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Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 5:16 pm Post Subject: Where's the Plane, Suzy?
This post is for all those who love a good mystery, and in particular for -Energizer+, who asked:
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Any idea as to the type of aircraft involved or are they too far away/above to make out? Wheres that industrial strength telephoto lens when you need it?
Indeed, we would love to have that killer lens -Energizer+, but for a while will have to make do with what we've got and push Photoshop to its limits.
Here's an interesting pic, a presumably standard international flight on its way to Auckland from Japan, Hawaii or somewhere, seen over Cooper's beach, Doubtless Bay, Northland.
Nothing obviously strange here about the plane, although the trail itself is somewhat anomalous as from the shallow elevation and it's closeness to us it would almost certainly be flying at a relatively low altitude, say, 20,000 feet or so. The pic was taken in February this year. At that altitude and at that time of year there absolutely should not be a Persistent Trail, even at twice the altitude. We have reliable info that indicates that even in the depths of winter Persistent trails at this latitude should be very rare. And indeed they used to be, in fact in many visits to the far North over many years, neither of us had seen even one - until February this year.
So that's a mystery, but here's a bigger one and one designed to disturb the average comfort zone...
The above pic was one of our Marlborough April 2003 series taken from near the spy base at Waihopai. To reveal the aircraft making the trail we just enlarge in Photoshop - and what do we find?
Nothing! Where's the Plane? Now of course the cautious amongst us will say that the plane must be hidden in the haze. But if we look at the previous pic, it is in fact obvious that the trail is being created under the Cirrus cloud in the background as the shadow of the trail is clearly projected onto the Cirrus.
So, no plane when it should be clearly visible. There is a 'disturbance' ahead of the beginning of the trail that indicates that something is there, and is being cloaked. If that is the case, you would then have to ask why. What is there to hide? This pic is not an exception, it is one of a series of this particular trail, none of which show a plane...
Here's another mystery pic:
Yes, the mysterious Grey Beam (AKA Black Beam or Grey Line, Black Line etc). And what do we find when we enlarge?
Once again, nothing! Go larger...
We are overstepping the limits of Photoshop now, but we can clearly see that there is no plane. This pic is also one of a series, none of the pics indicate any trace of a craft. The trails without planes also seem to be typified by a certain look, they seem to be denser and sometimes show pink and green colours around the edges.
The low planes and the no planes phenomena are just two of the reasons for labelling certain Persistent Trails as Chemtrails and for thoroughly dismissing the "this is normal" response to them.
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Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 12:38 am Post Subject:
Hi Info4,
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Do the grey beams appear (from your research and observation) to be straight as an arrow
When we first saw them, the immediate thought was LASER.
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I ask as to consider what kind of technology would produce such a beam and for what purpose
Your guess is as good as mine - they aren't going to tell us are they...
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I wonder with the aircraft that cant be seen is it consistent with the grey beam being visible
I'm not sure if I understand your question, but if you mean are the planes not visible in every case of Grey Beam sightings, then the answer is: only in some world-wide reports. In others aircraft are clearly visible. I have heard that some observers have reported craft that 'morph' though, which is quite intriguing...
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Why would the craft be invisible
I was wondering here if the craft was so out of this world in shape and design that it needs to be hidden.
That's a fair assessment.
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I wonder where they land
Well, there are the secret bases in Australia. These days the technology and refuelling capability is such that aircraft can remain aloft for weeks, so they could take off and land anywhere. On the other hand they could be inter-dimensional. :shock: Given the associated weird technologies, nothing would surprise me...
BTW how are you getting on with your research into standard international flight paths into and out of NZ? It would be useful for us to be able to create a map of normal vectors so that anomalous stuff can be easily recognised. Get on with it… :-)
BTW how are you getting on with your research into standard international flight paths into and out of NZ? It would be useful for us to be able to create a map of normal vectors so that anomalous stuff can be easily recognised
Interestingly I had a long talk with an AirNZ pilot on the phone last night and he gave me a few tips into where the information is available. Basically the pilots have books they consult with that gives them guidelines towards "preferred routes".
I asked him the following question, "If is was in Palmerston North and I looked up and saw an aircraft flying up or down country could I tell if it was going to Wellington Canterbury Palmerston North based on its height and heading" and he answered "Yes".
He mentioned several times the term "Preferred routes" meaning the have guidelines but not YOU MUST FLY FROM HERE TO HERE AT THIS HEIGHT.
He did however saw that when flying within NZ the must fly at "even" altitudes and when flying North the must fly at "odd" altitudes.
The same applied when heading to Australia they are at even and when coming from Aust to NZ they are at odd altitudes.
As soon I can I will go find the book and it should help big time. He referred to it as a bit like a road map for planes so this will go some way to giving us what we are looking for.
The black line appears to be a shadow.. It might have been helpful to document the position of the sun in relation to the trail.
And it is entirely possible that the plane has simply blended in.. And you make the common assumption that just because you can zoom in you are actually seeing more detail - this is 110% false.. If a plane is invisible at 100% then why should the plane be visible at 200%? It shouldnt.. its still the same amount of pixels and they are still the same colour and size.
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 1:25 pm Post Subject:
Tod wrote:
The black line appears to be a shadow.. It might have been helpful to document the position of the sun in relation to the trail.
And it is entirely possible that the plane has simply blended in.. And you make the common assumption that just because you can zoom in you are actually seeing more detail - this is 110% false.. If a plane is invisible at 100% then why should the plane be visible at 200%? It shouldnt.. its still the same amount of pixels and they are still the same colour and size.
tod,
i've read some of your posts in replies to old threads. it appears that you are trolling on this forum, and therefore, should be ignored.
yet, i feel compelled to at least point you to a thread that i started some months ago. cloaking technology is real. the us navy and airforce hold patents on this technology. do us all a favor and look it up. the data had been previously posted on this forum.
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Location: Wellington NZ
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 10:55 pm Post Subject:
Im glad Tod bumped this up, its an interesting thread even to someone well into this stinky situation.
The third pic down at the top, the super zoom using photo shop, appears to my eye to be a rocket, or some type of barely visible long slender craft, definately not a jet. But others cant see anything there so......
As for the blackline being a shadow....lol...and what is causing the shadow? First of all, to see a shadow, you need the shadow to be reflected onto something solid to see it, which in the case of the photo would be thin air. How does a shadow become visible in thin air?
Secondly, you need something there to cast that shadow, before it hits something and becomes visible.
What is casting the shadow? it cant be the trail behind the craft, I cant imagine a scenario that would cause such an event as that photo captured when aiming to call it a shadow, perhaps if the line was beside the trail running parralel this argument would have some weight.
