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Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 6:24 pm Post Subject: US Bases in New Zealand?
Hi All,
There has been a fair bit of interest in our forums as to the suspicion that New Zealand may harbour unknown secret Surveillance, Transmission or Military bases and that Chemtrail activity or strange aerial phenomena may give some indication as to their presence and possible location. The current interest in Ron Ovendon's Hole-Punch pics over Whatawhata is a case in point.
1. niwa: lumsden. central otago
2. burnham military camp: canterbury
3. waihopai spy base, marlborough
4. wellington radar station (if known, please confirm. apparently joint us/nz run station near mt. victoria area?)
5. palmerston north/levin (is there a facility around there?)
6. waiouru: central south north island
7. whangarei: nz navy? facility there?
This excerpt from Richard M. Dolan's article 'UFO Secrecy and the Death of the American Republic' gives a good indication of the extent of the US military presence around the world, how it is developing and perhaps includes us:
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The American Empire
Lest you doubt that America is indeed a bona fide empire that garrisons the world, consider that according to the Pentagon itself, the U.S. military has 860 bases in 41 foreign countries. That’s twenty percent of all the nations on earth.
But this figure is certainly too low. It leaves out bases in Afghanistan, Iraq, Israel, Kosovo, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Qatar, and Uzbekistan. Chalmers Johnson, in The Sorrows of Empire, argues that the true number is probably closer to 1,000 bases in perhaps more than 50 nations. Unlike during the cold war, when it was possible to learn the specifics about American bases in foreign lands, today much of the jurisdictional information is classified, and so we sometimes don’t know matters as elementary as which nation ‘owns’ a particular base in a particular country.
Military bases are a big part of it, but not the whole story. American troops, once again according to the Pentagon, are currently being stationed in 135 nations of the world. This is seventy percent of the world’s nations. Not all these places have large numbers of troops, it’s true. But many do, and the point is, they’re there. Today, we are told this is in order to defend and advance the noble cause of globalization. This is only part of the truth. In reality, empires are taken and defended in order to win great prizes for those few who are powerful enough to make money from them. This was true with Rome, it was true with Britain, it is true with America today. Globalization is a game with winners and losers, and you can be sure that America’s policy makers (as distinct from the American people) intend to be the winners.
Since World War Two, America has pursued a grand imperial strategy to stake out the globe. Today this strategy wears the scantiest of veils, and America’s leaders now talk openly of "full spectrum dominance." That’s bureaucratese for "we’re taking over the world."
Meanwhile, a profound but silent national security revolution has transformed the country. It is silent because there is still no formal acknowledgment of any real change. As long as the external appearances are the same (e.g. President, Congress, Supreme Court, etc.) most people continue to live under the delusion that things are the same, when in fact they are entirely different.
More than three decades ago, Gil Scott-Heron sang The Revolution Will Not Be Televised. He was right. It wasn’t.
While in the South Island in 2003 we heard of an underground base supposedly near Murchison and staffed, or at least guarded by US soldiers. Sounds unlikely doesn't it? And it gets ‘worse’; apparently evidence of this base can be seen from the road, ventilation stacks or such-like, but according to one of our informants, you only get one chance to see it. The next time you pass, it has gone. He experienced this effect himself during bus trips in the area and had been forewarned that it would happen - he had not, he told us, believed this until it happened to him. This implies some form of psychic protection or at least some cloaking technology that affects the mind. There is much written on this subject, so we cannot dismiss it out of hand. He further told us that there were physical defences also in the form of uniformed men who suddenly appeared if one attempted to approach the base and warn off the 'intruder'.
There are seismic monitoring stations around the country that resemble ventilator stacks, or at least they did to me when I saw a photo of them. So, discarding the weird stuff, could this be what our informant was referring to? But then why would this type of installation be guarded by the military (with American Accents) and just because the non-physical stuff isn't reported by mainstream media doesn't mean it doesn't exist. In fact during that same trip we experienced enough weird stuff to convince us that something very mysterious and secret was associated with the Northern tip of the South Island.
A Military Mystery
Another event for what it's worth; on the way to the Nelson Lakes along Highway 63 we came up behind a non-descript car travelling in the same direction. The speed differential was not great enough to warrant an overtaking manoeuvre, so we were content to sit in behind them. After some time I started to feel that there was something strange about the occupants. The high elevation of the van allows a good view and we could see that there were four men inside the car. What was strange was the way the passengers sat, their posture, very erect and unmoving for kilometre after kilometre, barely a movement - very unnatural. We got closer, from behind it seemed that their heads were identically shaven in a very military way. After a while the driver began to crane his neck to the right as though he was looking for a turnoff and soon slowed and pulled into a farm drive on the left. On the opposite side of the road a 4WD was parked with one occupant. As we passed we got a good, though brief, side view of the men, they were wearing identical military uniforms light tan in colour and we could confirm our impression of the identical shaven heads, definitely military though not recognisable to us. I suppose the impression was American, they were all of a similar age, twenties or early thirties. Behind the van it could be seen that they'd stopped parallel to the road and directly opposite the 4WD. These guys did not appear to be on leave and seeing the country, it seemed more that they were on duty, but the car was not military, it was oldish and very ordinary with standard number plates, nor was the 4WD military.
OK, I know I've gone on a bit about an event that, many would think to be of no consequence but it was strange, and it felt strange, it left a lasting impression on us. In retrospect it was as though the passengers were in the presence of some powerful person, not daring to move. However none of the occupants seemed to fit this description, by the nature of their uniforms they were all apparently of the lower ranks...
We understand that the surveillance facilities in New Zealand such as Waihopai and Tangimoana are in effect US bases and that there are probably many unknown others dotted around the country disguised as something else. They are easy to hide. NIcky Hagar in his book Secret Power describes how researchers in Australia, despite knowing that a particular surveillance facility existed, took years to find it and then only after it closed. It had operated covertly for thirty years in the heart of Melbourne without detection.
Transmission bases, especially of the lower frequency wavelengths are much harder to hide, think HAARP. The lower the frequency, the longer and larger the antenna. It would not surprise me one bit if Tangimoana was found to harbour a transmission facility, something about the surrounding pine forest, that seems designed to hide something other than ordinary buildings, reminds me of this pic and article:
So, secret transmission bases could exist here, but how about secret Military bases? The first reaction would most certainly be no. How could something so large, requiring so many personnel, so much logistical support and management in the transport/supply chain, exist without some very obvious evidence of it?
Let's go out on a limb now and imagine bases deep underground together with secret airborne technology to account for transport and supply. This hypothesis may not in fact be so far fetched. Consider the experience of strange wing-less aerial craft with highly evolved propulsion systems and cloaking technologies that have been recorded on this site and others. It is possible that these craft use power from an EM grid and perhaps this is one connection with Chemtrails…
The evidence of underground bases in New Zealand is admittedly thin on the ground and as far as we know consists of the Murchison story, however, consider the vast material presented by credible researchers on these type of facility in the USA. For example author Dr. Richard Sauder has documented the existence of an enormous system of underground bases and even tunnels that stretches throughout the United States:
There is also much reported about similar underground facilities in Australia, so there is no reason to assume that it does not exist in this country (we used to believe that Chemtrails couldn't happen here)…
Speculation is one thing, solid incontrovertible evidence, let alone absolute proof, is something else. The existent evidence however would indicate that this hypothesis is worthy of consideration. What do you think?
A very well written and thought provoking article.
I would suggest there are a number of US Marine Corps ESG (Embassy Security Guards) personnel stationed at the US Embassy in Wellington and the Consulate in Auckland and perhaps many more at Harewood, Christchurch. Maybe it was some of these men that you saw!
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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:54 am Post Subject:
Hi Azimuth,
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I would suggest there are a number of US Marine Corps ESG (Embassy Security Guards) personnel stationed at the US Embassy in Wellington and the Consulate in Auckland and perhaps many more at Harewood, Christchurch. Maybe it was some of these men that you saw!
Yes, they could have been from any of these places. It was not the fact that these men looked American that got our attention, rather that everything about them seemed very peculiar. Not a sudden realisation upon first seeing the car, but a gradual dawning that something was not right. We could have easily passed them but elected to follow them because of a strong feeling of curiosity. Looking back on the event I suppose it was as if they were on a mission, there for a particular purpose. Their rigid postures, the lack of interest in the beautiful countryside, the older car which did not fit any imagined scenario - it was all this but more, something that perhaps is not easy to communicate in writing. Like when the hairs on the back of your neck stand up and you feel a chill through your entire body, then try to verbalise the justification for your experience in rational terms, can't be done. It's as though a deeper part of yourself recognises something out of place long before the conscious analytical self does and creates a reaction that draws your attention to the subject, sort of like that, part of the autonomic nervous system I supose...
My main motivation for including this experience in the post was to hopefully elicit some feedback from others who have had similar out of context experiences, not necessarily like ours but also strange. Bits of the jigsaw...
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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 12:02 pm Post Subject:
John Anderson wrote:
My main motivation for including this experience in the post was to hopefully elicit some feedback from others who have had similar out of context experiences, not necessarily like ours but also strange. Bits of the jigsaw...
Indeed. And sometimes it can take a step sideways to recognise that something is indeed 'out of context'. Our brains have sophisticated ways of smoothing over 'out of context', particularly in our busy world these days. And it's not just the brain - it's the part of ourselves that doesn't really want to acknowledge, at times, that things just don't fit.
It's important to listen to 'that little voice'... It's very important to develop curiosity and to give it value. We musn't give up our power (or our right) to question.
It would be very interesting to hear from anyone else with similar experiences...
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 8:38 am Post Subject:
When John posted the above maps, we both noted at the time that the 2001-2003 map of US military bases showed none in the African continent.
Well, it seems all that's about to change...
US seeks to Secure Sahara Desert
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The U.S. government will spend $500 million over five years on an expanded program to secure a vast new front in its global war on terrorism: the Sahara Desert....
