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canterbury: sun 17/7/05: chems and craft
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Hieronymous Bosch



Joined: 09 Jun 2005
Posts: 266
Location: Christchurch

Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 2:13 pm    Post Subject: canterbury: sun 17/7/05: chems and craft  

hi folks,
this morning my 7 year old son said, "dad, those planes are back again" see, even a 7 year old can tell the difference between normal contrails and chemtrails..

he was right of course, at 10:30 am two paralell lines.. same locations as always north to south with about 5Km or so between them (one over town center, the other over sumner/south brighton).

we have persistent northeasterly with squally showers..but still can see the lines above between the low clouds/clearing cycles.

again, half an hour after laid, this craft, which appears to be a piper tomahawk style craft (pictured below) begins circling over pegasus bay.. just off south new brighton.

ok, even if this just happens to be a student pilot, it does seem extremely coincidental, that this same craft appears almost exactly a half hour after these chemtrails are laid, and circles in the exact same place. this is the third time in three to four weeks that this exact craft has done this.

also, today would not be an ideal to have a student pilot doing circles under the stratus.. the wind speed is about 20-30K with the occasional fog/low cloud and drizzle.. could be an ifr student, but many of these training sessions are done in "good" weather conditions using an ifr hood (device worn by the pilot that blocks outside visibility, only giving observation of craft's instrumentation).

is it niwa, nz military? it would be interesting to find out. who owns or uses this type of craft? any ideas folks?

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Colin



Joined: 22 Feb 2004
Posts: 140
Location: Auckland, NZ

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 12:09 am    Post Subject:  

Hello Hieronymous,

Following is a list of some of the Piper Tomahawks registered in NZ. It is not a comprehensive list but gives some idea of who is operating them.

I hope it is useful. :D

Aero Club - Wellington
Piper PA-38-112 Tomahawk
Location: Wellington Int'l Airport - NZWN
New Zealand

Registration/Serial No./Date: ZK-EZI June 01, 2003


Southern Wings
Piper PA-38-112 Tomahawk II
Location: Invercargill Aerodrome - NZNV
New Zealand

Registration/Serial No./Date: ZK-EVC March 08, 2003


Aero Club - Canterbury
Piper PA-38-112 Tomahawk
Location: Christchurch Int'l Airport - NZCH
New Zealand

Registration/Serial No./Date: ZK-FJR December 11, 2003


Aero Club - Auckland
Piper PA-38-112 Tomahawk
Location: Ardmore Aerodrome - NZAR
New Zealand

Registration/Serial No./Date: ZK-WAG January 02, 2005


Aero Club - Canterbury
Piper PA-38-112 Tomahawk
Location: Christchurch Int'l Airport - NZCH
New Zealand

Registration/Serial No./Date: ZK-EYC March 04, 2004


Aero Club - Canterbury
Piper PA-38-112 Tomahawk
Location: Christchurch Int'l Airport - NZCH
New Zealand

Registration/Serial No./Date: ZK-EYE March 04, 2004


Aero Club - Canterbury
Piper PA-38-112 Tomahawk
Location: Christchurch Int'l Airport - NZCH
New Zealand

Registration/Serial No./Date: ZK-ESG March 12, 2004


New Zealand - Air Force Aviation Sports Club
Piper PA-38-112 Tomahawk
Location: Whenuapai Air Base - NZWP
New Zealand

Registration/Serial No./Date: ZK-FSB March 23, 2004


New Zealand - Air Force Aviation Sports Club
Piper PA-38-112 Tomahawk
Location: Whenuapai Air Base - NZWP
New Zealand

Registration/Serial No./Date: ZK-EZG March 23, 2004


EVG Syndicate
Piper PA-38-112 Tomahawk
Location: Ardmore Aerodrome - NZAR
New Zealand

Registration/Serial No./Date: ZK-EVG June 07, 2004


Playne Air
Piper PA-38-112 Tomahawk
Location: North Shore Aerodrome - NZNE
New Zealand

Registration/Serial No./Date: ZK-WNA June 13, 2004


Playne Air
Piper PA-38-112 Tomahawk
Location: North Shore Aerodrome - NZNE
New Zealand

Registration/Serial No./Date: ZK-WMA June 13, 2004


Aero Club - Canterbury
Piper PA-38-112 Tomahawk
Location: Christchurch Int'l Airport - NZCH
New Zealand

Registration/Serial No./Date: ZK-EYD July 16, 2004


Aero Club - Nelson
Piper PA-38-112 Tomahawk
Location: Motueka - NZMK
New Zealand

Registration/Serial No./Date: ZK-CAB October 03, 2004


Aero Technology Ltd
Piper PA-38-112 Tomahawk
Location: Ardmore Aerodrome - NZAR
New Zealand

Registration/Serial No./Date: ZK-EVD March 12, 2005


Aero Club - Northland Districts
Piper PA-38-112 Tomahawk
Location: Whangarei - NZWR
New Zealand

Registration/Serial No./Date: ZK-FVY March 18, 2005


Aero Club - Canterbury
Piper PA-38-112 Tomahawk
Location: Christchurch Int'l Airport - NZCH
New Zealand

Registration/Serial No./Date: ZK-EYB July 02, 2005
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info4



Joined: 22 Feb 2004
Posts: 165

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:17 pm    Post Subject:  

Hello Hieronymous,

How high where these trails. :?:

I guess from your comments you are saying this aircraft was responsible for laying the trails.

Is the above photo the aircrart or what you think it looked liked :?:

I have had a look on the net and the service ceiling for this aircraft is 13000 ft
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Hieronymous Bosch



Joined: 09 Jun 2005
Posts: 266
Location: Christchurch

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:55 am    Post Subject:  

info4,
no.. not laying the trails.. simply there circling around a half an hour after they were laid. the trails were laid in typical fashion.. in the troposphere between 15,000 to 30,000 feet.

this observance is not interesting in its own right. it only becomes interesting when the observation of the same plane (i've also seen a cessna skyhawk type craft) appears around the same time after (about half hour) and has appeared at least three or four times in the last three weeks only after a chemtrail is laid in that part of the bay.

again, it can be entirely coincidental, but without resorting to advanced statistical equations, simply intuitively, the odds would be staggering.
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Melody Anderson



Joined: 05 Nov 2003
Posts: 814
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:17 am    Post Subject:  

Do you think it could be a private individual Hiero? Someone who has noticed the pattern of spraying and is curious about what's up there. Someone who has access to such a plane, a hobbyist or amateur pilot perhaps...
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Hieronymous Bosch



Joined: 09 Jun 2005
Posts: 266
Location: Christchurch

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:30 am    Post Subject:  

hi melody,
it's entirely possible... maybe someone with an interest in both aviation.. and having knowledge of ct operations..searching for silver orbs? don't know :?
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