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apparently, a large number of kiwis are stockpiling tamiflu. this poses two interesting and opposing questions:
1. do you think that people are finally catching on? that they don't trust the institutions that enslave them?
2. or, is it that the fear mongering has become so effective that the majority are being pushed into the little cage with the spinning wheel..just as they are planned?
who benefits? the dialectic. yea. either way. drug companies. an engineered flu is big business. a fear mongering campaign is big business.
Government agencies are preparing response plans to a potential bird flu pandemic reaching New Zealand using various scenarios including 20,000 people being hospitalised and more than one million needing medical assistance.
Although I presume this will only be a “paper exercise” in terms of the 20,000 hospitalisations, in reality I fail to see how our present health services would cope! :shock:
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Sector workgroups are being led by the Customs Service, Treasury, Department of Labour, Ministry of Education, Ministry of Civil Defence and Emergency Management, Police, Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade, Ministry of Economic Development, Ministry of Social Development, the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet, and Crown Law.
What, no Defence Force involvement? Surely in such a devastating scenario the NZ Defence Forces would play a major roll, field hospitals, transport, forced quarantines, disposal of the dead etc,etc.
Could this pandemic flu exercise be a guise in preparedness some other disaster?
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The World Health Organisation has recommended governments stockpile supplies of the anti-viral drug Tamiflu
OK then.
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The New Zealand Government has committed $26 million to buying 850,000 doses of Tamiflu -- enough for about one in five New Zealanders.
$26,000,000 / 8500,000 = $30.588 per dose, to be supplied by Roche Products (NZ) Ltd, who say they can not keep up with the demand
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Tamiflu, which must be prescribed by a doctor, is not subsidised by the Government and costs $75. "People seem undaunted by price."
850,000 doses x $75 per dose = $63,750,000 - $26,000,000 = $37,750,000 surplus.
Obviously on top of the flu shot there will be the usual Doctors charge of between $20-$50 depending on where you shop.
So where does the $37,750,000 surplus go :-k
Is it going to be used to fund the pandemic exercise?
Will it go to the various DHBs to help clear long hospital waiting lists? I doubt it.
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In Asia, Tamiflu had no beneficial effect on some people. The drug would only be effective if taken just after coming into contact with the virus, he said. A bird flu pandemic could last for months but Tamiflu was only active for a few days in the body and few people could afford to take it consecutively.
So why bother
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The Ministry advises the following measures to reduce the risk of infection in the event of a pandemic:
* regular handwashing with soap and thorough drying;
* covering your cough or sneeze with a tissue and safely disposing of it in a rubbish bin;
* avoiding contact with others if you are sick and staying home from work to reduce the risk of passing on the infection;
* ensuring you have a week's supply of food and water in the house if you become sick and housebound; and
* having a supply of paracetamol to reduce the fevers of sick people.
Out of this entire article these common sense points are the only thing that stack up, to me anyway. Even then there is a subtle push to buy Panadol.
I suspect there is a little bit of “scare mongering” afoot here. The word “Pandemic”, like the word “Terrorism” strike the very fear of God into people, making us “putty” in their hands, willing us to buy their pricy and “yet to be proved effective” vaccines.
Interesting calculation of dollars Azimuth. Cetainly makes you wonder what's more important - keeping the public safe from a nasty flu or funding some other unknown agenda.
I was interested to read an article that after six years of been banned, thimerisal is now been added to vaccines again in the US. A new flu vaccine called Fluarix has been approved for sale and is been distributed in NZ by GlaxoSmithKline NZ Ltd as a prescription medicine. A consumer medicine information article on http://www.medsafe.govt.nz/consumers/cmi/f/Fluarix.htm details the following ingredients:
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Each 0.5mL dose of FLUARIX contains 15 micrograms of each of the three types of influenza virus fragments in a phosphate buffered salt solution.
The strains may change from year to year.
The vaccine also contains traces of egg protein, gentamicin, formaldehyde, polysorbate 80, octoxinal 9 and a trace amount of thiomersal.
FLUARIX is not made with any human blood or blood products, or any other substances of human origin.
Formaldehyde :!: Yiccch :sick: and thimerisol? Criminal :evil:
I wonder what the chances are of this or some other vaccine being unleashed on the market to combat the bird flu :-k
The last pandemic exercise held in New Zealand was dubbed Exercise Virex which took place between December 2001 and February 2002. It did not paint a pretty picture of New Zealand’s preparedness for such an eventuality.
I also note that two of the worlds leading vaccine manufacturers/suppliers, GlaxoSmithKline and Roche were in attendance.
Scoop
These two articles are in this mornings Herald:
Civil defence chiefs say, don't rely on us - save yourselves
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13.10.05
By Wayne Thompson
Auckland's civil defence chiefs last night launched a blunt new approach to try to get people prepared for an emergency.
Their message: don't rely on us to save you - save yourselves.
Bird flu victims may be forced to fend for themselves
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13.10.05
By Martin Johnston
When the next pandemic of killer influenza finally strikes, hospitals are expected to be so stretched they will handle relatively few cases of the feared disease.
Likewise general practitioners expect to be short-staffed and do not anticipate routinely handling cases at their clinics.
"There will be mass home treatment," Dr Jonathan Fox, president of the College of General Practitioners, said yesterday.
"Self-management and self-reliance will be the cornerstone."
wow. reuters is ratcheting up the fear-mongering campaign big time.
notice the title... "how the pandemic will unfold.."
anybody have any input/comment on reuters? masonic/trilateral pulpit? (which global news agency isn't is the difficult question, i guess) their "news" (using that term lightly) always has a certain new world odor to it..
i remember one of their articles back in 1999 re: y2k.. it was constructed in a similar "hey, here.. visualize this folks" fashion.
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:39 pm Post Subject:
Hieronymous Bosch wrote:
wow. reuters is ratcheting up the fear-mongering campaign big time.
notice the title... "how the pandemic will unfold.."
I see what you mean. This is a bit over the top isn't it?
Reuters wrote:
So how will it start? Perhaps a child whose job it is to care for the chickens will become ill with H5N1. Her desperate mother will tend to her day and night. Inside the child's body the virus will mutate, just a little bit.
She will cough as the virus affects her lungs, causing pneumonia. Her mother will wipe the brow of the feverish, sweating child and unthinkingly bite her hand to hold back the sobs of despair.
Neighbours hug and comfort the mother at the funeral. A week after the child's death, the mother will become ill. News spreads through the village. A nervous neighbour, fearful for her own children, takes them to relatives who live far away.
I see there is some talk of vaccinating the entire New Zealand population if they can get enough supplies. :?
Sorry to burst your bubble Deano……..conceivable you could be arrested and quarantined and forced to have the “jab”.
Here are some excerpts from the Health Act 1956.
Section 70.Special powers of Medical Officer of Health—
(1)For the purpose of preventing the outbreak or spread of any infectious disease, the Medical Officer of Health may from time to time, if authorised to do so by the Minister [or if [[a state of emergency has been declared under the Civil Defence Emergency Management Act 2002]] ],—
(…….)
(e)Require persons to report themselves or submit themselves for medical examination at specified times and places:
(…….)
(l)Use or authorise any local authority to use as a temporary site for a special hospital or place of isolation any reserve or endowment suitable for the purpose, notwithstanding that such use may conflict with any trust, enactment, or condition affecting the reserve or endowment:
Section 79.Isolation of persons likely to spread infectious disease—
(1)If the Medical Officer of Health or any [Health Protection Officer] has reason to believe or suspect that any person, whether suffering from an infectious disease or not, is likely to cause the spread of any infectious disease, he may make an order for the removal of that person to a hospital or other suitable place where he can be effectively isolated.
(2)An order under this section shall be made in every case where the Medical Officer of Health or the [Health Protection Officer] is satisfied that any person who is likely to spread an infectious disease cannot, without removal, be effectively isolated or properly attended.
(3)An order under this section may be executed by the Medical Officer of Health or the [Health Protection Officer], or by any person authorised in that behalf by the Medical Officer of Health or the [Health Protection Officer], and may be executed by force if necessary.
(4)The medical officer or other person in charge of the hospital or other place to which any person is ordered to be removed as aforesaid shall, on the presentation of the order, receive the person to whom the order relates and shall arrange for his isolation in accordance with the requirements of the Medical Officer of Health or the [Health Protection Officer] and, in the case of a person requiring medical treatment, for such treatment, and, unless the Medical Officer of Health otherwise permits, shall detain him, by force if necessary, in isolation until he has been medically examined and found to be free from infectious disease and until he has undergone such preventive treatment as the Medical Officer of Health may prescribe.
(5)Any person who is isolated in accordance with this Act, whether pursuant to an order under this section or not, and who leaves the place of isolation while he is required to be so isolated, may be arrested by any officer of the [Ministry of Health] . . . or by any member of the staff of the hospital or other place of isolation or by any constable, without warrant, and delivered forthwith to the same or another suitable place of isolation, and detained there pursuant to subsection (4) of this section.
(6)Every person commits an offence against this Act who wilfully disobeys an order under this section, or who obstructs or delays or in any way interferes with the prompt execution thereof, or who, being isolated in accordance with this Act, leaves or attempts to leave the place of isolation without proper authority.
PART 4 — QUARANTINE
Deals with the quarantine of ships, aircraft etc arriving in New Zealand.
Over the years I have had personal experience with sections of this Act, in particular detaining people suffering or suspected of suffering from TB.
As you can see there are very wide ranging powers contained within this enactment, would they use them in the event of a human out break of H5N1, you bet yah.
I heard some news on the radio this morning that it would be unlikely for NZ to be affected by the virus as we don't have the type of birds coming into the country that the disease is affecting. If it mutated to allow the disease to be passed on through humans then it would be a different story.
Here's another article saying that the virus, in its present state, is a low risk to humans.
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European health experts have advised consumers to cook poultry and eggs "thoroughly" to minimise the risk of contracting the bird flu that has killed 60 people in the Far East, while also stating that the H5N1 virus, which has been detected in Turkey and Romania, presents a "very low risk to human health".
Certainly gives a different impression that others being bandied about at the moment.
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 11:37 am Post Subject: Chip gives Quick Flu Diagnosis
Well, this is ingenious:
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A new "chip" can test for 11 different influenza strains, including avian flu, in less than a quarter of the time it now takes to diagnose flu in patients, US researchers said.
And here's the justification:
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There are quick tests for influenza, but they only tell if a patient has it or not and do not differentiate among strains. The flu virus mutates constantly and several different strains can be circulating at any time.
Influenza kills anywhere between 250,000 and 500,000 people globally each year, but health experts expect a pandemic could emerge that would kill many more.
The main threat now is the virulent H5N1 avian flu virus infecting chickens in parts of Asia and Europe. It has so far infected 123 people and killed half of them. But it could mutate into a form that passes easily from person to person.
123 people infected therefore a possible pandemic :?: How ridiculous :!:
And look a what the benefits are:
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"This new technology should help provide better global influenza surveillance......
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 10:19 am Post Subject:
They just don't let up do they? They'll have their microchip implants one way or another.
If you think that's scary, read this. A privatised animal tracking database in the US and the possible demise of the small farmer and self-sufficient lifestyler...
1. What is the NAIS? A scheme hatched by the federal government and corporate agribusiness to tag every animal in the US with an identity number and to track every animal through processing. The excuse for it is the discovery of two cases of mad cow disease (BSE or bovine spongiform encephalopathy).
2. What does it require? It requires every farm in the country to register as a “premises.” Each registered premises will then have to register & tag every alpaca, bison, cow, emu, goat, horse, llama, sheep, swine, and all poultry. (As far as we know right now, catfish and goldfish are exempted.) It provides no exemptions. If you have as much as one chicken, you must register.
3. What does it mean? This is not about controlling disease, it’s about controlling farmers. When social security was first introduced, the government promised the people that the number would never be used for “identification purposes.” But today you can’t get health care, insurance, a bank account, an apartment, a job, or your tooth pulled without giving a social security number.
4. Isn’t it voluntary? Only for now. The present USDA “Draft Strategic Plan” calls for making it mandatory by January 2008. “Mandatory” means that they will fine, arrest, or jail you if you refuse to comply. For the system to work, the government obviously must force every farm and every farmer to register every animal, and no one will be able to seek veterinary care, transport, sell, or process animals without registry. In other words, the freedom to farm that has belonged to mankind since Creation will be abolished.
5. Who and what is behind the NAIS? According to the USDA National Animal Identification System (NAIS) Draft Strategic Plan 2005 to 2009, page 3, paragraph 1, at http://animalagriculture.org/aboutNIAA/members/memberdirectory.asp, “In 2002, the National Institute of Animal Agriculture (NIAA) initiated meetings that led to the development of the U.S. Animal Identification Plan (USAIP).” “Driving force – The strongest driving force for developing the NAIS is the risk of an outbreak of a foreign animal disease (FAD). There is broad support for NAIS among government, industry, and public stakeholders.” (“Stakeholders are defined as those individuals and groups in the public and private sectors who are interested in and/or affected by the Department's activities and decisions.” http://www.ci.doe.gov/cigapol.htm.)
6. Who is the National Institute of Animal Agriculture? NIAA website states, “The mission of the National Institute for Animal Agriculture is to provide a forum for building consensus and advancing solutions for animal agriculture and to provide continuing education and communication linkages to animal agriculture professionals.” http://animalagriculture.org/aboutNIAA/facts/factsheet.asp. In fact, the NIAA is a national agribusiness organization whose purpose appears to be lobbying government for laws and policies that favour agribusiness. A brief glance at the board of directors seems to confirm that, since all are drawn from agribusiness companies, industry groups, or schools of agriculture (which notoriously favour corporate agribusiness over small farmers and sustainable agriculture). http://animalagriculture.org/aboutNIAA/leadersstaff/BOD.asp. A list of members leads to the same conclusion. http://animalagriculture.org/aboutNIAA/members/memberdirectory.asp.
7. Who will bear the burden of NAIS? Small farmers, and especially those engaged in the New Agriculture (“permaculture” or “sustainable agriculture”). First, they will be forced to pay for NAIS, at least in part. Second, they will be forced to work for NAIS. In the words of the NAIS Draft Strategic Plan, page 14, paragraph 3, “All groups will need to provide labour.” NAIS will add yet another cost disadvantage to small farmers and the New Agriculture, and will make local agriculture less competitive with agribusiness. http://animalagriculture.org/aboutNIAA/members/memberdirectory.asp.
8. Won’t NAIS help prevent and control disease? No, NAIS isn’t about preventing or controlling disease, it’s about marketing. When a case of mad cow disease (or any other disease) surfaces, NAIS aims to protect meat producers’ markets by tracking animals through processing to “prove” that only a few animals are affected and so prevent a public revulsion against their meat. The most effective way to control disease is to produce meat and milk for local instead of national markets and “closed herd” techniques.
It really is quite far reaching. I can understand the benefits for RFID technology in off the shelf products but draw the line with microchips in living things. It just doesn't seem right at all. Also with RFID tags the option for these things to be turned off or deactivated once you leave the store makes good sense and ideally would be standard practice on the basis of respect for people's privacy.
The way these technologies are developing shows no common sense or consideration for public concerns in the long term. There is no appreciation of the sacredness of life and living things.
I heard a part of an interview on the radio today with a lady who was involved with some sort of gene development with chickens. Seems like it would produce a new strain of birds that wouldn't be affected by the present virus. They would produce a few and then see what the response was like from commercial sectors and the public. All I could think was ' well don't make the ..... virus and put it in the birds in the first place!!!!'
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Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 11:13 am Post Subject:
is this the tip of the iceberg for tamiflu?
the media (tv3) in nz is already putting a spin on this.. that "it is speculated that the japanese are "more prone to report the side effects" than other countries". can you believe that spin doctoring?
I think word is getting around about this bird flu not being what it seems and isn't it interesting how the subject has dropped away in the media??
I received this email (being one recipient of many - yes one of those bulk send outs) which may be of interest to others here:
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"Bird Flu"
Do you know that 'bird flu' was discovered in Vietnam 9 years ago?
Do you know that barely 100 people have died in the whole world in all that time?
Do you know that it was the Americans who alerted us to the efficacy of the human antiviral TAMIFLU as a preventative.
Do you know that TAMIFLU barely alleviates some symptoms of the common flu?
Do you know that its efficacy against the common flu is questioned by a great part of the scientific community?
Do you know that against a SUPPOSED mutant virus such as H5N1, TAMIFLU barely alleviates the illness?
Do you know that to date Avian Flu affects birds only?
Do you know who markets TAMIFLU?
ROCHE LABORATORIES.
Do you know who bought the patent for TAMIFLU from ROCHE LABORATORIES in 1996?
GILEAD SCIENCES INC.
Do you know who was the then president of GILEAD SCIENCES INC. and remains a major shareholder to this day?
DONALD RUMSFELD, the present Secretary of Defence of the USA.
Do you know that the base of TAMIFLU is crushed aniseed?
Do you know who controls 90% of the world's production of this tree?
ROCHE.
Do you know that sales of TAMIFLU were over $254 million in 2004 and more than $1000 million in 2005?
Do you know how many more millions ROCHE can earn in the coming months if the business of fear continues?
So the summary of the story is as follows:
Bush's friends decide that the medicine TAMIFLU is the solution for a pandemic that has not yet
occurred and that has caused a hundred deaths worldwide in 9 years.
This medicine doesn't so much as cure the common flu.
In normal conditions the virus does not affect humans. Rumsfeld sells the patent for TAMIFLU to ROCHE for which they pay him a fortune.
Roche acquires 90% of the global production of crushed aniseed, the base for the antivirus.
The governments of the entire world threaten a pandemic and then buy industrial quantities of the product from Roche.
So we end up paying for medicine while Rumsfeld, Cheney and Bush do the business.
ARE WE CRAZY!!? OR ARE WE IDIOTS!!?
AT LEAST PASS THIS ON SO THAT IT CAN BE KNOWN!!
I don't know the original source of this information to give any links or background as to where it came from.
Also this from a local rag:
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I have known for some time that Donald Rumsfield, a henchman of GW Bush, was a large shareholder in the company that manufactures the product TAMIFLU, the same product being promoted as being your best bet to surviving the said Bird Flu. Don't you find a conflict of interest here; don't you wonder anything at all? (This information finally made into the NZ Herald recently). Jonathan presented evidence that the CDC in Atlanta (Centre for Disease Control - the place where viruses like Anthrax are stored, the very place that the underground press believes that AIDS originated from, which was subsequently overlaid into vaccinations such as smallpox and Hepatitus B) has been manipulating the virus to improve its transmissibility amongst the human population. What the BLEEP is going on here on planet Earth?
The following web site is referenced at the beginning of the article that this quote was taken from: www.davincibooks.com
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Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 11:18 am Post Subject:
Interesting stuff Carus. I think the Jonathon referred to will be Jonathon Eisen from over at Uncensored Magazine. Da Vinci books are now an affiliate of Uncensored and Eisen now presents lectures at the store down in New Lynn on a regular basis...
What is the local rag by the way, Carus? And what form did the excerpt you include take?
The magazine is called the Roundabout and has a lot of information about local events and business. The excerpt was taken from a one page article headed up Da Vinci Books with the address and talked about new stock coming into store and their documentary evenings.
Yes, you're right Melody, it was Jonathan Eisen with Katherine Smith presenting a lecture on the topic of Bird Flu - Manufactured?..And Herbal Remedies. The article discussed some of the things that were presented.
Has anyone seen the ads on TV advertising Tamiflu for use with the common cold ? What a joke. Maybe the government doesn’t think there will be a bird flu outbreak after all and are trying to recuperate that $25 million spent on 850,000 doses of it!
There are reports from around the world that Tamiflu could be the cause of some odd behaviour especially in children. Japan has now put the following on their labelling of Tamiflu.
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The Japanese Tamiflu label now warns that disturbances in consciousness, abnormal behavior, delirium, hallucination, delusion and convulsion may occur. It also recommends patients be carefully monitored and the drug stopped if any abnormality is observed.
But, if you want an alternative to Tamiflu, another article linked off this one says that research has shown that happy people tend to be healthy and catch fewer colds.
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People who are happy, lively, calm or exhibit other positive emotions are less likely to catch colds and report fewer symptoms of the illness when they are under the weather.
The new finding held true regardless of personality traits such as optimism, extraversion and self-esteem. A person’s age, race, gender, education and body mass also did not make a difference.
