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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:34 pm Post Subject: London Bombings - Who Benefits?
Looking back on the WTC attacks, it is easy to see now who benefited from the changes that followed the event. It wasn't just that there was a massive devolvement of power from the masses to the administrators, but that it happened on an almost world-wide scale.
Even the citizens of this country have experienced huge losses in personal freedoms within New Zealand with a reciprocal transference of power to those shadowy unelected officials who would control every aspect of our lives. Overt surveillance and close scrutiny of our every movement and communication is now the norm. The NZ drivers license has evolved into a forerunner to a national identity card, and assuredly the full version will follow in due course. Our world has changed dramatically, and not for the better. All this has happened without protest from the citizens because those who make the changes do so with 'indisputable' justification.
And now we have another event that is to have far reaching consequences. For the administrators, the timing is exquisite. With the securing of the 2012 Olympics and the public's desire for the event to bestow great glory upon their city together with the current moves to initiate a national identity card etc, there will be a great loss of freedom with willing acquiescence from the populous.
An interesting quote from a Prison Planet article:
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This has MI5 written all over it. Just watch that national ID card legislation sail through. Only 15% of the country supported the government after the last election, this will ensure total fealty to a smarmy Blair and whatever he wants to do. Ken Livingstone and the opposition parties will now have no grounds to reject ID card legislation, especially with the Olympics coming to London in 2012.
The police state measures they'll get out of this will be overlaid onto all forms of transport. In fact, you won't be able to travel without the ID card. Although MI5 operations are normally more sophisticated than things like 9/11, in that the evidence linking it to the government is more carefully covered, just watch for the evidence of inside involvement to trickle out. MI5 have been caught involved in IRA bombings multiple times over.
Alex has said over and over that as attacks on different sections of the transportation grid occur they are going to have police state setup in the areas. Now it will be on the buses, subways etc.
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 3:31 pm Post Subject:
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The police state measures they'll get out of this will be overlaid onto all forms of transport. In fact, you won't be able to travel without the ID card.
And not only that, but the UK will gain an instant and unquestioned justification to impose their draconian requirements on other countries in the 'free world', just as the USA has done, since 9/11.
New Zealand authorities are currently rejecting 400 passport applications a day due to ridiculously trivial photographic issues such as small shadows behind the head, head on a slight tilt, mouth slightly open, slight smiling etc... Is it possible that these severe and ludicrous conditions are dictated to NZ by US authorities who are demanding the new biometric standards?
We are likely to see the trickle down effects of this latest sad incident spread across the world to impinge on the personal freedoms of all of us. I'd like to know what Tony Blair really means when he says "our determination to defend our values and life is greater than those engaged in terrorism". If those values have anything to do with liberty, then the man is a hypocrite...
Good link there Melody. I will go out on a limb here and reccommend to anyone who is starting to question evil world events such as these to read
The holy blood and the holy Grail-Laurence Gardner followed by The Genesis of the Grail Kings-Laurence Gardner followed by The biggest secret-David Icke. The history of mankind is ever present in current world events and always has been. The Reptilian bloodline and their offspring have always controlled this world and will continue to orchestrate world events as they see fit.
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:47 pm Post Subject:
Here is a very, very interesting coincidence. An exercise revolving around the occurrence of simultaenous bombs going off in the the London underground was being conducted at the exact same time, the real 'attacks' were occurring:
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 5:11 pm Post Subject:
Bloody Hell Mel, that article you just posted piles up more and more evidence for the involvement of state bodies involved in the biggest and most horrific acts of terrorism!
You'll NEVER see this information in the mainstream media - its just too hot. May this forum really gain traction with the wider population so that people come to know what is being perpetrated in their names!
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 7:56 pm Post Subject:
Colin wrote:
that article you just posted piles up more and more evidence for the involvement of state bodies involved in the biggest and most horrific acts of terrorism!
Hmmm. Certainly looks very suspicious:
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London Underground being bombed at the exact same locations, at the exact same times, as happened in real life.
Even if you stretched your mind enough to imagine that maybe the exercise was a coincidence, I think the fact that it was the exact same locations and times is just too much of a leap of faith to make to imagine that this doesn't smell fishy. Especially in light of the very similar pattern of events regarding a 'mock' exercise taking place on the 11th of September.
And this from TVNZ: "The police say they're now more inclined to believe the bombs were set off by synchronised timing devices, rather than being detonated by hand. They also say they believe the explosives used were not home-made, but may have been military or commercial."
Gee that Al Qa'ida has some razor sharp operatives with incredible organisational skills and resources at their disposal. :roll:
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 8:28 pm Post Subject:
I thought this was also an interesting statement:
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"Much about the attack did not make sense. Why was the first bomb detonated at 8.51am? This was an hour after peak commuter time: if the aim is to kill as many as possible, why wait? And why such small explosives?
The Madrid bombs, which claimed 190 lives, were judged to have been 25 pounds each: forensic examiners believe the London terrorists used 10-pound bombs. It was to the lower end of al-Qaeda's murderous scale.
Perhaps the bombers were inspired but not trained by al-Qaeda - and were less efficient than those who struck in Madrid. Or perhaps this was Britain's equivalent of the 1993 World Trade Centre bombing: a precursor of a larger attack to come. "
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 11:46 am Post Subject: Police hunt white 'mercenary' terror gang recruited by al-Qa
From the 'oh puhleease, gimme a break' file...
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Police hunt 'mercenary' terror gang recruited by al-Qa'ida
Police and intelligence agents are investigating the theory that a gang of white "mercenary terrorists" was hired by al-Qa'ida to carry out last week's devastating attacks on London.
The Independent on Sunday can reveal today that investigations into the bombings of three Tube trains and a bus, which left at least 49 people dead, are focusing on the possibility that criminal gangs were paid to mount the worst atrocities in British history.
There have apparently been eye-witness reports of suspicious persons on the morning of the attacks that do not match the desired swarthy arabic look the spin doctors were hoping for. So the latest theory is that al-Qa'ida hired a mercenary gang of white guys to carry out this incredibly sophisticated and difficult to achieve attack, using military or commercial explosives...
As with 9/11, within minutes of the attacks, islamists and al-Qa'ida were being fingered as the perpetrators... Imagine that in a normal crime scene scenario. An atrocious violent act occurs and within minutes, authorities and the police are already announcing 'who did it'.
Unfortunately, this kind of 'spin' has very negative effects. The recent knee-jerk vandalism of mosques in Auckland, being one example. :(
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:35 pm Post Subject:
Excuse me... but these bombs now rate as:
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...the worst atrocities in British history.
Give ME a break!
How about the fire bombing of Dresden during WW2 or the Amritsar Massacre in 1919.
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Gen. R.E.H. Dyer was sent with troops from Jullundur to restore order, and, though no further disturbances occurred in Amritsar until April 13, Dyer marched 50 armed soldiers into the Jallianwallah Bagh (Garden) that afternoon and ordered them to open fire on a protest meeting attended by some 10,000 unarmed men, women, and children without issuing a word of warning. It was a Sunday, and many neighboring peasants had come to Amritsar to celebrate a Hindu festival, gathering in the Bagh, which was a place for holding cattle fair and other festivities. Dyer kept his troops firing for about ten minutes, until they had shot 1650 rounds of ammunition into the terror-stricken crowd, which had no way of escaping the Bagh, since the soldiers spanned the only exit. About 400 civilians were killed and some 1200 wounded. They were left without medical attention by Dyer, who hastily removed his troops to the camp. Sir Michael O'Dwyer fully approved of and supported the Jallianwallah Bagh massacre, and on April 15, 1919, issued a martial law decree for the entire Punjab.
Oh... hang on... they can't be atrocities... the British perpetrated them!
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Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 1:55 pm Post Subject:
I've almost had enough of the spin and incredulous rubbish the UK authorities and mainstream media is spewing forth to further support the Police State agenda, but here's a few more links of interest on the subject:
"I do think it very strange that they were able to find these documents belonging to these bombers.
Maybe they thought they were going to paradise so it didn't really matter but it allowed the police to trace where they came from very quickly. It was a strange thing to do. "
"A PROPOSAL for a national identity card is being examined by the Howard Government as a way of improving border security and countering the threat of terrorism."
If the Aussies do it, it won't belong before we hear Phil Goff proposing the same to 'bring us into line with Australia and the rest of the world'.
Were there to be a serious terrorist act in this country and afterwards it was thought that we had not taken the measures necessary, believe me, no one would be talking about civil liberties; they would be talking about why we had not done more to protect the security of this country
Tony Blair, 23 February 2005
The Queen joined millions of Londoners in giving a message of defiance to the terrorists who bombed the London Underground yesterday, telling staff at a hospital treating victims of the blasts: "They will not change our way of life."
Suppose that depends who you are - probably won't change your way of life in you're the Queen :)
Trotter vowed to work to keep the British capital's transport network safe but he said airport-style security would never be introduced.
"If life in London is to continue, if people are free to move around, then people are going to go on and off public transport without going through search regimes," he said.
"If we tried to introduce such a thing London would come to a grinding halt. That would be a win for the terrorists without a doubt," he added.
First sensible statement about civil liberties I have heard on this subject for a while...
BERLIN, July 8 - From the 9/11 attacks through the Madrid bombings, Europeans have refused to sacrifice civil liberties in the fight against terrorism, sharply criticizing the United States for restricting its citizens' rights for the sake of security. Even with the London attacks, there is little indication that this philosophical divide is narrowing.
Civil liberties place limits on the power of the state over the individual and guarantee a private sphere of autonomy where individuals are free to act so long as they do not harm others. Freedom of speech and freedom of assembly, for example, protect the rights of citizens to criticise and protest against the government. Fears expressed by civil libertarians have concerned the way in which established legal principles, such as the presumption of innocence and protection against being imprisoned without trial, have been compromised by recent legislation. Further concerns include whether the government should claim powers to prevent potential crimes and about a blurring of the distinction between dissent and terrorism.
Heard Jane Clifton and Barry Soper talking about the bombings on TV this morning. Jane said (paraphrasing here) 'what gets me is how quickly they tracked down these people'. Barry says "brilliant piece of detective work'. :!:
Best way to solve these 'acts of terror' crimes is to have all the details of your perpetrators sorted and ready to go before the crimes are committed. Cuts out all that tedious old-fashioned police work...
Before we get too comfortable in thinking that today's world leaders like Bush and Blair are a new breed of caring, sharing politician, I think we should all remember the revelation that Francois Mitterand personally sanctioned the Ranibow Warrior terror attack as has been revealed just a few days ago.
WELLINGTON, July 11 (AFP) - New Zealand Prime Minister Helen Clark said Monday she was not surprised by reports that late French President Francois Mitterand approved the sinking of the Greenpeace flagship the Rainbow Warrior 20 years ago..."We always felt deep down that an operation like that would have to have been approved at the very highest level of the French government," Clark said in a radio interview. "It is sad to have it confirmed that it went all the way to the president."
Government complicity in the killing of citizens for political gain and to justify hard line policies does happen - we all know it. It's been going on for a long, long time.
Many people are willing to admit that they believe in the possibility that UFOs are real and that alien life exists, maybe even that they visit the Earth - but tell them you saw one, and they'll call you crazy.
We can all accept that things of an anomalous nature can and do happen - but when they happen in the present time, right up close, these realities can suddenly become very challenging.
I've almost had enough of the spin and incredulous rubbish the UK authorities and mainstream media is spewing forth to further support the Police State agenda....
I feel a bit the same. The way suspects were so quickly identified is too good to be true. As stated previously, look how quickly it happened after 911 as well...
I would have thought proper investigation would need more time to get all the facts and proof together. The way it's happened, security changes can be rushed through before people get the truth and chance to protest, or have a choice about what happens.
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:27 pm Post Subject:
folks,
scary stuff, isn't it?
what really gets one's blood to boil is that patently fake "photoshop" picture of the "suspect" supposedly caught on surveillance camera entering the tube station.
have you seen this one on infowars?
melody, you had indicated that you have graphic design experience.. and i have been project manager for website development... this photo to me, speaks volumes. what are your thoughts?
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 3:05 pm Post Subject:
Hieronymous Bosch wrote:
what really gets one's blood to boil is that patently fake "photoshop" picture of the "suspect" supposedly caught on surveillance camera entering the tube station.
have you seen this one on infowars?
melody, you had indicated that you have graphic design experience.. and i have been project manager for website development... this photo to me, speaks volumes. what are your thoughts?
Yeah I have seen this... It is certainly a very interesting one...I'm going to write up a bit of an analysis based on my professional opinion later on today and will post it here.
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 8:15 pm Post Subject:
I have been giving quite a bit of thought to this shot and am not sure whether I could say that, with 100% confidence, it is doctored. Very difficult with such a low resolution shot in that it is hard to make out the just what the transitions between elements in the photo really are. I would love to see a shot from the same CCTV camera with no people in it - this would provide an excellent reference for some of the more obscure shapes in critical areas.
The photo looks very blue on the web. We have a copy of the Guardian Weekly (a newspaper publication printed in Sydney). The photo is on the front page. In print, the colours are truer, so it is easier to make out some of the features.
I use Photoshop many times every day and have done quite a bit of photo retouching, both taking elements out of shots and placing them in. Normally with this kind of job you would be using much higher resolution and the image would be fairly large as you work on it. I noticed there were some comments on the Jeff Rense site from a graphic designer who had this to say:
'The guy's arm is just bent'
M. Macgregor-Reid - Jeff Rense web site wrote:
The way the railings look like they are running over him is just optical illusion. His arm is bent (and you can kind of see his lower arm coming up and his hand gripping what looks like the strap of his bag/backpack) and that is why you can see the railing behind him and the area that they must be suggesting is the lower half of his arm is actually the corner of the building behind the railings.
I have to say, this got me thinking. I think this idea has some merit. It is possible that the guy's arm is bent as it generally would be if walking normally. And when you think about it, it would be unlikely that his arm would be straight at his side. But I think the length of his arm from shoulder to elbow is too short if we assume that the railing is genuine. Can't quite see where they suggest he is gripping his pack, as there is a fairly dominant vertical coming down through where his arm should be if that were the case.
The aspect I am not sure of with this theory is the lower half being the corner of the building behind the railings. This is where it would be good to get a look at the same scene without people. I am not convinced that the wall behind goes down as far as it would have to to explain the shape below that segment of railing. It also looks a little darker and has a slight bulge. Behind the guy with the white cap, there look to be other people in view. They have to be standing on something which would seem to indicate that the wall ends much farther back. I am assuming that the light grey area in the background is a section of concrete or even stairs - I think this discounts the idea that the section below the railing is a continuation of the wall.
There is a relatively large section of consistent texture and colour just above and below the railing with a straight edge, perhaps why they have suggested it is a piece of the wall. If it was a wall (which I think is doubtful when looking at the other elements in the picture), then I think his arm looks even shorter still, deformed even.
Fringing
There is definite fringing around all of the guys in shot. This can be relatively common in low res shots, particularly if they have been re purposed, losing some quality in the process, although it is reasonably significant around the trouser legs of the two foreground figures.
The Railing
M. Macgregor-Reid - Jeff Rense web site wrote:
The one they suggest is running through his face actually isn't and the white area on his face is just skin and light reflection. The lighting on his coat, hat etc is consistent with rest of the photo which is usually the way you can pick up if something has been added into the picture.
On closer inspection and blowing this up in Photoshop, it certainly does look like the railing encroaches into the guy's head area, a little more than just light and reflection.
Why would they make such a glaring error?
M. Macgregor-Reid - Jeff Rense web site wrote:
Also, if someone was going to go to the trouble of doctoring the photo they wouldn't leave anything as glaringly obvious and badly done as railings running over the top of someone. I mean, even the crappiest image retouched wouldn't do that!
Well, you'd be surprised actually! It is hard to imagine how someone wouldn't spot this, having just done a retouch job. If they didn't why someone else didn't pick up on it. This is where we get into the area of psychology and what the brain will and will not see and how at times, we can miss the obvious as our brains fill in the bits that aren't right. This is not as unlikely as it might seem.
When I trained as a Graphic Designer, we were constantly encouraged to have others critique our work. We were taught that when you work on something so intently and so closely, sometimes you can miss something. The most obvious example of this is when you misspell a word in a layout or a piece of text.
Several months ago, I was driving through Henderson and noticed a new banner had been erected across the front of the building. It was very large and yellow and in big red letters it read: Furiture
I noticed the typo right away. I tend to notice this kind of thing fairly immediately with that observation training having been such an emphasis. Several weeks later, the banner had been replaced with one that read: Furniture
Think about it. There is a whole process involved in getting a sign made and erected - from the design and artwork stage, right through to production, approval, payment and hanging. Obviously throughout that entire process, nobody had noticed there was a letter missing. In a situation like this, where there is only one word on the sign and it's miss-pelt, no other elements to distract, you might think it just about impossible to make this kind of mistake. That's not the first instance of it I've seen either. I've seen a great many over the years.
Scientifically we are told that the brain will often 'fill in the blanks' in a situation like this. So it is possible to make very obvious errors in something and no one notices. This is especially true if you have been focusing intently on one particular part of a project and miss something in another area, because you weren't looking for it. Often when reviewing your work, if one particular part of a project was very challenging or tricky to get right, you'll tend to focus on that part when examining the finished piece.
So in a very tricky touch-up job, where maybe there were other 'doctored' elements to perfect as well, it is within the realms of possibility to miss the bar going over the top of the jacket. It has been suggested that the error is so obvious if it was left in, it had to be deliberate. I don't think I can agree with that - not entirely.
If the shot was doctored, I have a theory about how this might have been done:
Photoshop and its Tools
Photoshop is an application based on working with layers, allowing you to work on many many different layers within the one document and then merge the final result into one. These layers may be turned on and turned off, merged together, moved around etc. Parts of an image may be erased, masked, edited for light and dark independently of other parts etc etc etc. In order to achieve the desired editing, certain tools are used. The common ones are the Eraser (self explanatory) and the Clone tool, which can duplicate sections of an image and place them elsewhere and now with later versions, the Healing Brush - the most magical of all Photoshop tools and in the minds of many retouchers, the most important addition to Photoshop ever. The Healing brush will not only sample and duplicate detail, texture and colour, but it also allows the sampled area to blend seamlessly into its surroundings. Another important retouching feature is the use of different brush and erase opacity - so you can erase something with a brush set to 90% and just as if you were using a normal eraser, but not pressing hard enough to rub something out completely, you are left with some but not all of the detail you started out with. You can pretty much do anything at all to an image with Photoshop and the right skills in using it. I've seen some pretty poor retouching jobs done by 'professionals' - some of them even ending up in high end print publications like Cuisine magazine.
Making Composites
A lot of people have talked about this photo in terms of superimposing figures into the scene. This assumes that the figure superimposed was never at this location - that he may have been photographed in an entirely different location and pasted into this scene. But what if he was photographed by Camera 14 at Luton, but just not at the same time as the other guys... Then you might be erasing background and other elements, not pasting them in.
If you had four different photos from a fixed camera like a Closed Circuit TV camera, of four different guys at different times, for example if the four 'bombers' all went through Luton station, but not together and at the same time - you could use Photoshop to make a composite photo to make it look like they were all in the one shot. It's also likely that you would have to contend with removing other pedestrians from the shots and possible changes in the lighting between photos. This could possibly account for the light and shade on the guy being correct for the scenery.
If I was going to do this, I would bring the four shots into Photoshop, each on its own layer. There are a variety of ways you could tackle it, but you might decide to remove parts of the background on each layer, so that parts you want to retain in shot remain. Doing this on four layers and correcting for colour and other aberrations would be relatively challenging. Generally, to avoid a hard edge between the figure and the background, you may choose to erase parts of the background around the figure at a value of less than 100%, or using a soft edged eraser brush so that the transition would be more natural and in keeping. Some of the exaggerated fringing on those trouser legs could be a result of erasing background elements from an image taken when the lighting was different and the concrete in behind appeared lighter, but not quite going far enough. I can see it could be possible, knowing how the tools in Photoshop behave, that you could erase a little too much around the area of the white cap wearer's head the bars sitting in behind on a different layer could show through a little more and maybe not notice. Or the bars may in fact be on one of the other layers dealing with a different guy, unnoticed because you weren't working on the guy in the background, but maybe working one of the guys in front.
M. Macgregor-Reid - Jeff Rense web site wrote:
The light reflecting from the railing at the level of his face has visually 'bled' into the light reflecting from his face because the image is very low-res and hi-contrast.
The railing still blends in the shot from the Guardian, which isn't high contrast.
Show me the Video footage...
Given the lack of clarity in the photo, in my opinion, it would be difficult to positively identify anyone in the shot. The caption on this photograph says the photograph is from a Police handout. Has this group ever appeared on television in the full segment of their arriving at Luton as captured by the video camera? I would imagine that had the authorities obtained video footage of these guys arriving together at Luton, they would be showing the video, rather than just this one, rather unconvincing frame...I'd be interested to know if anyone has seen a whole segment with the four 'bombers' actually walking together on video, anywhere on the web or on TV.
