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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 11:26 am Post Subject: Betty Rowe: Special Report
john and melody:
well done!
excellent, honest and informative article. your efforts must be commended!
betty, if you read this... i feel for you.. you have endured what seems like countless agony from the air vandals. your lives, beautiful land and animals have been violated by a crime of unspeakable proportions.
i'm also from usa.. california.. we lived in wellington (lower hutt area) 1994-1995, returned to california, had our children, then returned back to settle permanently in christchurch in 2003. there were no such chemtrails in 1994-1995 over the wellington region. i'm an aviation enthusiast and avid weather watcher. i'm convinced that these sprayers gathered momentum at the beginning of the millenium
i saw the first chemtrail over aliso viejo, ca (orange county) in 1999. i did some research, saw the controversy and was extremely skeptical. after 911, i noticed more activity.. x patterns, grids, etc. over LA/Orange/San Diego. i quickly attributed these to increased military activity due to the country being on high alert (war on terrorism).
i saw three chemtrails being laid down over canterbury last summer, my heart sank.. i re-visited the data.. now, there being sumptuous data collected by ardent observers around the world.. and need no further convincing that experimentation of a most grandiose scale is being conducted on the global biosphere.
lab results showing bromide.. extremely interesting. methyl bromide is a fungicide.. and very toxic. in fact, there was a big scandal involving its use in california schools.. and the resulting health problems on children.
some have speculated that "fungicides" are added to the chemtrail mixtures. the welsbach polymers are hygroscopic (draw/retain water) and therefore develop toxic moulds and fungus.. how brilliant.. adding toxins, producing toxins, and using toxins to prevent more toxins.. and we thought dr. strangelove was a lunatic!
my theory why your area is hit so hard...(as well as the northwest south island and southwest north island). is that one of the components of the cloverleaf program relates to barium salts and radar ducting experiments. arapawa island is surrounded by: waihopai, woodburne, and wellington (i believe there is a relatively secret us/nz radar station somewere in the wellington region). these experiments may be using these facilities to beam rf signals over the cook straight for ducting.. and/or weather modifications through one of the earth's most perfect "venturi tubes".. our wonderous weather creator: the cook straight.
john and melody are doing a service of immense magnitude by providing an intelligent repository of information, discussion, and observation. hopefully, with the help of many concerned citizens, we can all make a difference. it only takes one honest politician.. like the kiwi norman kirk... to stand up to the global mafia and say: enough is enough! we don't want your nukes, chemtrails or biosphere terrorism perpetrated in new zealand. not likely, but definitely possible.
i wish you (and all of the folks at arapawa) peace and harmony.. and improved health and vigour.. enjoy god's gifts.. while we still can.
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:24 pm Post Subject:
:-) Thanks for your encouraging feedback Hieronymous. We have been working on getting the interview with Betty set up and online for some time. Certainly hearing Betty's story and more particularly, seeing the physical evidence of the lab report, made an impact on us. Betty is a courageous survivor and we admire and appreciate her for determination and for her willingness to be so open and upfront with her story.
By the way, the lab report mentions traces of Bromine, not Bromide... Betty also had samples of her hair (and goat hair) tested with similar results and we are at present trying to get hold of that data (it's a long story) and will add it to the page when we do.
Hieronmyous wrote:
like the kiwi norman kirk... to stand up to the global mafia and say: enough is enough! we don't want your nukes, chemtrails or biosphere terrorism perpetrated in new zealand. not likely, but definitely possible.
Couldn't agree more with the above. New Zealand has done it before - we sincerely hope that we can do it again. Interesting you should mention Norman Kirk - watch this space for more on 'Big Norm', coming to this site very soon...
Hi Hiero ..Many thanks for the message I agree....Melody and John are doing a great service and I hope people will wake up and join us all trying to stop this spread of sickness.
I just got over being very ill for 2 weeks and am still pretty weak from the ordeal. While I was sick, 4 of my beautiful goats died. I just didn't have the strength to do anything for them.
We definitely get hammered here and the weather is unreal.
Please keep in touch.
I don't know my way around Mysterious NZ very well, but I usually catch up along the line.
Hugs Betty
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 5:35 pm Post Subject:
bromine.. ah. got it...
It's been a while since my pre-med days at university, but looks like we're talking the stable BR2 (not the ion)..
interesting.. our friends in san diego use bromine instead of chlorine in their hot tub as disinfectant..
anyway, i may have found something of interest. the bromine may not be chemtrail related at all.. but a result of the fascist environmental police: DOC
check out this interesting article.... then contact your MP
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 9:21 pm Post Subject:
Hmm. The sample was taken from cobweb-like deposits on a fencepost, quite close to the shoreline... I wonder if Betty knows of any specific official DOC activity associated with controlling Undaria, in her bay...
The fact that there were trace amounts, unquantifiable, might possibly fit this explanation.
Perhaps not so easy to explain the presence of the Aluminium and Barium though? :?
Hi
I could not get the item about DOC ...didn't know what to do with what came up on the screen.
I do not know of any activity of DOC re trees. on the island
There is a lot of talk about poisoning pine trees, but they have never approached me to do the wild ones on my place. I would not give them permission as I feel it is terribly cruel.
This web like substance has been around for many years. I saw quite a lot of it today on the shed doors.
Sometimes when I cought up the wad in my throat it comes out in a long white string....sorry to be so graphic, but it is the same all the time...white and stringy.
What am I looking for with the DOC connection?
Betty
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 10:56 pm Post Subject:
The document is a PDF format document Betty, viewable in the free Adobe Reader - many computers already have this installed, yours may not. When you clicked on the link, did Windows ask you a question about opening it? Can you remember the message you received? You may need to download the free Reader...
To Download the Reader and view the document:
1. It can be downloaded from the following page (you'll probably want to 'untick' the Also Download items in the right hand columns):
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html
2. Click on the red Download button
3. Choose Run from the resulting dialogue box - this file from Adobe can be trusted. Follow the instructions to install...
4. Alternatively, you can choose to Save the file to your hard drive. Once it's downloaded, you'll need to find the file in the location you saved it to and doubleclick on the file called AdbeRdr70_DLM_enu_full.exe. The file will have the above name only if you unticked the other download options - if you forgot to untick those, the file may be called something else and will be a much bigger download...
5. Once installed, when you click on Hiero's document link in the above post, the document should open up automatically in Adobe Reader and you'll be able to read the entire 40 page document! If you want to :)
In the mean time, some info from the document Hiero posted:
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Undaria pinnatifida is a laminarian kelp, indigenous to the temperate regions of Japan, China and Korea. It has extended its range to include 12 countries on four continents since 1981, including New Zealand, with the discovery of U. pinnatifida (henceforth referred to as Undaria) in Wellington Harbour in 1987 (Hay & Luckens 1987; Stuart 2002). Concern has been raised about the possible impacts of Undaria on New Zealand's marine environment. This led to the determination of Undaria as an unwanted organism under the Biosecurity Act 1993, and its inclusion as a pest species in several regional pest management strategies. Central Government's approach to the management of Undaria is to slow its spread around mainland New Zealand and reduce the probability of it spreading to remote locations such as the Subantarctic and Chatham Islands (Ministry of Fisheries 2002a). While the Ministry of Fisheries is the lead agency for the management of marine biosecurity in New Zealand, the Department of Conservation's (DOC's) responsibilities include providing advice on the impacts of introduced species on indigenous species and in high value areas, including marine reserves. The potential impact of intentional or unintentional species introductions to marine reserves is recognised as an important factor requiring consideration when developing monitoring and management options for these reserves (McCrone 2001). At present there are 16 established marine reserves managed by DOC comprising 763 629 ha; only one is present on the eastern coastline of the South Island, at Flea Bay, Banks Peninsula. Pohatu (Flea Bay) Marine Reserve comprises 215 ha situated east of the entrance to Akaroa Harbour, and was gazetted in 1999. A further 17 sites are under investigation as possible marine reserves, including formal marine reserve applications at Kaikoura, Akaroa Harbour and the Nuggets (Department of Conservation 2000; McCrone 2001). The purpose of marine reserves is to preserve areas of New Zealand's marine environment of national interest for the scientific study of marine life1, by protecting and preserving their natural state and marine life, and maintaining the values of the natural habitat2. Protecting marine reserves from the impacts of marine pests is therefore an important element in achieving this purpose. Undaria is a marine pest that could significantly impact on the natural state, marine life, and natural habitat values of marine reserves. The intention of this report is to provide information to assist in the assessment of Undaria's potential impacts in such areas....
...Immediately after the discovery of Undaria in Big Glory Bay, an attempt was made to sterilise floating structures with sodium hypochlorite. The floating structures were towed to nearby tidal flats were they were enclosed in polythene sheets at low tide. Sodium hypochlorite granules were placed within the area confined by the sheeting (L. Chadderton, DOC, pers. comm.). However, this technique did not kill all Undaria (pers. obs.). Following the discovery of Undaria at Bluff Harbour in 1998, a bromin-ated micro-biocide (Amersperse 261-T, Ashland Chemical) was considered as a possible biocide alternative to chlorine-based products, because bromine is more active than chlorine at the pH of seawater (c. 8.2). Bromine is also less corrosive, less likely to evaporate at high temperature, and breaks down more rapidly (Drew-Chemicals 1994). The use of brominated oxidising agents, however, proved to be ineffective and attention was applied to the development of other techniques such as the use of heat treatments (S. Cooper pers. comm. 2002). DOC commissioned laboratory experiments to assess the efficacy of hot water treatments against the gametophyte stage (Webb & Allen 2001). These experiments indicated that exposure of Undaria gametophytes to hot water at 60°C for 5 seconds induced 100% mortality in vitro. Such data was influential in the treatment of the m.v. Seafresh 1 at Chatham Island (see Section 2.5 below), and the development, by DOC, of techniques that apply super-heated steam to benthic substrates. Such techniques were applied to benthic populations of Undaria in Halfmoon Bay, Stewart Island (S. Cooper pers. comm. 2001).
Well, at least I know it is a seaweed and not a tree!
Have not heard of any activity on the seaweed front, but will ask around and see what I can find out.
Thanks for the info Melody....it all sounds a bit complicated to me, but will have a go when my brain is back to working better....still having a few lingering symptoms to deal with, but basically better by far.
Betty
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:35 pm Post Subject:
folks,
this is getting interesting :) ! i even pulled out my old chemistry books...
let's have a crack at the toxic madness..
now, if we discount the bromine coming from DOC.. as it appears that they have discontinued this method to remove the seaweed... yet, this is the same group that sprays pesticides (probably ethylene dibromide) over entire suburbs in auckland.. and over blenheim (west nile mosquitos), as well as herbicides to kill pine trees over farmland that get blown into townships (athol, southland).. and.. yes.. we can go on.. how about 1080 (fluorine-based.. we'll get into that later) for possum control?
anyway, back to chemtrails.
one of the global warming models indicates fluorine (specifically HF) in the presence of uv radiation..radiolysis occurs freeing the F- from the HF.. the F- then bonds with hydrocarbons in lower atmosphere.. stripping off hydrogen, forcing the molecule to re-arrange into a lighter hydrocarbon and again creating more HF to start the process over. a pump is set up.. pumping lighter hydrocarbons into the upper atmosphere.. no matter what we do down here to stop the process.. even if we pay a billion dollars in carbon taxes, etc. for kyoto, the global warming process will not be stopped. there is too much fluoride in the atmosphere and too much damage done by CFCs allowing UV radiation to kill delicate phytoplankton in the arctic and antarctic oceans.. a huge CO2 scavenger (sink) for the lower atmosphere)
the big oil/seven sisters/global energy madmen through the over-exploitation of fossil fuels: coal powered power plants (big contributor to HF emissions), uranium processing/enrichment, nuclear power plants, refrigerants CFCs (ClhoroFLUORO) have created a problem that will not be solved in the lower atmosphere alone. volcanism also contributes to increased HF emissions, and of course, with global warming will come increased plate tectonic movements, more earthquakes and volcanos..
chemistry 101:
it has been speculated that ethylene dibromide has been detectable in chemtrail samples. bromine is an odd element. it is even more destructive on the ozone hole than chlorine. yet, in its ionized form, bromine can swallow up 5 fluorine atoms!
ethylene bromide (EDB) is a fumigant, pesticide, toxin, jet-fuel additive and carcinogen. it breaks down in the presence of uv and ir radiation and water.. the half life is short.. about a day. the byproducts are ethelyne and BROMINE.
why use EDB in the first place? well, again, bromine has a great appetite for fluorine (BRF5).. aluminum has a stronger affinity for fluorine, but fewer atoms can be swallowed (ALF3). can the EDB breakdown to BR- flying on the toxic spider pillow filaments allowing it to scavage fluorine?
powdered aluminum is extremely reactive with EDB. barium, aluminum, and bromine all are good scavengers for fluorine. but remember, bromine ions (BR-) are extremely damaging to ozone.. so unless they form BRF5, there is a chance that more damage could result.
madness.
also, aluminium-fluoride complexes (AlFx) are extremely toxic to protein synthesis in mammals. ALFx which forms readily in the body from these now abundant toxic chemicals, can damage thyroid T-3 receptors, T-cells, and even act as a mutagen. ALFx crosses the blood-brain barrier to pump aluminum into the brain. alzheimers has skyrocketed in the past 20 years.
so, toxins produced. more toxins used to scavenge toxins, raining toxins down on the biosphere. population control? you bet. whether this is a goal or not. madmen continuing to cover up their destruction so that they can continue to pollute for profit instead of developing renewable energies, fuel cells, hydrogen power, or free energy/msh technologies.
why is new zealand firing up all these coal power plants in light of its so-called "green" image? nz government, run by international big busines, is not green at all. this land unfortunately is covered by toxins just like all other OECD nations.
health tip: EDTA chelation therapy. removes aluminum and other heavy metals from body tissues.. this should be subsidized to every citiizen by the government which is complicit in this toxic warfare :?
if any one with more knowledge of chemistry.. degreed, etc. would like to take a crack at this... especially the EDB/aluminum/Fluoride chelation.. that would be great!
the more information we gather, the better we will be able to understand what to do to protect ourselves and our families from the future of global chemtrail experimentation
Great article Hiero. I have studied a bit about a few of the suppressed free energy machines that are out there and I dont understand why they havent been introduced. Surely big brother could find a way to put a charge on the free energy output. Tis a stupid question I know but why pollute and damage when it can be win-win
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 12:31 am Post Subject:
Superb stuff Heiro,
- but I think I'll leave the chemistry to you (and any others so inclined). However I'd like to comment on:
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why is New Zealand firing up all these coal power plants in light of its so-called "green" image? nz government, run by international big business, is not green at all. this land unfortunately is covered by toxins just like all other OECD nations.
I think that many NZers are really attached to that clean green image of this country. This perception makes them very reluctant to see the reality. It's like acknowledging truth or even taking an interest in it is disloyal somehow. Probably why we have so much difficulty interesting people in the Chemtrail issue - like in Marlborough. Now there's an area with a bad dose of toxic madness, as you put it.
Arsenic and E coli in the water supply, horticultural spray drift, chemicals raining down out of the sky, 1080 and other pesticides and God knows what else. It's no wonder there's so many people with depressed immune systems and the "so many people I know are sick" syndrome.
Here’s an interesting little story that sort of sums it up…
John, I had not heard about this in Seddon, although I had heard that E-coli is in the Seddon water and this was just a few weeks ago.
I might try to ring the phone number you provided in one of the articles and talk to the people involved. MDC are a useless lot for sure. Marlborough is terribly conservative and I can imagain the fury directed against the "foreigners"....we got it when we first came to the area and especially over the goats. Had threats and all sorts of nasty phone calls.
We were told that we would not make good NZ citizens if we did not go along with the policies and that they didn't want "foreigners" coming into the area and telling them what to do. The locals tried to have me publically censured...it goes on and on.
However, now that I have lived here over 30 years on the island and the animals have been recognised....I am treated very kindly. I stuck to my guns and this seems to count locally.The vineyard question is a sticky one as so much of the local economy rides on them
The same is true of fighting the expansion of mussel farms in East Bay as many MDC people are involved.
Maybe I should take up knitting!
Hugs Betty
When we fought the expansion of mussel farms in East Bay, the MDC was useless as many were involved in that enterprise as well....It was a huge battle and not over yet.
I am having un uphill struggle with the locals about the trails too
Maybe I should just take up knitting!!
Hugs Betty
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 3:21 pm Post Subject:
Hi Betty,
I presume that...
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Maybe I should just take up knitting!!
...is a euphemism for giving up? You're just bluffing. You couldn't give up, it's not in you. :shock: :D
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We were told that we would not make good NZ citizens if we did not go along with the policies and that they didn't want "foreigners" coming into the area and telling them what to do. The locals tried to have me publicly censured...it goes on and on.
However, now that I have lived here over 30 years on the island and the animals have been recognised.... I am treated very kindly. I stuck to my guns and this seems to count locally.
It's bad enough for Aucklanders working in Marlborough, I can only imagine what it's like for 'foreigners'. In April 2003 we went on assignment to the region to capture vintage and the wine making process for a wine producer client (that fortunate (?) trip where we were first introduced to the reality of the Chemtrail phenomena and the weird technologies associated with them). To our surprise, we experienced much resentment at times purely because we were from Auckland. Our client was even approached by one of his workers upbraiding him for hiring us instead of local photographers!
As part of the job we were specifically asked to capture the hand pickers at work and in particular a group posed shot. The workers from out of the region were fine, but some of the locals 'poked much borax' at us, pointing out all the shortcomings of JAFAs in our hearing ('stealing all our money for your roads' etc). When it came to the group shot being very uncooperative. Hiding behind others in the group, pulling faces or refusing to smile, that sort of stuff. :roll: Basically not giving of themselves.
We did get a reasonable pic out of the shoot, but only by taking many shots, making anti-Auckland jokes to make them smile, and in post processing by cutting out heads from some images and pasting them into the final pic. Not a great result, but OK for the purpose, of a postcard and for the web. Thank God for Photoshop! This is the final result here:
I have to say that the middle and top echelon of the company were, and always have been, excellent to work with. The problem seems to be with the ‘ordinary’ locals and probably only associated with working there, taking bread from their mouths, not when you’re a tourist and putting money into the community – something like that. Then again, we have had some surly reactions when we’ve tried to discuss trails or haze… We felt quite saddened by the episode, we don’t tend to identify ourselves as Aucklanders or even New Zealanders particularly. We’re all in this together, where you were born or where you live is irrelevant…
Back to the gentleman from Seddon, Fred Wyke, I believe his name is, I have a feeling that much of his problems result from Chemtrail fallout rather than just spray drift. It’s easy to see though, why he totally blames vineyard spray, how can you blame something that is not acknowledged, that doesn’t exist?
From my last post:
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Arsenic and E coli in the water supply, horticultural spray drift, chemicals raining down out of the sky, 1080 and other pesticides and God knows what else. It's no wonder there's so many people with depressed immune systems and the "so many people I know are sick" syndrome.
Hi John
Definitely joking.....I don't really like knitting that much!!
No worries.....I am a very stubborn individual and do not like to see big brother go unquestioned or unchallenged. Might be getting bit long in the tooth as they say, but I still can feel my hackles rise when I read the likes of those stories you sent about that poor fellow in Seddon.
Could definitey be the trails in his case compounded by the local spraying.
Your experiences sound fairly typical for those entering the sacred portals of Marlborough.....very conservative and inward looking...run by a few old families and their side-kicks.
However, that said, there are some really great folks here as well with the ability to listen and learn, sadly they are in the minority.
Might try to ring the fellow tonight
I sent some pictures...hope they arrived??
Hugs Betty
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 5:09 pm Post Subject:
Well we got one of them you uploaded to the gallery. Did you upload others? Maybe you forgot to resize and they failed to upload because of size or something...
We made this post yesterday, referring to the sunset. If you have more we would love to see them...
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 5:16 pm Post Subject:
Actually... A tip to help clarify whether an image was uploaded successfully to the gallery (apart from the confirmation message that should be received after the upload):
In the Photo Gallery home, click on Last Uploads from the text menu at the top and you should be able to see your photo (once approved of course).
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:40 pm Post Subject:
Hi Hiero,
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seriously sad times for us living creatures
Yes, sad times indeed. I do believe that there are probably quite a number of individuals that suffer from similar afflictions but without the Seddon gentleman's 'opportunity' to focus on an apparent cause.
From my recent post:
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I have a feeling that much of his problems result from Chemtrail fallout rather than just spray drift. It’s easy to see though, why he totally blames vineyard spray, how can you blame something that is not acknowledged, that doesn’t exist?
Hi John and Melody
Just as a point of interest....about 2 days after you put the "special" interview about me on Mysterious NZ, I have NOT seen any trails!!
Wonder if this is a coincidence or what????
Have had a series of lovely, sunny days whcih we have not had for some time.
Thought this was worth mentioning as it seems strange not to see the trails each and every day Made me wonder if the publicity has been noted by "them"
Hugs Betty
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 2:09 pm Post Subject:
Hi Betty,
It would be nice to imagine that 'they' regard us with so much respect that 'they' feel that 'they' have to suspend operations when we bring attention to bear on a particular area. :D However, the truth is that whoever 'they are probably don't care one jot about the likes of MNZ...
It was strange though, that while we were waiting for the water taxi at Picton, before visiting you, we saw two big spreading contrail clouds over the Sounds to the North, then not one while we were visiting you.
We are very interested in night-time operations in your area. While we were in Marlborough mid March this year we saw and photographed evidence of night-time East/West or West/East Chemtrails and also saw evidence of this type of covert operation in the lower North Island. We also have suspicions that it happens over Auckland...
Hi John
I thought about the fact that not one trail showed while you were here too.
Anyway, my trusty eye are peeled, but I might not see much if this activity is taking place at night! What do I do....listen for aircraft noise or is there some sort of visible trail that shows up in the dark? I am pretty sure we have night activity, but would not know how to verify it....any clues?
What makes me think there is night goings on is that I have gone out at first light and there were the Cts already in the hardly-lit sky.
Other than that I am not certain what I am looking or listening for.
Am really just about all better and my energy level is rising, which is good.
Hope you both are well
Hugs Betty
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 4:14 pm Post Subject:
Hi Betty,
Yes we are both well thank you. We can easily tell when you are 'well' - your're up posting or uploading pics and looking for something more to do. :D
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Anyway, my trusty eye are peeled, but I might not see much if this activity is taking place at night! What do I do....listen for aircraft noise or is there some sort of visible trail that shows up in the dark? I am pretty sure we have night activity, but would not know how to verify it....any clues?
What makes me think there is night goings on is that I have gone out at first light and there were the CTs already in the hardly-lit sky.
Those morning signs are probably the biggest indicator, though one that the sceptic would say has no validity as what you are seeing could be normal cirrus. It is surprising what you can actually see at night given a clear sky. On moon-lit nights the trails are very clear, but even without the moon they can be seen...
Some pics from the MNZ Photo Gallery, from near you:
Blenheim 19th March 2005 8:56pm. Two massive trails laid down in darkness. North/South or South/North
Blenheim 19th March 2005 9:30pm. Trails left earlier significantly spreading across the moonlit sky.
Blenheim 20th March 2005 2:30am. After moon went down. Looks like a searchlight beam in this photo, but in fact this was a huge straight trail advancing across the night sky above the illuminated winery. Roughly travelling East /West, West/East (didn't see this one being laid down, so not sure from which direction it originated) in line with New Renwick Road. Difficult to capture in the conditions. This was a 30 second exposure.
If the direction was exactly East/West, then the plane would have to have come from/to the top of Tasmania to/from between Conception and Valvidia on the coast of Chile...
I don't think you'll hear anything - the 'planes' involved in such covert operations may not even have engines, as we know them...
Just a theory ive got but some of the activity over the past couple of weeks has been strange and I am seeing it on my way home from work after 5. Off the coast there appears a thick trail that is switched on...goes for a short while then dissapates very quickly and is gone. No sign of the aircraft even when I am watching the short spray line. I am wondering whether they are trying to find ways to limit the sprays visability and maybe in the future we wont even know its goin on. Hope not, but the activity is definately not normal. It could just be they are laying a test trail checking the conditions and drift.
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 12:19 am Post Subject:
Hi Deano,
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Just a theory ive got but some of the activity over the past couple of weeks has been strange and I am seeing it on my way home from work after 5. Off the coast there appears a thick trail that is switched on...goes for a short while then dissipates very quickly and is gone. No sign of the aircraft even when I am watching the short spray line.
Please keep us informed of any further developments, anything that represents a recurrent pattern etc...
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I am wondering whether they are trying to find ways to limit the sprays visibility and maybe in the future we wont even know its goin on. Hope not, but the activity is definitely not normal. It could just be they are laying a test trail checking the conditions and drift
I often wonder if they are able to create a Chem-haze without the usual trails or other than the usual trails to haze process. Maybe a trail that converts to haze very quickly...
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 12:26 am Post Subject:
Betty Rowe wrote:
Amazing pictures John and Melody
Yes. This was the very first time we saw persistent spreading contrails at night, despite having heard about them before.
Fortunately, we were well equipped having just done a full day's photoshoot and were able to whip out the tripod and camera as we were leaving the function. The illuminated winery interferes a little with the last picture, but we wanted to keep the building in shot. The proxmity and angle makes it look as though the trail above is actually originating from the ground, like a searchlight, when this is not in fact, the case.
Do you think my camera will be able to photograph any night shots?
It is a digitel and supposedly a good one...any special settings needed.
Heard planes last night, but saw nothing.
Hugs Betty
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 1:04 pm Post Subject:
Hi Betty,
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Do you think my camera will be able to photograph any night shots?
It is a digital and supposedly a good one...any special settings needed.
I know you have a Kodak digital, but what model is it? If you post info on the model here, I'll try and answer that question for you. Some cameras have a specific night mode or may have enough manual functions to allow this type of shot, there's got to be some way to do it...
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Heard planes last night, but saw nothing
They may have been low flying flights to Wellington. It can be very quiet on Arapawa at night when the sea is calm, so I guess on those occasions you've probably got more chance of hearing high flying planes than those of us in the noisy cities. :)
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 4:49 pm Post Subject:
Hi Betty,
Re: Night photos on your Kodak CX7530
When shooting at night, because of the very low ambient light, it's a given that you cannot take the pic while holding the camera in your hands as you would a daylight shot. So the use of some different techniques to daylight photography are necessary.
What is first required is something steady to hold the camera for you, otherwise all your pics will be blurred. Usually a photographer would use a tripod and attach the camera to it. Not everybody has a tripod but fortunately there are other simple and effective options. You can, for example, rest the camera on some flat and solid surface such as a fencepost or a flat railing on a deck or veranda. The disadvantage of this though, is that in your case you are wishing to take pics more upwards than the horizontal viewpoint that this method would generally restrict you to. So I recommend the 'high-tech' bag of rice trick. Select a suitably sized zip-top plastic bag and put about One kilo of rice in it, ideally it should be about two thirds full. Remove the air from the bag and now it should be somewhat like a miniature beanbag - and a most effective and steady nest for the camera. Find a suitable surface such as the aforementioned fence post or railing and nestle the camera in it. You'll find the camera can be quite precisely aimed up to relatively high elevations and will not move.
Next the problem of releasing the shutter (pressing the go button) without moving the camera and creating a blurred pic. This is simply achieved by using the camera's self-timer. Here's an extract from the online manual for your camera, which explains how to use it, in this case for taking a pic of yourself:
The Self Timer creates a 10-second delay between the time you press the Shutter button and the time the picture is taken.
Place the camera on a flat surface or tripod.
In any Still mode, press the Self-Timer button.
The Self-Timer icon appears in the status area.
Compose the scene. Then press the Shutter button halfway and hold to set the exposure and focus, then press the rest of the way down. Move so that you are in the scene.
The Self-Timer light blinks slowly for 8 seconds (then quickly for 2 seconds) before the picture is taken. The Self-Timer turns off after you take the picture or if you change modes.
To cancel the Self-Timer before the picture is taken, press the Self-Timer button. (The Self-Timer setting remains active.)
To turn off the Self Timer, press the Self Timer button twice.
If you do take photographs on the railing of your deck, keep still once you press the shutter release otherwise movement of the deck may cause blurring of the pic.
The next consideration is to ensure the correct exposure for the night shot. The CX7530's automatic exposure function may struggle with a photo of trails at night, so some manual intervention will probably be required. There is a "Night" mode on your camera, however this appears to be associated with the camera's flash unit, so probably not what we require. What we are looking for is Long Time Exposure (LT), one of the camera's menu options. Info on this is to be found here:
Choose how long the shutter stays open. To leave the shutter open longer, increase the value.
NOTE: When Long Time Exposure is set, Exposure Compensation is set to zero and ISO is set to Auto.
Now it's a matter of you experimenting, taking a number of pics with varying settings to see what works for the occasion. My own night shot exposures vary from 10 up to about 30 seconds.
I hope this is of some help to you Betty, let us know how you get on.
