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Deano



Joined: 22 Mar 2005
Posts: 710

Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:21 pm    Post Subject: Petrol Prices  

If you're feeling the pinch at the petrol pump spare a thought for the Norwegians. Norway is currently the worlds 3rd biggest exporter of oil and they are paying our equivilent of $2.48 per litre at the pumps. I found this quite staggering.
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Azimuth



Joined: 19 Feb 2005
Posts: 318

Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:44 pm    Post Subject:  

Yes,

but their sardenes are cheap........................... :roll:

I couldn't resist that Deano.

All the best
Azimuth
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Deano



Joined: 22 Mar 2005
Posts: 710

Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:37 pm    Post Subject: CHEEKY AZIMUTH  


Youre back and cheekier than ever hmmm...did you get laid or something :D
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Azimuth



Joined: 19 Feb 2005
Posts: 318

Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:39 pm    Post Subject:  

Sort of,

way......................................laid.

Chicken Little, the Colonel and I have been at a (multiple) funeral.

Quote:
Thousands of chickens killed in road smash
27.09.05 5.00pm

Thousands of chickens have been killed in a road smash in North Canterbury.

The truck and tailer unit they were in rolled on Main Drain Road near Ohoka this morning.

The birds were destined for a processing factory which supplies KFC.

- NEWSTALK ZB

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10347544

Azimuth
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Deano



Joined: 22 Mar 2005
Posts: 710

Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 1:02 pm    Post Subject: Indonesia hikes petrol prices  

Indonesia has drastically hiked the price of petrol despite 2 days of street protests and clashes with the police. The price was raised more than 100% overnight.

Ouch!! ](*,)
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Deano



Joined: 22 Mar 2005
Posts: 710

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 11:34 am    Post Subject: mixed news from tv teletext and vodafone  

The above article on the indonesian hiking fuel 100% i got from Televisions teletext news. However vodafone news says the protests have been peaceful and the hike that hasnt happened yet may only be as much as 50%. Mainstream news once again telling lies to gloss their stories up.
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John Anderson



Joined: 05 Nov 2003
Posts: 387
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:43 am    Post Subject:  

Deano,

the Indonesian fuel situation is one more sorry case of a country losing control of its resources and its citizens being denied the degree of prosperity that would otherwise be due to them. If past NZ governments had acted in the best interests of all New Zealanders, our country would be much more self-sufficient in transport energy, we'd be relatively unaffected by international manipulations - and we'd be paying a lot less at the pump...

Some good background on the Indonesian situation:

INDONESIA: oil sovereignty and economic crisis.
http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2005/642/642p20.htm
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Deano



Joined: 22 Mar 2005
Posts: 710

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:42 pm    Post Subject:  

Yes they should have mass released hybrid cars at least 5 years ago and be releasing full electric cars now. But oh no theres a few more drops of blood to squeeze from the stone yet aye John ... to the downfall of all ...
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Deano



Joined: 22 Mar 2005
Posts: 710

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 6:52 pm    Post Subject: 1.51 pounds for a litre in England  

Deano wrote:
A work associate has just returned from a spell in England. I quizzed him on the price of petrol apparently its one pound fifty one for a litre.


:shock: Gee. That's $3.80 at today's exchange rate! Guess there's always someone worse off!
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Carus



Joined: 22 Feb 2004
Posts: 352
Location: Auckland

Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:01 pm    Post Subject:  

An article I read in the August/September 2005 Nexus issue features an article which is also on their web site. It talks of the Bilderberg annual 'secret' meeting which was held in Germany, May of this year. One subject apparently was of imposing a UN tax on people through a direct tax on oil at the well head.

I wonder how this all fits in with the current rising prices :-k

This taken from the article:

Quote:
Jim Tucker said as much in his Bilderberg report in the American Free Press (23 May) when he wrote: "There was some informal discussion of timing for a vote in the United Nations on establishing a direct global tax by imposing a 10-cents-a-barrel levy on oil at the well-head. This is important to the Bilderberg goal of establishing the UN as a formal world government. Such a direct tax on individuals is symbolically important. Bilderberg's global tax proposal has been pending before the UN for three years but the issue has been blacked out by the Bilderberg-controlled US media."


See full article here:
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/BilderbergExposed.html

Also from the same article, reference to Indonesia:

Quote:
Indonesia–Malaysia Stand-off
A political and military confrontation between Indonesia and Malaysia in the oil-rich Sulawesi Sea (both claim territorial right to the area of Ambalat) was the topic of much animated discussion among several American and European Bilderbergers during Friday afternoon cocktails. An American Bilderberger waving his cigar suggested using the United Nations to "further a peace policy in the region".

In fact, Bilderbergers at the lounge table all agreed that such a conflict might well give them an excuse to garrison the disputed area with UN "Peacekeepers" and thus ensure their ultimate control over the exploitation of this treasure, meaning untapped oil reserves.
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Azimuth



Joined: 19 Feb 2005
Posts: 318

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 10:52 am    Post Subject:  

Hi Carus,

Carus wrote:
......imposing a UN tax on people through a direct tax on oil at the well head.


Hmmm……….UN……….tax…….on people, a scary precedent of things to come. Talking of tax and things to come………..

Quote:
New Zealand meeting its commitments under the Kyoto Protocol in 2008-2012. The Treasury estimated this liability at $307 million. This estimate used the latest projected deficit of 36.2 million tonnes of carbon that New Zealand will incur at US$6.00 per unit.

http://www.treasury.govt.nz/release/kyoto/

I’m looking forward to a proportional amount of this carbon tax being purloined from our wallet$ at the petrol bowser head!!


Regards
Azimuth
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Carus



Joined: 22 Feb 2004
Posts: 352
Location: Auckland

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 1:03 pm    Post Subject:  

Hi Azimuth,

Quote:
I’m looking forward to a proportional amount of this carbon tax being purloined from our wallet$ at the petrol bowser head!!

:lol: :lol: or should that be :( :(

Methinks that horse and cart could come in handy again.
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Azimuth



Joined: 19 Feb 2005
Posts: 318

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 3:13 pm    Post Subject:  

Carus,
:lol: :lol: very good.

Carus wrote:
Methinks that horse and cart could come in handy again.


Me thinks there be Fart Tax return...................soon!


http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0309/S00040.htm

Pooooooh
Azimuth
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Carus



Joined: 22 Feb 2004
Posts: 352
Location: Auckland

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 4:00 pm    Post Subject:  

Pooohh indeed :!:

Another excerpt from the Bilderberg meeting report:

Quote:
No oil spells the end of the world's financial system—which has already been acknowledged by the Wall Street Journal and the Financial Times, two newspapers that are regularly represented at the annual Bilderberg conference. The conclusion: expect a severe downturn in the world's economy over the next two years as Bilderbergers try to safeguard the remaining oil supply by taking money out of people's hands. In a recession or, at worst, a depression, the population will be forced to dramatically cut down their spending habits, thus ensuring a longer supply of oil to the world's rich as they try to figure out what to do.


If this report is true, then the rising oil prices make sense. One can certainly see that people wil be forced to dramatically change their way of life with the shortage and price hikes of oil.
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Jean



Joined: 22 Feb 2004
Posts: 16
Location: Auckland

Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 8:42 pm    Post Subject:  

Hi Carus and all

We are constantly being told that the world is running out of oil and we must pay more for dwindling reserves. And with the growing economy in China and ever more people there using oil we will run out of it in a few years time.

But according to the article below things are not quite as they seem.

Quote:
....it's going to be a long time before we run out of oil. There is plenty of it in Venezuela, Canada, Russia and other parts of the world. At current consumption rates, oil reserve life will be measured in centuries. As consumers we may see this as good news. Whatever happens in the Middle East, there will be plenty of oil in the end. As people concerned about the environment, we may see it as very bad news. Oil will remain cheap for a long time, which may be long enough for serious damage from climate change.


http://www.radford.edu/~wkovarik/oil/5oilreservehistory.html

I wonder if there's a hidden agenda here :?

Or am I just being cynical :shock:
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info4



Joined: 22 Feb 2004
Posts: 165

Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 5:10 pm    Post Subject:  

I saw/heard an article some time ago that suggested to me there is a supply issue in the USA in regard to the number of refineries in the USA


Quote:
The United States experienced a steep decline in refining capacity between 1981 and the mid-1990s. Between 1981 and 1989, the number of U.S. refineries fell from 324 to 204,


I took this at face value but on further investigation though it is not quite as it sounded to me any way.

Quote:
Refinery closures have continued since 1989, bringing the total number of operable U.S. refineries to 149 in 2003.


Quote:
While some refineries have closed, and no new refineries have been built in nearly 30 years, many existing refineries have expanded their capacities. As a result of capacity creep," whereby existing refineries create additional refining capacity from the same physical structure, capacity per operating refinery increased by 28% over the 1990 to 1998 period, for example. Overall, since the mid-1990s, U.S. refinery capacity has increased from 15.0 million bbl/d in 1994 to 16.9 million bbl/d in September 2004. Also in September 2004, utilization of operating capacity at U.S. refineries was averaging around 90%, down from 97% in July and August. Although financial, environmental, and legal considerations make it unlikely that new refineries will be built in the United States, expansion at existing refineries likely will increase total U.S. refining capacity in the long-run.


Once again this tells me you can't take what you hear/see at face value

Info from http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/usa.html
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Carus



Joined: 22 Feb 2004
Posts: 352
Location: Auckland

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:57 pm    Post Subject: The car of the future will run on metal  

Did anyone see this article last month from NewScientist.com?

Powdered metal: The fuel of the future
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/mech-tech/mg18825221.100

Quote:
....Dave Beach, a researcher at Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee, who has come up with a plan to transform the way we fuel our engines. Chunks of metal such as iron, aluminium or boron are the thing, he believes. Turn them into powder with grains just nanometres across and the stuff becomes highly reactive. Ignite it, and it releases copious quantities of energy. With a modified engine and a tankful of metal, Beach calculates that an average saloon car could travel three times as far as the equivalent petrol-powered vehicle.


You need to subscribe to get the full article. I found this comment from a thread in a forum about it:

Quote:
Further benifits include little or no pollution, and the fact that the metalic particles can effectively be re-used.

Problems involve keeping the particles free of oxidation, which inhibits the burning process, and delivering the finely-particulate particles to the combustion chamber. The authors forsee a sort of pre-ignition chamber involved in an otherwise conventional-looking 4-cycle engine.
Interesting.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=46553

No doubt there's a lot of new ideas and solutions being looked into around the world.
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