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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 2:06 pm Post Subject: incredible!!
folks,
unbelievable activity down here in christchurch today. i was driving in riccarton, and to the north, a spray plane was coming along.. a grey beam!! this beam was from horizon to horizon.. the plane was flying just to one side of it, laying down chemtrails. in front of the plane, the beam extended over the port hills and actually divided the altocumulus cloud (alluded to earlier). this chemtrail was huge. the plane was green/black. definitely not an airliner that flies in this country.
i stopped at a petrol station and asked some other to look up.. and explained what this is.. they were completely speechless. they believed that it was military too.
just before this, i saw a paratrooper coming down over burnham area. a plane was going up at a steep angle.. it then appeared to stall.. and nose dive straight toward what looked like christchurch airport! it pulled out of the stall while turning left (west) toward the paratrooper's location...
the sky over canterbury is completely milk white. they are continuing to spray segments all over the place. there is a heavy haze from horizon to horizon.
the altocumulus cloud that was beginning to push in from the south (and that the grey beam parted) was completely gone within one hour. it was replaced by wavy, linear looking fake overcast (cirrus).
there is definitely some big operation cloverleaf boys in town.
sorry, again no pics.. as i was going to a meeting in the car and had no camera with me. now the skies are so milky that pictures of the spraying would not come out too well.
look up folks! any strange stuff in other locations?
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 2:41 pm Post Subject: Re: incredible!!
Hieronymous Bosch wrote:
a grey beam!! this beam was from horizon to horizon.. the plane was flying just to one side of it, laying down chemtrails. in front of the plane, the beam extended over the port hills and actually divided the altocumulus cloud (alluded to earlier). this chemtrail was huge. the plane was green/black. definitely not an airliner that flies in this country.
I'm a little confused. How do you mean the plane was flying to one side of the beam, but that in front of the plane the beam extended over the port hills :-k ??
From our observations and others we have read about the beam usually seems to be dead ahead of the plane... When you say that it divided the cloud, I am wondering if this was more like some sort of shadow effect?
Contrail and shadow over the Nelson Lakes, April 2005. This was dramatic but definitely a shadow effect, early in the morning when the sun was low...
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 4:09 pm Post Subject:
the grey beam extended from horizon to horizon. the plane followed the beam, but was not dead centre. i too thought it was an illusion or mirage effect, but if it was, how would the shadow extend from horizon to horizon whent the chemtrail was only half way across the horizon.
i could understand if the beam was a reflection of the original chemtrail, as in your marlborough photo, but if anyone could explain how a shadow can be made from horizon to horizon from only a small chemtrail segment which was made "afer" the grey beam on the horizon.. and had not yet reached "halfway" across the sky (looking from horizon to horizon).. does this make more sense now?
i could see the plane with naked eye. it was not white like others i've seen before. it was definitely black/green.. i'd guess around 15-20K feet asl
for example:
the ====== is the beam and the chemtrail
Chemtrail
///////////////////////////////////////////=====================///////////////////////////////////
====================Grey Beam===========================
North Horizon-------------------------------------------------------------South Horizon
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:38 pm Post Subject:
well, whatever that was yesterday.. it is gone today..
blue skies.. no visible activity as of 11:30am
seriously, yesterday was definitely bizarre. usually, i can see small segments to the north, and the now and then, the few north south ones over the hills, but yesterday was definitely a ct operation.
re: grey beam. we should have a closer look at shadow activity expected. i have seen cts laid down with no such grey beam or shadow present. i have seen cts laid down at the same exact time of the morning (sun position the same). i've seen cts laid down with similar cloud formation present in the sky.
if this is shadowing effects, then i would be very interested to hear a more detailed explanation to expectations, initial conditions, and environmental optic variables required for this to be visible across the sky.
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:03 pm Post Subject:
Hi Hiero,
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re: grey beam. we should have a closer look at shadow activity expected. i have seen cts laid down with no such grey beam or shadow present. i have seen cts laid down at the same exact time of the morning (sun position the same). i've seen cts laid down with similar cloud formation present in the sky.
if this is shadowing effects, then i would be very interested to hear a more detailed explanation to expectations, initial conditions, and environmental optic variables required for this to be visible across the sky.
For a contrail to produce a thin line non-expanding shadow from horizon to horizon, or what at times must be hundreds of kilometres in front of the craft, is impossible. Shadows are obviously shadows, they grow and move with the contrail, they are a negative image of it. They also require a screen to project upon, i.e., the haze of cirrostratus perhaps. Grey Beams are often seen in a clear blue sky. They cannot be dismissed by creating new variations on the laws of physics. :?
In my research, I have only found one thing that could explain a few sightings labelled Grey Beams, and that is a Distrail (dissipation trail):
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DISTRAIL - The dissipation of a cloud along a path of a vehicle, such as an aircraft. Air turbulence and hot engine exhaust often cause cloud droplets to evaporate along the path of the craft, forming a distrail. This is the opposite of a CONTRAIL, where condensation is encouraged by the aircraft, and occurs at higher altitudes. Distrails often form at lower altitudes through a deck of clouds.
If anyone is interested, this link to Google images will show you what they look like:
It will also be apparent that some genuine Grey Beam sightings will probably be misreported as Distrails, particularly if there is no plane in the frame. Distrails, of course can only form behind an aircraft not in front of it. The only occasion we have seen one, it was at a very low altitude.
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 10:57 am Post Subject:
hi john,
thanks a plenty!
great information.
did not know about distrails. this is very interesting.
this picture looks identical to what i observed.
but, again, what is not resolved, is how the "distrail" could appear in front of the craft. the phenomenon that i witnessed (as well as two others i met at the shell petrol station on riccarton road) was this line extending from horizon to horizon. the plane was flying "alongside" this line.. as if it was being guided by it. the chemtrail then seemed to be attracted to that line, remained, then expanded over time to a huge billowing mass.
also, i did not mention before, but the initial trail segment, coming up from the horizon was huge and extremely dense.. like a ballistic missle launch (which i've observed dozens of times over southern california). the trail the plane was leaving was a bluish-green (right after the craft), then became extremely white, almost fluorescent white.
so, i'm still uncomfortable :? well, that is why we're here. it is "mysterious" new zealand. com afterall, eh? :)
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 2:29 pm Post Subject:
Hi Hiero,
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but, again, what is not resolved, is how the "distrail" could appear in front of the craft
Yes indeed, Distrails, by definition cannot appear in front of a plane - they are a trail, after all. The only possible explanation I can come up with for your experience is that the plane was flying alongside a distrail left by an earlier plane and the trail from a second plane (the one you saw) was sort of 'sucked' into the distrail, attracted to it for some reason. A variation on the 'nature abhors a vacuum' concept. It does seem rather unlikely as an explanation, though one that could be used in desperation in order to avoid acknowledging the true weirdness of the Grey Beam phenomena. :shock:
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also, i did not mention before, but the initial trail segment, coming up from the horizon was huge and extremely dense.. like a ballistic missle launch (which i've observed dozens of times over southern california). the trail the plane was leaving was a bluish-green (right after the craft), then became extremely white, almost fluorescent white.
Your experience here mirrors our own observations, the trails associated with the beams did indeed seem different, very dense and very white and fringed with colours.
There is no denying the association of Grey Beams and Chemtrails, this association is the most compelling of all the evidence for the existence of Chemtrails as a deliberate and sinister man-made phenomena for reasons that the perpetrators must not allow to be known. They also leave us at Mysterious New Zealand with a bit of a presentational problem. In some ways if Chemtrails were just an issue of pollution with some associated public health and global warming issues, then it would be simpler to present to the public and more acceptable to them. Motive doesn't even need to come in to it. But the Grey Beams and also, of course, the very strange UAPs photographed with the trails, turn this whole issue into one that many people would rather not know about. An issue that many would be quite comfortable to being out there on the fringe along with UFOs and alien abductions etc. It is our experience that people instantly recognise, on some semi-conscious level, the threatening nature of this stuff to their very valuable perceptions of the way the world is. And very much do not want to go there... We've seen this effect even with people we know well and who have a track record of interest in the strange and mysterious.
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so, i'm still uncomfortable well, that is why we're here. it is "mysterious" new zealand. com afterall, eh?
Live with it and love it Hiero, one thing we have learnt for sure in our travels is the vastly overrated nature of comfort. :D
hi all. with regards to the phenomenon oberved, there is definitely something else going on here. It is not distrails. Several weeks ago I saw a very similar thing going on. A USAF jet at 20-25K spraying (in a sky that was already swirling with goo and muck), but *ahead* of it it was like the clouds were being cleared.
It had nothing to do with anything conventional.... IE nothing to do with conventional air movement, exhaust, shadows. It was clearly as if something was shooting a beam and the clouds 4-10 seconds in front were being elimated. But not perfectly in front. Possibly, if i had to guess, perhaps a by-product of some electromagnetic-related process emitted. Possibly something else entirely. But not distrails.
keep on being observant & eat your potassium :)
~TS
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 7:45 pm Post Subject:
Hi there and welcome Terrashift,
Thanks for those observations... I think the other point that needs to be made here, is that a distrail is generally only visible in an already cloudy sky - as if parting the clouds. We have seen the grey beam in a perfectly crisp, clear blue sky...
As you say, something else is going on here. Just what the heck it is may even be beyond our ability to speculate...
Hi all
Have been out of action with a "spam-bot" and only back on. Tried sending pics...did they arrive Melody?
Sounds like things are lively from all I have read so far while trying to catch up.
I finally got to see the night-time cts, took pictures,but they did not show the cts.
very strange to observe.
Have had extra heavy activity here for days on end....dozens of lines all day long.Lots of sickness out here.
Will try to get some more pictures and observations.
One thing is that I don't see the gray line out here, while Pamela in Levin sees them often.
I think the cts suck moisture from one place and dump it in another, maybe causing things like Katrina and the one in Taiwan????Anyone else think this is a possibility. If they control the weather, they control the economies of the world.
Hugs Betty
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 3:07 pm Post Subject:
welcome terrashift,
it is extremely perplexing. it is so far from our realm of what we expect, what is in our own experience, that to try an explain that this is not a common effect such as distrails and the like.. is extremely difficult.
my wife also pointed out a ct to me last week, in clear blue sky, that had a dissipating grey beam juxtaposed to it.
melody, yea, uncomfortable with the dissonance, that is all.. i'm a firm optimist. i resonate with this as well:
GOD and fear, do not occupie the same place and time...
and no matter how bad things seem, that that gave you breath in the first place, can do it over and over again
fear and hate are a little inconvienient
when you need to be talking (with the) creative force
you could fear and hate the desructive force
or you can love and accept the creative force
totally your decision
one opens doors, and shuts others
one shuts doors and opens others
we ourselves have not made this cosmic mess
and niether need to feel quilty about it , nor are we required to "fix it"
we can only work on fixing own outlook
cheers,
hiero
terrashift wrote:
hi all. with regards to the phenomenon oberved, there is definitely something else going on here. It is not distrails. Several weeks ago I saw a very similar thing going on. A USAF jet at 20-25K spraying (in a sky that was already swirling with goo and muck), but *ahead* of it it was like the clouds were being cleared.
It had nothing to do with anything conventional.... IE nothing to do with conventional air movement, exhaust, shadows. It was clearly as if something was shooting a beam and the clouds 4-10 seconds in front were being elimated. But not perfectly in front. Possibly, if i had to guess, perhaps a by-product of some electromagnetic-related process emitted. Possibly something else entirely. But not distrails.
keep on being observant & eat your potassium :)
~TS
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 3:16 pm Post Subject:
Hi Betty,
Yes, those nighttime trails are tricky to capture and will need some experimentation and persistence in order to get it right. :-)
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One thing is that I don't see the gray line out here, while Pamela in Levin sees them often.
I'd forgotten that Pamela had seen the Grey Beam, thanks for the reminder. In fact she mentioned it on her very first post:
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First, I must introduce myself and thank John and Melody for allowing me to join this group.
I reside in Levin, my name is Pamela.
I found your introductory post most interesting Azimuth, in particular the 'shadow' effect you observed ahead of the plane.
I observed a similar phenomenon some months ago, and thought I was having a visual problem.
The plane I saw appeared to have a dark line extending from its nose in the direction in which it was flying. It looked as though a line was being drawn in the sky with a large lead pencil against a ruler. It was very straight, and the nose of the plane followed exactly the path the line followed. A white trail extended from the plane and remained for a little over an hour.
I mentioned it to a friend shortly after observing it, and she told me of chemtrail activity where she lives. I had heard nothing of this prior to this discussion, so my observation was definitely in no way 'power of suggestion'.
You suggest that Pamela has seen a number of the beams, we can't find any other reference to them in any of her other posts but it would be interesting to to hear from her about her other sightings...
Here is a quote from Azimuth's post that Pamela refers to:
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During 2002 my wife and I travelled to Nelson for a holiday. One very beautiful cloudless day my attention was drawn to the sky by an extremely long “contrail” being left by a high flying jet. To my amazement I noted a dark straight line that I can only describe as shadow like in appearance extending from the front of the aircraft for a considerable distance ahead. I personally found this odd, a beautiful azure sky, the sun angle and plane position made it impossible to be a shadow cast from the “contrail”. The plane soon disappeared but the trail remained for some hours. I was truly fascinated by this spectacle and put the black line observation down as some form of optical illusion. My wife and another couple with us witnessed this also and thought it odd but weren’t really interested.
And here is a link to the entire thread if anyone is interested:
H - thanks for your post. I find it is soo important to keep optimistic when investigating the matters. Long-term (and short-term), we really DO have a reason to be encouraged. Last year I was not encouraged - because I was oblivious to some stuff and focusing on the bad of what we see - and it kind of made me go crazy for a while.
Interesting link, you have done some homework. It is understandable that you felt like you were losing your mind reading about the Annunaki connection. Those bloodlines have controlled the world since they created us. Have you read Laurence Gardners Genesis of the Grail Kings. It has the entire family tree from the time of the creator gods til today.
