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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 6:48 pm Post Subject: Unsure about "chemtrails"
Greetings my fellow conspiracy theorists, I have been researching 911 and other strange events for about half a year now and yesterday I stumbled onto this forum when searching for information on what I had just witnessed in the sky just above my home in Auckland. Yesterday at approximately 12pm I witnessed a large commercial aircraft leaving a thick white trail stretching out as far as I could see, the plane had a white belly and didnt appear to have any unique markings - it just looked like any other plane I had seen in the past.
Bieng the curious person I am I called up my father who has been a licensed pilot since about 1980 and asked him what he thought of all this.. he explained it to me that these trails are a natural phenomena which occur under certain specific circumstances pertaining to temperature and height.
Now, I also found several other websites with information on "chemtrails" but one specific picture caught my eye
You see, until I saw this picture I was convinced that what I had seen in the sky had been deliberately sprayed, but after seeing pictures of "chemtrails" as far back as World war 2.. I start to see that it was nothing but paranoia. .
If contrails have always existed then who came up with the idea that they were bieng deliberately sprayed? Where is the proof?
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 11:26 am Post Subject:
Tod, it appears that because your father is a pilot and he says that:
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he explained it to me that these trails are a natural phenomena which occur under certain specific circumstances pertaining to temperature and height.
...and from this you close your mind and become an instant debunker, a faux sceptic.
There are members here who have done years of considered research on the subject, who have seen much of an anomalous nature - and recorded it, and who participate here in intelligent and open dialogue, all in the spirit of learning more and growing in understanding. You join this forum to apparently put all these individuals right, to show them the error of their ways and you do it by derogatory comments and attempts at ridicule. It would seem that you are not only arrogant, but too lazy to do genuine and considered research of your own.
And yes, we do know that contrails and persistent contrails have been around for a long time and you would have known that we know this if you had read in depth some of the threads here. for example, this from a thread you posted to, obviously without reading it all:
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you will find that we encourage intelligent and informed discussion on this forum and you will find plenty of it here if you search out our archives. If you are indeed a pilot (personally I doubt it - more like a student), you will have a better than average knowledge of condensation trails, the common short-lived variety and the less common persistent trails. The latter variety have been seen in the sky since the Spanish Civil War and were indeed a problem for the Allies during the Second World War, as they were a clear indicator to fighter and ground artillery as to the presence and precise location of high flying B17 bombers. If you go here you will find a 1942 NACA report that details this concern and explores remedies:
So yes, yes we know about Persistent Trails. We also know that they used to be relatively uncommon and associated with highly specific meteorological conditions. You will find in the above mentioned NACA report details of zones of occurrence where this aspect is detailed in map form for the Northern hemisphere. The report does not give detail for the Southern Hemisphere, however the reciprocal zones can easily be extrapolated from the Northern Hemisphere data. If you do this you will discover that for PTs to appear in say the Far North of New Zealand in any season, at any altitude, would require unusual conditions. Now they are common there at any time of year, even mid summer. Strange wouldn't you say? In the late nineties this anomalous sightings of PTs occurred in many locations around the world to the astonishment of residents who had never seen them before, and to the mystification of atmospheric scientists. The predictive model that these scientists had used for decades (since 1941) suddenly did not work anymore. Although they have since come up with an answer, it is a decidedly dodgy one that has left many in the scientific community highly dissatisfied.
This particular subject is just one of many associated with Chemtrails and I have merely touched on it. I particularly chose it because it seems that you imagine that we label every sighting of a Persistent trail as a Chemtrail. Not so. Although some in the forum are a little loose with their terminology at times, we do tend to know the difference. Chemtrails are associated with certain anomalies. If you are really interested in understanding more about this phenomena yourself, rather than just joining to point out what fools we all are to believe in such stuff, then you will be willing to explore in depth the archives of this forum where you will find much enlightening debate and reports.
Tod, to me you exhibit all the hallmarks of a forum troll and are thus under warning that we do not tolerate trolls for long in this forum.
