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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 10:02 am Post Subject: chemtrail issue in nz magazine
hi folks,
the spring edition of "uncensored" magazine has several articles on chemtrails. nothing really new here.. most are taken from global research (canada) and carnicom. there are a few pictures of cts over marlborough.
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Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 1:12 pm Post Subject:
Hi Hieronymous,
Hadleigh drew our attention to this magazine several days ago, so we went out and bought a copy.
As you say, the chemtrail feature is pretty much taken straight from stuff freely available on the internet and almost nothing at all from a New Zealand perspective, except a passing mention in an opening paragraph in the Amy Worthington article (much like the earlier Investigate Magazine effort some years ago, which was almost entirely a reprint of a Will Thomas article).
I recognise several articles, in particular, the 'whistleblower' airline mechanic etc. In fact I would be interested in info4's comments on this. I believe there has been some speculation about the authenticity of this guy's story....
Good to see something from Gary Cook, he is highly respected, and a good guy. And the ancient tree stump and axe (200,000 years ago?) is a fascinating story. We have spoken to Ross Wiseman about it on several occasions and hope to write it up on this site some time. He maintains it is one of the most convincing cases for the existence of long time inhabitants of New Zealand.
Regarding the photos, once again, most of them are familiar chemtrail shots from the web. The two New Zealand photos look to be Betty Rowe's pictures. I recognise the skyline of the landscape and the jetty in the lower left hand corner. I believe Betty sent a few pictures to various people in her early days of trying to get recognition for the activity...
Although their chemtrail feature is fairly sizeable, I reckon if you are trying to present the issue to New Zealanders as being one that affects them, it misses the mark. The reliance on overseas content possibly does not do enough to make any sort of convincing statement about the activity here. The photo from the Marlborough Sounds, while yes it is local, is not the most convincing shot you could print, when you compare it with the staggering overseas chemtrail shots printed on the first few pages. Many people living on flight paths these days wouldn't be convinced by it. Anyone new to the whole chemtrail phenomenon could easily imagine that this is really something only happening overseas.
Had they possibly done a bit more research into chemtrails + New Zealand, they would have surely found our site (currently our Chemtrail Resource page and homepage are number 6 and 7 on Google. The Photo Gallery has been scoring highly almost from day one and receives excellent indexing). We would have no doubt co-operated in providing them with a few more local pics and some of our first hand knowledge of activities here. They might well have printed the URL for these forums and the gallery in their links list etc...
I hope this mag is able to develop and maintain some credibility. It does seem to reprint a lot from the internet and things like the airline mechanic story are very questionable - quite possibly/probably disinformation. They need to be very discerning and scrupulous about what they are presenting, otherwise, they are likely to become tabloid-like and could possibly lose any chance of appealing to a mainstream audience.
I guess my opinion hasn't changed much. What I do know is any modification requires the input of many people from design to purchasing to implementation so it would be hard to do once an aircraft has been sent out into service.
As I also said before a military implementation is a different story. No civil aviation input etc reqd
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 5:43 pm Post Subject:
Thanks for that info4 - I had forgotten about your original comments on the mechanic story.
I have been doing a little reading about Uncensored Magazine and found this from the Herald 23rd of August. Steve Crow is the publisher of the mag:
Sideswipe (NZ Herald) wrote:
In a move commonly known as career suicide Mikey Havoc has teamed up with the guy who wanted to film the birth of a baby for a porno, to bring you a new magazine called Uncensored. Yes, Steve Crow is publishing a low-rent version of Investigate magazine, to be launched with heavy symbolism on September 11. As a contributing editor Havoc has written a rant suggesting the Jacko trial was a deliberate move to distract the world from the Iraq war. Somehow he sees lies everywhere, but has complete faith in Jacko's innocence. However, the truly excruciating parts of his rambling opinion piece are when he goes all evangelical. "I can only imagine how much time I would have had for thinking about other things in my life, if I had never had to worry about what stupid selfish thing George Bush was up to each day. Unfortunately I cannot do that because I happen to have developed a great zest for life and living. I care about the preservation of our species and the planet we live on".
Two of New Zealand's most controversial people - businessman and publisher Steve Crow (best known for his popular Erotica Adult Lifestyle Expos) and editor Jonathan Eisen (Suppressed Inventions and Other Discoveries) have teamed up to create New Zealand's newest magazine - UNCENSORED.
Crow describes it a serious magazine with a "mission".
Somehow I think that the magazine's reputation is somewhat doomed from the outset with a backer like this - there is obviously quite a bit of feeling out there towards Crow and his 'exploits' in the business world. Possibly, ultimately, and sadly, it may do nothing to lend credibility to many of the issues the magazine seeks to present to the NZ public :?
