can contact them, that is easy to do.. my web master can do that for your for free if you like.. thanks
This is not a matter of technical expertise. We can put any number of links we like on our site at any time. You asserted that you had such lists on your own sites ("we have sites and one of the has the MP"s details), and were invited to post links to your sites for the benefit of our readers. You declined to do so. Why should we do all the research, when you already have it and are making demands that it be added to our site? The addresses you requested be added to the site require considerable time to research, list, code and upload. Since you made such impassioned pleas for their posting it was suggested you might like to provide the list or links to lists - this can be done directly through this forum. You also declined this invitation. Needless to say, we won't be giving your web master ftp access to our site.
also, anyone interested in an alternative chemtrail video, check out this http://www.worldwithoutparasites.com/codsmall.rm a different approach than the 'we're-meagre-pleebs-and-there's-nothing-we-can-do' approach of Clifford Carnicom.
Cloudbusters work, we have 3 in our garden and allthough i haven't yet seen a blatant CT over auckland central to aim it at, the 5 or more times a day that the same private chopper loops over grey lynn/ponsonby and flys directly over our house, sometimes he flies straight over us first. I mean, why? i thought it cost an arm and a leg to have a chopper in the sky? i live with 5 other people and they all share the view that cloudbusters attract private helicopters. one of them is on the dole and one day it was 8 times before lunch time. directly over our house each time. are that many people taking Grey lynn helicopter tours?
and the blue hole in the sky which is in the same place for hours at a time, are quite enough proof to me that they work.
i can build one at cost for who ever wants one. about $50-60 resin, 10 bucks metal shavings 30 bucks worth of quartz crystals and 60 bucks scrap copper pipes.. so for about $150 roughly you to can help reclaim our blue skies and take the fight to these bottom feeders who are spraying us on a daily basis.
john and melody, the footnote/signoff bit at the bottom of your messages is a very good one. why are you making this person look like a nutter and effectively telling them to shush?
We all know that they are spraying and the least harmfull of the 3 possible scenarios would be the ??? i forget.
either Haarp (nice particle beams blowing up cities). weather control (own the weather by 2025, or now) . or the other mass death on a large scale thing through ever increasing unexplained respiratory illness or spanish flu..
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There is a serious requirement to get the facts straight, particularly so in New Zealand and to build a solid foundation of trustworthy observations and rational analysis. And that is part of the purpose of this forum and our galleries. There is a time and a manner in which to make appeals to the authorities and it is our view that this time has not yet eventuated. That is our opinion and yes, we are entitled to it.
the only people who know 'the facts' are ones doing 'the fact' and they probably wont be all that keen on filling us all in on the plot.
if everybody takes that approach then nothing will happen... if truthrevealed is actually handing out hundreds of dvd's and informing many people then they are doing more in a week than this forum will in a month maybe?
we all know what's going on so lets take it back to some good old grass roots.
The time for silence and appeasement ends now.
maybe you could do a poll of the frequent photo posters and see if they agree to having their photo's on a save-able photo page. Because after all rightclicking - 'save picture as' does not add to web traffic at all. You could watermark the photo's with the website URL. more people informed, more people to your site. win win win! I still think this is a vital part of getting the truth out there, don't you?
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." - Thomas Jefferson
Thanks for posting that link roofdoggy.. And the video also - we'll check that out later. Just for everyone's information, the video is over 70mbs file size, so it might pay to right click and save target as to download the video to your hard drive in order to view it...
roofdoggy wrote:
why are you making this person look like a nutter and effectively telling them to shush?
As you can appreciate, we must be very careful about who we ally ourselves with as founders/administrators of this site. Truthrevealed has not been straight with forum members about her agenda (the impression being that they have sold everything in order to get the word out about chemtrails in NZ). They may well hand out hundreds of DVDs and other literature every week in the course of their ministry work (as well as selling them on their web site) - this is not exclusively on chemtrails. We think you will find that most of it is literature generally linked to the Jehovah Witness agenda.
We have no wish to ally ourselves with the Jehovah Witness movement, nor to anyone who imagines that it is appropriate to use the chemtrail phenomenon to simply advance a religious agenda. In our opinion, far from doing good, aligning the chemtrail issue with other religious doom-saying doctrine will ultimately do more harm to its chance of getting a credible hearing and gaining ground for the issue.
Their commitment to their faith and their ministry is nevertheless commendable, and we have nothing against anyone choosing to make approaches to politicians and other officials - that is their choice and their right. However, we wish to make it plain that their methodologies are not our methodologies, nor do we consider the way they have chosen to represent the issue to the public is helpful or constructive.
We could of course, provide a link to their web site so that our readers can draw their own conclusions - perhaps truthrevealed could confirm that they are quite open to us doing that and that they don't mind us directing our readers to their site?
We have some other comments to make regarding our approach and will do so in a separate posting...
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 11:41 am Post Subject:
Roofdoggy,
I must challenge some of your comments, for a start:
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a different approach than the 'we're-meagre-pleebs-and-there's-nothing-we-can-do' approach of Clifford Carnicom.
Your comment has no relevance at all to Clifford Carnicom's approach and his Herculean efforts over the years to bring the subject to the notice of a public that basically does not want to know and to authority that either will not respond or who dismiss the subject out of hand. He has spent tens of thousands of dollars of his own money, he has devoted all his spare time while also having to make a living. All to the detriment of his and his family's quality of life. He has put his identity on the line, has presented himself in public, address and physical location revealed. He has not hidden behind a false name with address concealed like so many ranters are wont to do.
Everyone has their own skills and abilities, he has used his own scientific abilities to create a body of scientific investigation that serve as a solid foundation for the likes of ourselves to use. We have corresponded with Clifford and his wife Carol and have found them responsive and helpful. The man and his works are an inspiration. And yet you dismiss him out of hand. And make statements such as this:
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Then there's the jeff rense / clifford carnicom type who openly admit it but also, just like the joho's, claim that we're all F%^&$ked, and that the powers that be are just one step away from dealing the final blow.
No doubt you are equally critical of Melody and myself over your perception of our approach.
Now, you who are so knowledgeable on approaches that work, I challenge you to reveal to us all just one approach from an individual or organisation that has been effective in your terms. Just one that has achieved what you believe to be a significant breakthrough.
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 10:32 pm Post Subject: Now you say we are JW
The chemtrails are truly getting to you aren;t they, we are far from being aJW's, our site is www.shockingdvds.com tell me where you get the JW thing from??? we sell very little dvds out of 4000 that we buy in we give away 3800 of them and sell around 200, so yes we have sold what we have to get information out not just about chemtrails but about 911 and Govt cover ups, we don;t have the time to sit around here arguing about who and what we are, we send funds to Clifford Carnicom and many others to keep fighting these issues and also send his dvd out free with every order as well as others out free, so when people order they get a number of dvds free, we are not into making funds but getting info out. There is much more than just chemtrails to fight, but if you think that we are JW's then I cannot change that.. all I did was ask the web master to add the member of parliments email address and I get attacked for that, oh well if that was to hard then sorry... Clifford Carnicom's also has sold all he has to fight this so is he a JW as well, Alex Jones ( who we know very well) he has done the same is he a JW as well, so everyone that is sold all they have to fight this fight are JW's well the JW's must have a large following, I can assure you that I have never been in or know any JW"s infact I have not even been in a church for 7 odd years.. read Pagan Christianity and you will find out why??? If anyone wants to meet us and pick up some dvds from us free we are down the Riccarten Markets on Sundays and have been down there a few times.. this will be our last one as we have done all we can down the south island and heading up the north island. You state that you have to have time to build relationships with people to calmly tell them about this, I am afraid to tell you but time is running out as you will see soon with the forced vaccines we are getting ( not my words but Helen C and the Health Minister) and much more... check out the georgia guide stones and you will see what they want to do with you and us... or email me for a free dvd and I will send one to you... on some of these subjects.
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 10:45 pm Post Subject: Re: hey hey
Attention roofdoggy - please email me at life@xtra.co.nz and we will send you out free a number of dvds on chemtrails, harp project, 911 and others... please people do not think we are here making money we are not, the site is only there is attract people worldwide and when they order we send out more free dvds to them, we letter box and give out 100's a week, I do not say this to get a back pat we are not interested in that in the least we just do not have the time... we are letterboxing every town in New Zealand regarding chemtrails, 911 and Govt control ( most of you will know Alex Jones - we have a lot of his material and paper work write ups so we letter box them) John and Melody you can email us with your details and we will send you some dvds free, there is no catch not one.. and as you say there is no secrets on the net so you will know we are up front... We do not come here to make trouble but to get the truth out about chemtrails, 911 and other Govt Cover Up's... the biggest problem in the world and why people do not do anything is that certain people attack them and make them look bad and discredit them and the messenger... Like we said we do not have time to argue as people are dieing out there, we have meet a large number who are living with chemtrails and are so pleased that we bought them the truth about it and are on Vitamins and getting better, sorry my spelling and grammer is not as high as you would like it, I am a fast typist so my hands go before my mind.. Thanks
also, anyone interested in an alternative chemtrail video, check out this http://www.worldwithoutparasites.com/codsmall.rm a different approach than the 'we're-meagre-pleebs-and-there's-nothing-we-can-do' approach of Clifford Carnicom.
Cloudbusters work, we have 3 in our garden and allthough i haven't yet seen a blatant CT over auckland central to aim it at, the 5 or more times a day that the same private chopper loops over grey lynn/ponsonby and flys directly over our house, sometimes he flies straight over us first. I mean, why? i thought it cost an arm and a leg to have a chopper in the sky? i live with 5 other people and they all share the view that cloudbusters attract private helicopters. one of them is on the dole and one day it was 8 times before lunch time. directly over our house each time. are that many people taking Grey lynn helicopter tours?
and the blue hole in the sky which is in the same place for hours at a time, are quite enough proof to me that they work.
i can build one at cost for who ever wants one. about $50-60 resin, 10 bucks metal shavings 30 bucks worth of quartz crystals and 60 bucks scrap copper pipes.. so for about $150 roughly you to can help reclaim our blue skies and take the fight to these bottom feeders who are spraying us on a daily basis.
john and melody, the footnote/signoff bit at the bottom of your messages is a very good one. why are you making this person look like a nutter and effectively telling them to shush?
We all know that they are spraying and the least harmfull of the 3 possible scenarios would be the ??? i forget.
either Haarp (nice particle beams blowing up cities). weather control (own the weather by 2025, or now) . or the other mass death on a large scale thing through ever increasing unexplained respiratory illness or spanish flu..
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There is a serious requirement to get the facts straight, particularly so in New Zealand and to build a solid foundation of trustworthy observations and rational analysis. And that is part of the purpose of this forum and our galleries. There is a time and a manner in which to make appeals to the authorities and it is our view that this time has not yet eventuated. That is our opinion and yes, we are entitled to it.
the only people who know 'the facts' are ones doing 'the fact' and they probably wont be all that keen on filling us all in on the plot.
if everybody takes that approach then nothing will happen... if truthrevealed is actually handing out hundreds of dvd's and informing many people then they are doing more in a week than this forum will in a month maybe?
we all know what's going on so lets take it back to some good old grass roots.
The time for silence and appeasement ends now.
maybe you could do a poll of the frequent photo posters and see if they agree to having their photo's on a save-able photo page. Because after all rightclicking - 'save picture as' does not add to web traffic at all. You could watermark the photo's with the website URL. more people informed, more people to your site. win win win! I still think this is a vital part of getting the truth out there, don't you?
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." - Thomas Jefferson
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Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 5:47 pm Post Subject: Re: Now you say we are JW
truthrevealed wrote:
we are far from being aJW's, our site is www.shockingdvds.com tell me where you get the JW thing from???
Now that you have published your email address publicly on this forum (life@xtra.co.nz ), any of our members can do their own research, so there is no reason we cannot publish the link to your other web site:
http://www.tractsforfree.com
A new website-based ministry has transformed evangelism. www.tractsforfree.com started in March this year offering free gospel tracts so Christians will have no excuse not to evangelise. Since then more than 1.5 million tracts have gone out throughout NZ and overseas. This ministry was a vision Ken and Deborah Wessel had two years ago that has come to fruition and is reaching thousands for Jesus. Ken says they began to realise the significance of Jesus’ great commission to go into all the world and preach the gospel (Mark 16:15 ). “As God opened our eyes we had to humble ourselves because the Bible verses we were reading really convicted us to think about our part in the great commission,” he says. Mr and Mrs Wessel produce colourful, interesting tracts ranging from hard-hitting to inoffensive. The presentation is straight to the point because of the instant society we live in. Topics include evolution, SARS, war, money, pornography and hell. This Challenge Weekly reporter was somewhat surprised to find out that the most popular ones for non-Christians are the ones that say, “Hell is not a party”. Ken says that he often witnesses to people who say hell is just a big party so he wanted an image that reflected the biblical description of what hell was. “It is not shameful to say I became a Christian initially because I was so scared that I might end up in hell. That is the beginning of wisdom; then you learn about God’s love for you,” he says.
Popular
At rugby games tracts with quizzes on them are handed out in the thousands. They even have rugby fans asking for more. Ken says they are also easy to hand out at bus stops. Near the bottom of the tract (14cm high x 6.5cm wide) it talks about God so people associate hearing the gospel with something that is enjoyable and challenging. Deborah says that God brought this ministry forth so there is no excuse for Christians not to witness. “People say it is not like me to witness; fine, you can put them into letter boxes or in supermarkets, anywhere. Many of us involved in distributing these tracts believe everything is a divine appointment. Whoever the Lord wants to have a tract will get one. The Lord reminded me that I only do 1 per cent of the work and he does the 99 per cent.”
Perspective
She believes that you can not be a Christian unless you have a heart after the lost. She points to Charles Spurgeon who says, “Have you no wish for others to be saved? Then you are not saved yourself. Be sure of that.” Deborah asks if we really think a loving God would want to bless us with everything while people are burning in hell? “No, we need to get things into perspective,” she says. Another of Deborah’s favourite quotes is by Ray Comfort who says, “If you were given $1000 every time you witnessed to someone, would you be more zealous in your evangelism? If so, you are serving money rather than God.” Almost every weekend Mr and Mrs Wessel and their team can be found witnessing on the streets and in the South Auckland markets. On a Friday night they would take about 30,000 of these tracts and hand them out. Sometimes people will stop and chat; other times people take them as they walk past. “We are constantly hearing amazing stories about how people got their hands on a tract and gave their life to the Lord. Another great story is of two 14-year-old boys in Hamilton who have been evangelising their school and community using the tracts. They have been seeing people saved and now a group of them are handing out tracts in their area.”
Penetrates
Ken says they can’t put a monetary value on this ministry. “Even if only one person gets saved through the 1.5 million tracts that have gone out so far it is worth it.” Deborah adds that even if a person doesn’t come to the Lord, at least they have been obedient to what God has told them to do. “When that person does come before the Lord, He will say my servant has told you about me and you have had a choice. “We’ve had so many stories about how people have found them and they have been just what they needed to read. The tracts have gone into places we will never be able to go,” she says. This husband and wife team has made many personal sacrifices in their obedience to God. They have had over 12 years of ministry experience in prisons and youth work both here and overseas. They are excellent communicators and are available to speak to groups of interested people. Please email them at life@xtra.co.nz Check out www.tractsforfree.com to see samples of the free tracts and place an order. They would prefer that you place a larger order especially if you may come back for more because the biggest cost is postage. However once again they reiterate that there is no charge because God provides; all they ask for is people to pray for the ministry and reach people with the gospel.
Since the article gives much emphasis to 'witnessing', it is a fair enough assumption to make that you are JWs - if not, something very close to it, with similar methodologies and agendas. There is a great difference between being religious, as no doubt many of our forum members may be, and having a religious agenda...
truthrevealed wrote:
all I did was ask the web master to add the member of parliments email address and I get attacked for that, oh well if that was to hard then sorry...
Roofdoggy has provided a link to those addresses - so you effectively have what you asked for.
truthrevealed wrote:
Clifford Carnicom's also has sold all he has to fight this so is he a JW as well, Alex Jones ( who we know very well) he has done the same is he a JW as well,
Now that's just silly...
truthrevealed wrote:
so everyone that is sold all they have to fight this fight are JW's well the JW's must have a large following, I can assure you that I have never been in or know any JW"s infact I have not even been in a church for 7 odd years..
Yet you have your own ministry?
I am not sure why you wish to deny your religious motivations so strongly. It really doesn't matter to us. Yes, we have no wish to ally ourselves with certain agendas, groups or campaigners, however, we felt the issue was that you were giving a misleading impression to the forum members, without giving them the benefit of all the facts...
truthrevealed wrote:
You state that you have to have time to build relationships with people to calmly tell them about this,
As we said, we have our own views and approach to this issue. We are not compelled to disclose them all at this time, but we have our reasons for taking the approach we do and have written extensively about our reasoning in statements on this forum.
truthrevealed wrote:
John and Melody you can email us with your details and we will send you some dvds free, there is no catch not one
By all means send us some of your DVDs, we would be really interested in seeing them.
Post them to: P O Box 60-222, Titirangi, Auckland.
truthrevealed wrote:
sorry my spelling and grammer is not as high as you would like it, I am a fast typist so my hands go before my mind..
Understood. We made the comment, not to be critical of you - as you will be aware, many of our forum members are in a similar boat and don't always place a high priority on checking through what they've written before submitting their posts - on forums it may not necessarily matter that much (although I am a fast typist also, but I do like to check over things before posting). However, we made the point that anyone wishing to make contact with government officials and the like, should make sure their spelling and grammar is correct to get the best chance of their communications being read and given credence. It's just common sense that the more coherent your communication is, the more likely it will be well received.
It is strange for you to put us in the box of JW's, if you won't take my word then end of story, secondly I certainly beleive in a Creator and His Son, if you took the time to check up even more then you would see I am not a JW or a Christian, and further more you would see all Churches and movements are Pagan.. if you have time then read Pagan Christianity ( which includes JW's) the only thing I don't take kindly to is for you to label us with every other false religion. I stand by what I said we spend our lives doing( not working to the bone for more junk) but to get out there and warn many about what is happening in the world ( why not take the time to check our our site at www.shockingdvds.com) and read the dvds we have up there.. that may give you a BIG idea what we are about.. never mind, just remove our listing here and we will not bother coming here again, we do not have much time on our hands as there is many out there lost and have no idea what is happenigng with chemtrails, vaccines and many other things... we have nothing to hide and have listed our site and email address.. we have offered dvds to those that want to know what is happening, leaving your address here is an effort on your part to email me for what you want...
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 1:16 am Post Subject: smashdracs 5c$
Truthrevealed. Hello.
I like you.
I get misunderstood all the time...always have. John and Melody arent nazi"s so Im sure you wont get banned from the forum. Your line of things wont be swallowed by many....and I dont need any evangalising....and I dont think your here to do that....
thats probably just a bit more than 5 cents worth.....
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 9:49 am Post Subject:
hi truthrevealed.
like smashdracs, i like you too. john and melody run mysteriousnewzealand in a thought-provoking, scientifically-based manner. there is a "court" of public opinion. in this court, we must provide solid, veritable evidence if we are ever to succeed in defeating enemies of freedom, liberty, and mankind.
mysteriousnewzealand performs this task dutifully and remarkably well. we all share a common goal here. there are great mysteries for which require sound, intelligent discussion and explanation. we all have our worldview, based on our beliefs as to why these mysteries are.. where we are being led, and end-result. yet, if in the forum we taint the evidence with a political, religious or social "agenda" the forum can quickly lose credibility and hence, power to reveal!
i have a christian worldview, and like you, believe that organized "religion" has been infiltrated for nefarious purposes. there will be folks on here that are atheists, agnostics, and even students of the occult (ancient mysteries). we can argue until the cows come home about how "wrong" each of our worldviews are, or point out what we consider false about this or that. yet, this is not the purpose of mysteriousnewzealand, as far as what i know.
we can all agree that the chemtrail, weather modification, haarp issue is a real, veritable global problem, being run and managed by a cabal of military industrial complex companies, pharmaceutical companies, and corporate elitists, all with an "agenda". all of us living under these operations need to "UNITE" with scientifically-based, observable data to prove beyond a shadow of a a doubt that these operations exist, are illegal, are harmful to life, and must be stopped ASAP. who do we need to prove this to? the court of public opinion. that's right. not the cabal. they don't need to be shown that we know their tricks. what is required is a groundswell of public opinion, in favor of further inquiry. what we believe involving global conspiracies, forced vaccinations, the protocols of zion, the depopulation agenda, etc. will only do the opposite, and drive those who already have been fed a high-dose of disinformation, away.
specualtion is simply that. although we may sometimes feel like we just solved a 'rubik's cube" for the first time, global conspiracy theories and our worldview systems are simply based on "what we know to be true".
science on the other hand, is the international language that can be used to attract the most skeptical observer. it is the only way to get these operations exposed, discussed and likely banned.
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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 11:50 am Post Subject:
Hieronymous Bosch wrote:
we can all agree that the chemtrail, weather modification, haarp issue is a real, veritable global problem, being run and managed by a cabal of military industrial complex companies, pharmaceutical companies, and corporate elitists, all with an "agenda".
Careful there Hiero :) That IS rather a speculative comment. We wouldn't necessarily disagree with it, but not sure we can agree either. We just don't know enough about this...
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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:22 pm Post Subject:
Melody Anderson wrote:
Hieronymous Bosch wrote:
we can all agree that the chemtrail, weather modification, haarp issue is a real, veritable global problem, being run and managed by a cabal of military industrial complex companies, pharmaceutical companies, and corporate elitists, all with an "agenda".
Careful there Hiero :) That IS rather a speculative comment. We wouldn't necessarily disagree with it, but not sure we can agree either. We just don't know enough about this...
you're right.. should have distinguished as "imho"
and if it's not a conspiracy, then it's one helluva lucky bunch of "sob"s.
Im afraid Hiero is right Melody although he is using rather broad language. I still havent written off it being aliens trying to get our attention though :D
Now that I come to think of it I dont think any of the aircraft that Ive been able to glimpse (they are elusive after all) have looked like airliner/tanker type planes. The craft (excuse the word) I have been able to view look like large drone aircraft always silver/white in colour travel very quickly and quietly.
What types of aircraft do you guys think, or have seen, are the most used for chemtrail operations?
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:29 pm Post Subject:
Deano wrote:
Im afraid Hiero is right Melody although he is using rather broad language. I still havent written off it being aliens trying to get our attention though :D
Now that I come to think of it I dont think any of the aircraft that Ive been able to glimpse (they are elusive after all) have looked like airliner/tanker type planes. The craft (excuse the word) I have been able to view look like large drone aircraft always silver/white in colour travel very quickly and quietly.
What types of aircraft do you guys think, or have seen, are the most used for chemtrail operations?
hi deano,
the craft that i observe that lay down persistent cts, or follow grey beams or other anomalous behaviour.. are similiar. all white, appear to be boeing twin engine craft (737/757).
i have only seen one darkly colored, larger aircraft laying down persistent cts. this happened to be several months ago during that large "op" observed and reported here in welly, levin, marlborough and canty regions.
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 10:20 am Post Subject:
Of the persistent contrail activity where there seems to be a deliberate, predictable and anomalous pattern of traffic, non consistent with normal commercial aircraft, due to the location of the observations or, for example, the presence of the black beam technology, that we have personally seen and photographed - we couldn't clearly identify the planes. Difficult to see with the naked eye, lenses not long enough etc.
I will say that in the case of the episode we recorded over the Waihopai spy base (which in our minds, for many reasons, was most certainly very anomalous), when we zoomed in on the planes later on the computer, there is a clear and consistent 'lack of planes' in some sequences. In these examples, the contrails being left by the planes are as clear as a bell, but where the plane should be, there is nothing. The scale/proportion of the contrail itself indicates that the plane should be clearly visible (not simply that it is so far away, it cannot be seen - if this was the case the contrail would appear to be even larger still).
We didn't actually examine the 2003 photos in that sort of detail at the point of origin of the contrail until recently, where the 'missing plane' became apparent.
