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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:01 pm Post Subject: Fluoride & the Maori Traditional Relationship with Water
A while ago, in a thread on Fluoride, I wrote the following:
Melody Anderson wrote:
I did read a document in the public library some time back and remember something I found very interesting. I believe there is some proviso in the law, where fluoridation of water supplies is concerned, which states that in any community where fluoride is added to the water, there must be provision made for locals to obtain unadulterated water - something to do with Iwi/Maori and the recognition of the sacredness of the land, and hence water. This was a document that wasn't available for permanent lending, or I would have borrowed it. But as I remember it was a fairly lengthy report on the fluoride issue in New Zealand. It might be worthwhile trying to track down. Next time I'm at the library in question, I'll have another look.
Well I finally got back to the library in question and took a copy of the passage I had read. Thought it might be interesting to anyone living in an area with fluoridated water or areas that are considering it. While it doesn't necessarily look like the points of access for untreated water are a legal requirement, it may well be a common consideration made by many councils who fluoridate (particularly in our more 'culturally sensitive' political environment of today).
For anyone in a fluoridated area who would prefer to use pure water, might be worthwhile checking out if there are any access points in your area, or if your council is considering fluoridation, even perhaps making a submission on this basis (thinking of Deano here) - particularly if you have any claim to Maori ancestry...
The following passage is from Water Fluoridation in New Zealand - An Analysis and Monitoring Report by the Public Health Commission, 1994. The final draft of the report was prepared by Dr. Nicholas Wilson, Public Health Medicine Specialist. A total of 82 submissions were received from various organisations and individuals in response to a draft report released in May 1993.
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Encroaching on the Maori Traditional Relationship with Water
The Maori traditional relationship with water has been discussed recently in the context of the Wellington Region's fluoridation review (Report of the Review Panel, 1993). It noted that, in the traditional Maori world view, water and its use has physical and spiritual importance. In this view "water pollution, no matter how minor, offends the spiritual value of the water body". A typology described by Douglas (1991) is shown below in abbreviated form:
Waiora: The purest form of water containing the source of life and wellbeing.
Waiora has potential to give life, to sustain wellbeing, and to counteract evil.
Waimaori: Water that has come into unprotected contact with humans. It is water that is running freely, clear or lucid, but no longer having any particular sacred associations.
Waikino: In the spiritual sense, this water has been polluted or spoilt.
Waimate: Water which has lost its mauri and is dead, damaged or polluted (to an even greater extent than waikino). The water has lost its power to rejuvenate, either itself or other living things.
Waitai: Water as the sea, surf, or tide.
In this context it is likely that some Maori may consider fluoridated water to be to some extent "spoilt" and to have become waikino or even waimate. The Maori perspective on water quality may also have a special focus on particular water sources. For example, the Wellington review panel was told at a meeting at the Te Tatau 0 Te Po marae that the artesian aquifer had a particular significance as the source of traditional wai puny (spring water). Such water is used in the most sacred ceremonies and therefore access to untreated water is of considerable significance. Water fluoridation may also be seen as overlapping with pollution of food sources by more serious pollutants, which is an important concern for Maori (Durie, 1985).
Given this background, the fluoridation of water can be seen as being an imposition on the traditional Maori relationship with water. However, this would also be the case for chlorination which appears to have fairly widespread acceptance by all ethnic groups (at least based on the lack of complaints to authorities about chlorination). A critical factor is probably having access to pure water at sonic level. In the Hutt Valley situation for example, there have always been places where the public can obtain artesian water that is neither fluoridated nor chlorinated. Current plans are to continue to provide access points to untreated water once the rest of the Hutt Valley is supplied with fluoridated water.
Although no systematic survey of Maori has been conducted, the information from Maori presented in the Wellington fluoridation review was favourable to water fluoridation overall. This was, however, in the context of continuing access to pure water. Such an impression is based on the fact that the Te Awakairangi Regional Board supported the fluoridation of Petone's water supply (and noted concern about the poor dental health of Maori children). One of the five review panel members (Teri Puketapu) was a representative of Maori International. He agreed with the panel's decision to extend fluoridation to Petone and endorsed the view that "the ethical issues and the traditional relationship of Maori to water can be addressed in part by the provision of points of unfluoridated water supply" (Report of the Review Panel, 1993).
Interesting piece Melody isnt it a crying shame to see more places rather than less putting in Fluoridation systems. Dumb the people down so they dont ask so many questions.
"Born and raised by those who praise control of population"-Red hot chillis,Californication. 8)
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 11:44 pm Post Subject:
Deano wrote:
Interesting piece Melody isnt it a crying shame to see more places rather than less putting in Fluoridation systems.
Yep. We were on tank water for many years (great) and recently moved to an area on town supply. It's not fluoridated, but the chlorine flavour of our tap water is horrifically strong. Terrible. We filter our drinking water. We bought some of the Pump brand bottled water the other day - jeez it tasted just about as bad as our tap water! I did read that some companies were found to be selling bottled water sourced from normal tap water. Don't know if it's the case with the above named brand - it says spring water on the label. Bizarre to imagine people buying bottled water in preference to tap water and ending up drinking the same thing. I ended up pouring the Pump water into our filter jug :?
A little something from the Herald:
"Bottled water costs around a thousand times more than that from the tap. We pay more for water than we do for petrol but marketers are confident they can lure more of us to the bottle....Bottled water may be convenient and healthier than other drinks but nothing suggests it is any better than tap water. In 1999, the Consumers Institute tested 17 brands of bottled water and found little difference between those labelled mineral waters and the Auckland and Christchurch tap water it tested." :!:
Deano wrote:
Dumb the people down so they dont ask so many questions
Maybe... Seems to me a lot of people are playing an active part in their own dumbing down these days - watching trash TV, false and superficial values, less and less genuine caring towards others... Takes two to tango. We can only be dumbed down if we allow ourselves to be - don't you think?
Funny you should mention Pump. I used to work for coca-cola and drank quite a bit of Pump. The assistant manager would always joke with me that it was only filtered tap water. Maybe it wasnt a joke. However in saying that the pallets of Pump we got in had to go on hold for a couple of weeks before we could release them to the public. This was apparently due to micro-organisms being found on rare occasion that are occasionally disturbed in the depths due to underground earthquakes and such. All water products had these tests and from memory in the two years I was working there we may have sent back one line of stock.
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 3:26 pm Post Subject:
Deano wrote:
Funny you should mention Pump. I used to work for coca-cola and drank quite a bit of Pump. The assistant manager would always joke with me that it was only filtered tap water. Maybe it wasnt a joke...
:P Heh heh. We only buy it for the bottles! (didn't taste that filtered to me either) Maybe it's half and half or something...
The Maori traditional relationship with water has been discussed recently in the context of the Wellington Region's fluoridation review (Report of the Review Panel, 1993). It noted that, in the traditional Maori world view, water and its use has physical and spiritual importance. In this view "water pollution, no matter how minor, offends the spiritual value of the water body".
Reading the different words above that Maori use for water reminded me of something I'd seen a while ago about water crystals.
A Japanese researcher by the name of Dr Masaru Emoto has written a book about hidden messages in water and includes photos of water crystals. It's very interesting stuff as water crystals take on many forms, or no form at all depending on what state and environment they're in.
There is a lot more to water than one thinks as described here:
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Water is life. As the planet is blanketed by nurturing salt seas and fresh water concourses, so are our own bodies, and those of all plants and animals, created from and provided for by water. We are bound to it and it to us so strongly that, as was discovered by Dr. Masaru Emoto, the vibrational energy projected by humans in the form of thoughts, words, ideas, intentions, and sounds has the power to alter water's molecular structure. Dr. Emoto was working with magnetic resonance fields when he realized that the unique crystalline forms assumed by frozen water indicated that the water bore the imprint of not only its physical state, but also its spiritual surroundings.
It would seem that water is very sensitive. In its pure state, the crystals are the most beautiful. When you consider it makes up 70% or so of our bodies it has even more importance that chemicals are kept out of it.
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:12 pm Post Subject: bottled water
I had writen a long conversations i had with a ceo of one of the big water companies, but i deleted it by mistake and dont have time to do it again.
I was doing a marketing campaign for a water company.
During the discussions we had i found out they all us tap water, the only thing they do is ozonate it to kill bacteria(not remove it) and some filtering, and that they dont use a filter that removes flouride and they only remove a small amount of the heavy metals etc.
the thing that makes water taste good is chilling it! and this is the secret to the taste....and why people buy it...
well why wouldn't they people believe every other lie there told!
Junk food is good in moderation
smoking doesnt kill you ( much)
paying tax is good
the media isn't bought
vaccines work
were not spying on you
theres no speeding ticket quota
Helen Clarke didnt know she was going 150km per hour ++
theres no freemasons in New Zealand thats just something in the US(there in every town).
NCA makes our kids achieve more (only on paper)
theres not enough power! yeah right the sun and wind would be useless to generate power...oh oh thats right anyone can do that for free so thats no good.
This is the lastest Folate is good for you never mind that even recommend does increase your chances of cancer and alzheiemers by 54%++
anyway drink distilled if you want to think clear and live long
google 'Massaru Emoto ' for just how important water could be for you well being
I had writen a long conversations i had with a ceo of one of the big water companies, but i deleted it by mistake and dont have time to do it again.
That's a shame. You can write posts in a text editor like Microsoft Word then copy and paste it into the forum from there. I think several of us here have had the same experience as you - losing a long post before submitting it :roll: Doing it off the forum first also gives you the opportunity to proof read your writing as well.
Interesting to hear your comments about the water. I assume you mean these are water companies that sell bottled water and advertise their products as natural spring water and the like?
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:11 pm Post Subject: Good idea
Thanks for the tip. I'm kinda new at the whole forum thing, but I thought I better start sharing the knownledge around because we are just getting a sea of lies and more lies thrown at us every day.
Yes some of the these people do sell there water as spring water and they are allowed to by law which this CEO pointed out to, but also add "but we dont".
He also tried to justify leaving the crap in the water because it taste better(245T taste good too). I make my living through marketing other peoples products although i have standards on who i work with, but I didn't want to burn my client by telling him its the chilling that gives the water a nice taste.
Distilled water is the only way really, although there are some good filters available( beware when the seller states the it leaves the good stuff in the water (what is the good stuff))
