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Joined: 05 Nov 2003
Posts: 387
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 11:38 pm Post Subject: Chemtrails and Fronts
Hi All,
An extract from Hiero's superb post in reply to Salub the troll:
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...we at this forum take this subject seriously. many in this group have taken much time and effort to produce scientifically observable evidence to support the chemtrail hypotheses. i'm sure the administrators will post more information on what this group is all about...
Indeed, we have much material approaching readiness for publishing on Myst NZ. We do take the subject seriously and aim for high ideals of balance and rightness with what is presented on Myst NZ (everything, not just the CT stuff) and thus tend to be cautious with regard to our conclusions. Also we are mindful of the experience of other CT sites especially how they sometimes leave themselves open to attacks from, not only sceptics and debunkers like Salub, but to honest critics who are capable of recognising bad science or at least someone with an incomplete understanding of the science behind contrail formulation etc. Myst NZ has one chance to do it right in presenting the reality and danger of the Chemtrail phenomena. We cannot afford to jump to conclusions or present what others say as gospel without applying critical examination and extensive research to it ourselves.
We need some help from those in a position to frequently observe Persistent Contrails/Chemtrails in their region and can make connections with certain weather patterns, in particular, fronts. It is apparent from some of the posts that there is already some understanding of such a connection.
In Auckland we do not see very many trails and certainly do not have the opportunity to associate any kind of weather pattern with them. On our trips around the country where we have been fortunate to be in the right place at the right time on a number of occasions and captured hundreds of pics of not only a great variety of trails but evidence of all manner of strange technologies associated with them. But were not in one place long enough to make any frontal weather connections. Indeed our experiences were probably marked by an absence of such patterns.
This connection between fronts and persistent trails seems to be an important one. Traditionally, fronts are associated with rain, cold fronts with storms and lots of rain, They are also associated with Cirrus clouds and persistent trails...
"Mackerel skies and mare's tails (cirrus formations, contrails) make tall ships set low sails"
This mnemonic has been an 'over the horizon' means of weather forecasting for hundreds or thousands of years, used by mariners in particular to predict that a front may be approaching.
As we understand it the basic idea is that a front creates ideal conditions for the creation of persistent trails by pushing huge amounts of warm moist air high into the freezing upper Troposphere where saturated water vapour, given the presence of suitable aerosols in the air, sublimes into ice crystals and forms Cirrus or is 'provoked' by the exhaust of a passing jet into forming persistent trails. Thus persistent trails have long been associated with both precise meteorological conditions at specific altitudes and the colder seasons of the year (and more Northern and Southern latitudes of course). We have, for example, a confidential NACA report on this very subject, issued in 1942.
So, trails of the persistent kind were not rare, as such, but were most definitely uncommon except in the above mentioned circumstances. Things changed in the mid to late nineties when scientists noticed that PTs did not conform to the long accepted model (Schmidt-Applemann criterion) and frantically began an investigation into why. We will, at another time, go into this saga at length but suffice to say that their conclusion was that it must be due to modern cleaner burning jet engines (less than 0.0004 ounces of soot per one pound of fuel burned - and 1.26 pounds of water vapour). They decided this on the basis of one comparison test between a modern Airbus and an older Boeing. Yes, not very scientific, in fact very dodgy. And many scientists think so too...
This 'scientific' finding is now used to explain why we can now see Persistent Trails in mid summer and relatively low altitudes in places such as the Far North of New Zealand where once they would never be seen there at any time of year. Of course, there are also other 'non-scientific' possibilities also, as we all know, such as the spraying of certain aerosol substances and modifications to jet fuel...
Anyway back to fronts. In earlier times planes leaving PTs in advance of approaching fronts did not prevent the usually associated rainstorms. Now it seems that they do and reports detailing this effect of spraying - then no rain, proliferate on the web. People all over the world have drawn a connection between PTs and drought.
For example, from today’s news:
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Australia is experiencing one of its worst droughts in a century, which Treasurer Peter Costello has said was dampening the country's economic growth...
And from our correspondent Peter Melov of Sydney:
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We are almost in the 3rd year of drought, and all we need to brake the drought is 4 DAYS RAIN. Yet we havent had 4 days continuous rain in 2 and a half YEARS, we keep getting it forecast, but then just before the front comes, these aircraft appear, then these long lines, that turn into cloud, then .....haze, and surprize, surprize, the rain becomes intermittent showers, that dont fall in the catchment area,.... again, how surprising. To have continual forecasts for rain then, have it not come,,or not cross into the mainland area, and actually have it reported on the weather reports, time and time ....again, that the rain will be coastal, again and again, month after month, as strong depressions sit off the coast, and do not pass the coast...defies belief, it is so obvious, the weather is being, MAN,ipulated.
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Hey, people, this Sunday please watch this 60 Minutes story about the ''drought'', this is the next stage. An artificially induced drought, and Carr is talking about a nuclear reactor to power the ''desalination'' plant. This plant has been estimated to cost at least 2 billion.
Again people, we are about to enter a new phase of severe water restrictions.
By early next year, we will have 25 percent water, left in Warragamba, at present we have 8 percent in Goulbourn dam, 6 percent in Bathurst dam,.
What will happen with the new laws? How will our lives change?
And will we ever see regular rain again, once these new 'laws' are implemented?
Though it is stated above that we are not able to make a weather pattern and PT connection, come to think of it, there has actually been comment on this forum of quite a long period in Auckland of many forecasts of rain that did not eventuate...
It would be great to get more related comment on the issue of fronts and trails from those forum members that due to their location and PT (or CT) observing experience are qualified to do so.
Joined: 09 Jun 2005
Posts: 266
Location: Christchurch
Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 10:24 am Post Subject:
hi john,
great post.
here are my observations in canterbury so far:
1. chemtrail planes appear in military precision juxtaposed to an incoming storm front approaching from the southwest tasman sea. in canterbury, this sets-up the bernoulli effect aka: "norwest". during the norwest, one can sometimes detect a "norwest arch" of mid high-level clouds due to this effect. many chemtrails are laid at the edges of this "norwest arch". or in parallel lines (west to east) over the southern alps (arthur's pass region).
2. single chemtrails are sprayed in a less agressive manner almost daily, but always north to south (in the absence of the norwest conditions mentioned above).
3. chemtrails, during an easterly, (coastal low cloud) are most often laid in a parallel formation (north to south)... starting from about christchurch city (or just west of it) over to about sumner (east).
4. chemtrails appear to be completely absent during a "high pressure" area that is sitting directly over (or stabilized very close to) new zealand. for example, last week, a large stubborn high pressure proceded over new zealand (west to east) over the north island. there were no observable chemtrails for some four or five days as this system moved over.
Marlborough is supposedly in desperate need of rain, yet that is all we seem to have out here in the Sounds.
We get daysof trails, then days of rain with very little sunshine hours. The temperature ranges from extremely hot to extremely cold in just 24 hours or less.
Five more of my goats died with this awful foaming in their mouths and I have been quite unwell myself. There is a metallic haze with the rain, like it is hanging in the air. The land around my house looks awful....nothing wants to grow much. Not a Lily in sight out front where there once were hundreds. The ones out back grow sometimes,but these are sheltered from the direction the trails usually come through in and they are here nearly every day.
Everyone is sick in Marlborough it seems with very similar symptoms.
Hugs Betty
Heavy chemtrails on the western side of the lower north island yesterday. Weather was free of cloud cover then. Today, heavy cloud cover widespread with drizzly rainy patches. I too have noticed the fine days with heavy CT activity which are closely followed by cloudy rainy days. The CT lines all have stop and start points and I have witnessed lines being laid from both the south moving north and the north moving southwards, occasionally at the same time. In the near future I hope to buy a digital camera and will be visually documenting all activity in this region.
Joined: 05 Nov 2003
Posts: 387
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 6:57 pm Post Subject:
Thanks everyone for your responses,
I cannot say at this point that I understand it all, there does not seem to be a discernible pattern to explain what is being done - and why (weather-wise).
It would be nice to have it as simple as Peter Melov's example: a front approaches, planes lay trails, it does not rain... :?
From what I understand, in order for a front to produce rain, there is required to exist an enduring separation (interface) between the cold and the warm air masses. What the trails seem to do is to create an amalgamation of these bodies of air. In effect, destroying the front. The aluminium or Barium based chemicals then 'suck' the moisture from the air further preventing precipitation.
More observations and help in understanding the 'New Zealand model', if it exists, would be greatly appreciated.
Betty that all sounds horrific. :shock: I bet you're looking forward to summer. It seems to me that perhaps as a result of the low-level spraying of your house and surrounds back in the year 2000 you may have become hypersensitive to the chemicals, maybe the goats too. We plan to have more to say in Myst NZ on that particular event in due course.
Joined: 09 Jun 2005
Posts: 266
Location: Christchurch
Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 6:07 pm Post Subject:
hi john,
actually, i beg to disagree. i believe we have considerable observational data to infere the following:
1. agressive chemtrailing occurs most often directly proceeding a cold front. this is when warm air is being displaced by the colder air behind the front.. causing a rapid lifting of particulate matter proceeding the front. this is the perfect weather "window" for chemtrails to form, spread, and rise* (in the atmospheric escalator)
2. chemtrailing activity increases in areas in new zealand as the fronts approach. for example, canterbury may get chemtrails earlier than wanganui, as the front is closer to that particular area, but as the front slips up the country, the other areas begin to get sprayed (this occured in several posts as hadleigh/deano had witnessed more agressive chemtrails (half day AFTER) i had reported them here. although, sometimes it occurs simultaneous (especially if front is approaching from a more westerly, than southwesterly direction)
3. chemtrails appear to be directly related to weather modification and/or weather testing and/or weather interference of the atmosphere.
4. chemtrails (at least in canterbury) appear not to have the effects reported of the "drying out" of preciptation. our precipitation is fairly average and even after chemtrailing proceeding a front, there appears to be similar patterns of rainfall (again.. simple observation over course of a few years)
5. chemtrail activity increases "along" an incoming "cold front".
6. there is little activity in a "dying southerly" (air is too cold and dense.. the chemtrail would descend more rapidly into the lower atmosphere).
7. chemtrails not observed too readily proceeding a warm front. wamr fronts do not have the huge lifting effects as cold fronts (in the cold air proceding the warm air) . this also has been observed in canterbury. although, these are much more rare here.. i would argue that we see more warm fronts in the spring and fall seasons.
8. chemtrails are generally laid parallel to the frontal boundary**
in new zealand, chemtrails are primarily laid north/south. there are minor exceptions, especially over the alps proceding a cold front, but this seems to be the general observation of most on the forum. in southwest and central portions of america, many observers report a strong east/west oriention. this makes sense to me. having lived in usa, and being a bit of a weather nut :lol:
a unique convection occurs along a line in the central part of america. dense cold air from canada/arctic travels southward east of the rocky mountains.. while warm moist air rises northward from the gulf of mexico.. this is what sets up "tornado alley" in those central plains / central southeastern states.
so, this occluded frontal boundary lies roughly in a east/west fashion. our fronts line up primarily north/south. so, by laying trails "along the frontal boundary", chemtrailers maximize their cloud making potential.. long trails parallel to the front will create the long clouds that stretch and spread, giving maximum coverage. so, if the goal is cloud seeding or radar ducting experiments, this would make sense.
so, i would argue that chemtrails definitely appear to be related to weather modification/control and/or military communications/rf signaling over land.
researchers who have speculated the multi-headed medussa operation cloverleaf are the reasons behind the chemtrails, appear (to me) to be the most credible.
i do not personally believe that chemtrails contain bio-pathogens intended for "direct" population control, but do believe that fungi/molds are a big problem with chemtrail drift polymers.. most likely, the program has been experimenting with various anti-fungal, anti-mold agents. no doubt, biotoxins have been tested by the military-industrial-education-entertainment industry and may be in fact be he next JANT (what i call: just another neocon trajedy). a tropospheric delivery system would not be cost effective..most likely, this would be tested by low-flying craft spraying directly over populations. sadly, the us military even admits that this has been done on american citizens in the past.
anyway, i think we have quite a considerable amount of data regarding chemtrails and fronts.
cheers-
hiero
*over the southern alps, chemtrails also get the benefit of orographic lifting (over the mountains). this may explain the east/west segmented spraying.. weather testing of perhaps scalar influences on the atmosphere
Joined: 09 Jun 2005
Posts: 266
Location: Christchurch
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 12:07 pm Post Subject:
hi deano,
large bodies of water (oceans especially) create a natureal duct for radar and rf signals. basically, the ionic charges set-up more favorable conditions for signal propagation. yet, over land, this does not occur. rf signals bounce and scatter over random "noise" objects such as mountains, cities, roads, trees, transpower "pylons" :)
so, if you will.. chemtrail metallic salts mimic the ionization ducting that naturally occurs over oceans.. to occur over land as well. in this manner, military communications can occur over the curvature of the earth. couple this with the haarp project, and a variety of ionospheric experiments/manipuations can be done (including weather systems and star wars style em pulse "JANT" weapons that can, for starters, wipe out entire nation's power grids.
Joined: 05 Nov 2003
Posts: 387
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 3:44 pm Post Subject:
Thanks Hiero for your attempt to put me right. :)
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actually, i beg to disagree. i believe we have considerable observational data to infere the following:
That sounds very hopeful. Information, as such, is not our problem, we have lots of it. :? Just like it takes more than merely lots of food to make a great restaurant. It's a matter of us all sorting out the stuff of particular quality and serving it up in the most appropriate manner for the readers of Myst NZ. In order to do this we must understand it very well ourselves first in order to be able to be discerning. We're not 'weather nuts' ourselves and we are damn glad that someone around here has confessed to being one. :D
As mentioned before, we have not spent long enough in any one place of CT activity to be able to develop the ability to recognise patterns that comes with repetition. However, mindful of the inferences as listed in your above post, we are revisiting our first major encounter with the phenomenon of Chemtrails and are preparing a presentation to post here. We would very much like you to cast your experienced eye over it and tell us what you see (others too, of course). Hopefully we'll have it up this evening sometime...
Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:01 pm Post Subject: fungi/molds
Regarding what Hiero said...
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do not personally believe that chemtrails contain bio-pathogens intended for "direct" population control, but do believe that fungi/molds are a big problem with chemtrail drift polymers.. most likely, the program has been experimenting with various anti-fungal, anti-mold agents.
I'm reminded that Ethyline-dibromide has been identified in chemtrail fallout samples from over seas and bromine has been identified in fallout here in NZ.
Just a few days ago I heard on the National radio of a Green Party backed, Nelson petition to ban the use of Methyl-bromide as a fumigant in NZ, due to it's toxicity, six people have died from motor neuron disease due it is claimed to exposure to the chemical, many others made terribly ill etc. The chemical is the most ozone depleting etc etc
As I said. A similar chemical has been identified in the Chemtrails. An attempt to kill the micro-organisms that come to earth with the fallout.
I'm reminded that Ethyline-dibromide has been identified in chemtrail fallout samples from over seas and bromine has been identified in fallout here in NZ.
Isn't Ethylene Dibromide a jet fuel additive? A replacement for lead I think.
Anybody managed to get any snaps of these so-called military chem-trail-planes?
I'm not doubting that E-D is a toxic substance, but are you seeing chem trails or contrails?
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 12:00 am Post Subject: Ethylene dibromide
Well I’ve done a little searching and found what I think is the article which originally led me to believe the EDB in chemtrails and jet fuel theory. http://www.rense.com/general3/chemedb.htm
Came through this time Melody, thank you
Got the rain I expected, but also a terrible hale storm with huge size hale.
It lasted for hours at my neighbors, even after the sun had been shining on it.
It seemed incredible that it lasted so long and in places it was 4 inches deep
Did any other place get the hale? I think Pamela in Levin got some.
Hugs Betty
