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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:00 pm Post Subject: CT: Canterbury Report
it's funny.. right when you think it may be a few days without a ct plane.. don't count your blessings...
as we all know from the lion's test.. the weather over-weekend was southerly.. cold, windy and generally winter.. which is good to see at the 43.5deg southern paralell!!!.. and.. only one or two small to medium sized trails overhead over the weekend..
monday morning was simply beautiful... clear blue skies!! great visibility... cold, but thank god.. natural skies.. BUT.. by 1pm.. a few chemtrails began to appear.. parallell lines over the southern alps...west to east... again.. just stopping.. there was a long trail laid right along the edge of the alps.. it was thin.. didn't plume.. but extended the entire range of vision.. 100s of kms.. from south of christchurch to beyond inland hanmer springs..
by evening we had a red/orange.. high cloud..mixed with high grey swirly cloud.. aluminum/barium sunset?.. with this added circular "wave like" grey patterns like an onion.. layer upon layer..emanating from the mountains... scalar intereference? natural.. didn't look like it.. but simply don't know.. but i pointed this out to my wife.. and she agreed that it was surreal..
(unfortunately didn't snap a photo of this one)
today, i obseved some strange trails to the north (say over northen canterbury over the coast) just some segments.. a few kms of spray.. turn off... then another few kms.. etc.. dashed lines.. about four of them... what's this for? the plumes lingered, but never formed any real high cloud cover.. for the albedo effect?
also, does anyone else notice that some of the ct sprays appear to almost initially disappear.. similar to contrails.. then "strangely" reappear as plumes maybe ten to twenty minutes later? very strange.. the ground temp is about 13C today.. and i did see a commercial flight (path would be wellington to dunedin) fly over.. but only wispy contrails.. evaporating completely within five minutes..
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:46 pm Post Subject: The Albedo Effect
Hieronymous uses the term 'albedo' effect in his post above. I had never heard of the term before. Here is a definition (From Wikipedia):
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The albedo is a measure of reflectivity of a surface or body. It is the ratio of electromagnetic radiation (EM radiation) reflected to the amount incident upon it. The fraction, usually expressed as a percentage from 0% to 100%, is an important concept in climatology and astronomy. This ratio depends on the frequency of the radiation considered: unqualified, it refers to an average across the spectrum of visible light. It also depends on the angle of incidence of the radiation: unqualified, normal incidence. Fresh snow albedos are high: up to 90%. The ocean surface has a low albedo. Earth has an average albedo of 37-39% whereas the albedo of the Moon is about 12%. In astronomy, the albedo of satellites and asteroids can be used to infer surface composition, most notably ice content. Enceladus, a moon of Saturn, has the highest known albedo of any body in the solar system, with 99% of EM radiation reflected.
Human activities have changed the albedo (via forest clearance and farming, for example) of various areas around the globe. However, quantification of this effect is difficult on the global scale: it is not clear whether the changes have tended to increase or decrease global warming.
The "classical" example of albedo effect is the snow-temperature feedback. If a snow covered area warms and the snow melts, the albedo decreases, more sunlight is absorbed, and the temperature tends to increase. The converse is true: if snow forms, a cooling cycle happens. The intensity of the albedo effect depends on the size of the change in albedo and the amount of insolation; for this reason it can be potentially very large in the tropics.
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 9:50 am Post Subject:
carus,
thanks for that website link... it is extremely informative..
i had landed on that site before during a surf, but then had failed to bookmark it..
today, i obseved some strange trails to the north (say over northen canterbury over the coast) just some segments.. a few kms of spray.. turn off... then another few kms.. etc.. dashed lines.. about four of them... what's this for? the plumes lingered, but never formed any real high cloud cover.. for the albedo effect?
Do you think that scalar technology has something to do with this then?
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 8:24 pm Post Subject:
carus,
yes.. i do.
nz has some of the most varied.. complicated.. and intense weather systems in all of the OECD...a perfect playground for experimentation/control.
(and a very mature new world order government/economy/society).
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Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:56 pm Post Subject:
Good point Hiero,
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nz has some of the most varied.. complicated.. and intense weather systems in all of the OECD...a perfect playground for experimentation/control.
(and a very mature new world order government/economy/society).
We also tend to believe that New Zealand is useful to 'the powers that be' as an experimental ground for all sorts of things. A couple in the more overt category that come to mind are 'Eftpos' and 'Product Activation' (Microsoft). Because of our relatively small size and the nature of our society, change can take place very quickly - something most important to the experimenters. Kiwis also tend to quickly embrace new technology and concepts, conservatism is not so deeply engrained here. Of course these aspects can make us somewhat dangerous and risky as lab-rats - look at the nuclear issue currently under scrutiny. Fortunately for them though NZers can be as naive, susceptible to propaganda and disinformation as any - and as blinded by self-interest and greed...
With regard to Chemtrails, the small physical size of this country would make it relatively easy to saturate our skies with a Chem-layer. Our proximity to the secret US secret bases in Australia (and probably in Antarctica) also useful.
But our size also makes it easier to detect anomalous flight paths than it is in countries with larger landmasses. The stuff you and others report Hiero is most valuable in this regard. We really need a complete network of observers that cover the entire country to report regularly on the Chemtrail activity. Extraordinary and complete evidence is required in order to prove our case to the New Zealand public...
I can't believe the rubbish spouted in here about "chem-trails" . If you would only OBSERVE closely and with an open mind rather than one filled with conspiracy theories what is actually happening when they form. All you will see is the normal interaction of a jet aircraft passing through air with certain characteristics. The contrail may become pervasive given the right conditions of mid level atmosphere winds temperature and humidity.
You seem to be well informed on such matters perhaps you would care to give a detailed account of how and what conditions are necessary for contrails to form and persist for many hours.
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Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 2:58 pm Post Subject:
Hi Salub,
Mysterious New Zealand is, of course, about the mysterious and the anomalous. It is also about learning from others with respect for their views, sharing observations and discoveries, questioning and challenging the accepted and exposing what we believe is not-right. And doing all this with an uncompromising personal sense of purpose to be able to perceive the world as it really is - and not how the politicians, mainstream media, administrators, scientists, military, big business, religions, intelligence services, medical orthodoxy etc and all those with a vested interest in the status quo, would have us see it.
Thus we welcome you on that basis and echo Azimuth's comments:
Azimuth wrote:
You seem to be well informed on such matters perhaps you would care to give a detailed account of how and what conditions are necessary for contrails to form and persist for many hours.
Indeed share your knowledge with us Salub, you may have facts, observations and understandings that we have not contacted before. We look forward to your future communications...
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Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 3:52 pm Post Subject:
hi salub,
welcome to the forum.
you ask a basic question which deserves a basic answer. these plumes that all of us photograph.. you know the ones.. they're plastered all over this site.. and on hundreds of others all over the world.. these mysterious lines in the sky that go one for a hundred kilometers, laid in geometric patterns, and that spread out up to several kms in width that can eventually form fibrous altocirrus clouds with sometimes anything but natural square shapes.. those lines are just normal contrails from jet exhaust?!
chemtrails vs contrails: a primer.
contrails are water vapor from jet exhaust that form at very cold tempearatures and at high relative humidities. according to the noaa, around minus 45F and greater than 70% humidity. it's similar to when "fog" comes out your breath when it's cold, but moist.. a phenomenon very well known to us cantabrians :)
i lived some time in the northern central valley in california where somedays it would dip to minus 5C. on days where the humidity was also high, just after a storm, the breath would come out like fog blasts and fall to the ground as freezing fog.. we were all human contrail makers at 5 feet asl (above sea level)! yet, strangely, on some days, for example when a dry northeasterly wind (read this as a canty norwest) blew and the humidities were low, it could be at or below 0C, yet no breath contrails! both conditions need to be prevalent. very low temperatures and high humidity.
ok, so this water vapor condensed at high altitudes on certain days.. what happens to it? well, gravity takes over and the condensation trail drops into warmer altitudes. in addition, the vapor is heated by solar ir and converted back into water droplets. contrails in the lower stratosphere (below 10,000 meters asl) disappear quickly. contrails laid by high flying (generally military aircraft) above 20,000 meters asl tend to linger longer. air temperatures in the stratosphere actually decrease as you move down from 50,000 meters to around 20,000 meters. this inverse temperature law in the stratosphere can make high flying aircraft have longer lasting vapor trails.
to differentiate between contrail and chemtrail, therefore one must look at:
altitude the craft is flying. if you can actually see the plane type, it's in the lower stratosphere (5,000 to 10,000 meters asl)
what is coming out of it? is it bright white vapor trail or a somewhat oily, teal colored plume?
does it persist longer than expected?
does it get bigger over time?
where is the stream coming from? the engines? or vents on the wings, stabilizer, or under the craft?
is it possible for aircraft cruising at the same apparent altitude to have different trails? many have observed this phenomenon whereby one plane produces a whispy contrail, yet the other is laying down a persistent plume or "chemtrail. there are others on forums throughout the world, but here is one in nelson:
contrails exist. chemtrails exist.
the us government and us airforce have acknowledged the existence of chemtrails. in october 2002, us congressman dennis kucinich listed chemtrails in h.r. 2977 as an exotic weapons system. just prior to ratification by the congress, "chemtrails" was deleted from the legislation.
why would the us congress consider water vapor to be an exotic space based weapons system?
chemtrails have been used by the us military since the late 1980s.. in the gulf war and for research all over the oecd. radar ducting naturally occurs over large bodies of water (through ionization) yet can be simulated over coastal areas and land masses by the spraying of barium salts in the troposphere (the lower part of the atmosphere.. from sea level to about 10,000 meters.. where most aircraft, including commercial cruise). a remarkable thing occurs.. rf point to point communication is achievable even over the curvature of the earth! my father is a retired aerospace engineer (specializing in radar) and has confirmed this technology is sound and feasible:
climate change. it's worth about 6.5 billion lives and all the money in the world. in 1997, edward teller, the father of the h-bomb and evil genius who proposed that some parts of the north american coastline be blown up by h-bombs to configure them for commercial and military shipping ports, proposed the addition of "reflective metallic particles" into the atmosphere as a cheap way to mitigate global warming.
in the early 1990s, the hughes aircraft corporation (now raytheon) patented the chemtrail spraying technology for climate modification via the atmospheric distribution of aluminium and other metal oxides from aircraft. read the actual u.s. patent for yourself:
in 2004, wayne hall, from the university of sydney wrote to the european parliament via the magazine spectre about this climate modification nightmare we all face in the next few decades.
also, the atmospheric science program (asp) now home to the "tropospheric AEROSOL program" (remember troposphere.. up to 10,000 meters.. we're not talking stratosphere where normal exhaust "contrails" form) acknowledges the use of tropospheric "AEROSOL" plumes to control and modify global climate change. this is a huge multi-disciplined, multi-departmental research project with such "lightweights" as the us department of energy, nasa, the noaa, the brookhaven national laboratory, the lawrence livermore labs (home of the famous manhattan projects), national science foundation, the epa, and strangely the department of energy's office on BIOLOGICAL and environmental research... hmmm.
narsto is another group chartered by the us executive branch of the us government.. that's right... billbob clinton himself.. in 1995. this one is impressive.. this group melts key private industry with all the government agencies of canada, usa and mexico: department of agriculture, environment canada, epa, nsf, , dupont corporation, eastman kodak company, ford motor company, plus countless others.. a truly new world effort.
ok, so all this is american, or at least north american oriented, right? nope. it gets bigger. the international arm of these climate modifcation projects is called igac. some real lightweights involved here.. all the above including offices in every oecd nation. david lowe of new zealand (niwa) chairs the scientific steering committee... wow.. the talent in our little nation!. we're not all just about rugby folks.. we have some impressive scientists as well.. (i guess we won't mention ernest rutherford... i mustn't digress)..
ok... so let's get this straight... 100s if not 1000s of billions of dollars being spent by the melding of global oecd government and corporate industry to fight global climate change with "water vapor trails!"? radar ducting using water vapor trails! millions of dollars spent to design a welsbach chemtrail sprayer to spray tap water into the atmosphere?
"come on horatio, there are more things in heaven and earth than what is dreamt in your philosophy!"
are there more sinister applications of this technology? some have reported biological pathogens and ethylene dibromide in spiderlike filaments that have fallen to earth after heavy spraying. are there black operations in progress as well as military ones?
well, definitely have a look at the haarp project. no, it's not a conspiracy theory. it's for real. oh, and the military needs an electrically charged atmosphere to maximize this technology:
yes salub, you have to make up your own mind on this subject. yet, we at this forum take this subject seriously. many in this group have taken much time and effort to produce scientifically observable evidence to support the chemtrail hypotheses. i'm sure the administrators will post more information on what this group is all about, but for now, do your homework! research, research and research again.
do contrails exist? yes.
do chemtrails exist: yes.
will you come back on this forum insisting that chemtrails are normal water "condensation" trails? i certainly hope not!
Great article Hiero, you are the man.
Just to add my 5 cents to Salubs comments. Salub I have observed chemtrails for some time now and was most convinced something wasnt right by the 'switch on' and 'switch off' lines that I was viewing. Check out some of the information, look at some of the photos...
See how far down the rabbit hole goes...
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Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 10:51 am Post Subject:
deano,
good one.. yes, those spray "segments" ..very interesting "condensation trail" behaviour wouldn't you say?.. i wonder how the pilots or passengers feel when the engines are shut down for 10 - 15 seconds intervals and the craft begins accelerating toward earth at 32 ft per sec/per sec :shock:
fwiw: gusty norwest in canty yesterday (13/7) afternoon.. the relative humidity on my gauge at home showed 35%.. we live right on the coast...it was extremely dry following a "dry southerly".. yet, over the alps, ahead ot the storm, once again these "condensation trails" were being laid down.. west to east at around 30,000 feet.. and these "condensation trails" would stop and start at intervals as well... thought it had to be high humidity over 70% for "condensation trails" to form and persist? :? must tell nasa and the noaa that they know nothing about weather or atmospheric science :roll:
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:30 pm Post Subject:
And while we are on the subject of distinguishing between the normal and the very anomalous, I think many people are likely to imagine that the 'grey beams' often associated with the laying of these chemtrails are just planes 'flying along their own shadows'...
In the case of those we photographed the sun was in entirely the wrong place to be casting any kind of shadow from off of the planes let alone a needle thin shadow stretching for many kilometres out in front of the planes. We observed planes flying from one horizon to another with the beam out the front of the plane the entire time, despite the plane's location in relation to the sun changing continually...
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:13 pm Post Subject:
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Wouldnt it be great if someone had a big telescopic lens camera and could zoom right up close to the plane...
:-) Yeah that would be great. We have longer lenses for our camera now than we did then, though they require a tripod. Next time we'll be ready for them!
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thats if theres a plane there.
Funny you should say that actually... Some of our shots taken on this particular occasion over the Waihopai spy base that day have NO visible plane ahead of the trails they are leaving. At first, we were doubtful, thinking that maybe it's a trick of the light or something, but we have examined quite a number of them in detail and in many of them, there is definitely NO plane, just the persistent contrails/chemtrails.
P.S. I should probably add at this point also, that the majority of the shots we refer to were taken in RAW format and thus, are impossible to fake. You cannot save or edit an image taken in RAW - you can only process the RAW as another format like a PSD, TIFF or JPG.
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 7:12 pm Post Subject:
Hello All,
Salub really seemed to stir things up with his comment! If you are still out there Salub, Good Onya! As Mel said, a good devils advocate can be useful all of us. If we've got it all wrong, I wanna know where.
That said, I would like to say thanks to Hieronymous for an EXCELLENT post. Concise, well researched with good, credible and acurate references. And a absence of hyperbole! I learned a lot.
