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Joined: 09 Jun 2005
Posts: 266
Location: Christchurch
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:38 pm Post Subject: Aircraft Flight Levels/Vectors Don't Make Sense
folks,
let's presume that ct activity is all just a figment of our imagination.. ok, let's say, the earth, due to overuse of fossil fuels, or ozone depletion due to rampant cfc use in the 60s-80s has created an atmosphere that now "operates" differently than how it did in the past... now all aircraft, even those in the sub-30K asl flight levels, now produce "contrails" that spew out all over the place.. because "global warming" or we just can't compare today's high flying jets with those lower tech (dirtier) aircraft that used to produce these thin contrails that we all saw in the 70s and 80s..
ok, let's stretch the imagination and accept. great.
but... now let's look at a simple veritable observation.. readily available to us kiwis.. (more so than say americans or canadians).... flight vectors at altitudes that make absolutely no sense commercially or militarily...
look at the photo gallery picture of man with chemtrail behind him in queenstown... the ct appears to go directly over the gondola.. the man (presumably) is standing in the center of queenstown (based on visual cues).. this would make the ct trending northwest/southeast in the general compass rose...
ok... a craft at 30K feet over queenstown.. travelling in a nortwest to southeast vector???? hmm... the all popular "Haast to Port Molyneaux" commercial service... come on! this is where observational data can reveal that these flights are military in origin... if we extrapolate out it gets even sillier.. ok.. the hobart to antarctica ice shelf non-stop service? hope they at least get "warm" peanuts on that flight!..
notwithstanding.. does the nz airforce have the resources to fly all these sorties around new zealand?.. going from nowhere to nowhere? do the australians? why would they be flying these routes?
napier.. another good example.. there is a photo of ct activity over napier... ok, where are these flights going.. look at an airline vector map.. or simply.. a road map... unless the air new zealand or qantas nz pilot tippled a few too many at "the bach" bar at auckland airport and lost their way to wgtn/chch or dunedin, then again.. it's military.. not commercial.
we need to be vigilant.. and use common logic to fight these air vandals.. tooth and nail.
Joined: 05 Nov 2003
Posts: 387
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:35 pm Post Subject:
Hi Hiero,
Anomalous flight vectors represent, in our opinion, one of the two most significant weapons in our armoury in proving the veracity of the Chemtrail issue to the New Zealand public (The other being the presence of strange technologies associated with the trails).
Regarding your presentation - to me the key is to first dismiss the usual official explanations and then examine the places and situations where traditional *contrails* cannot be formed.
Ask why these aircraft are where they should not be. What are they doing? What is the reason for their antics in the sky when this never happened in days gone by - etc. etc.
In Auckland, here we are somewhat isolated from the main areas of trail activity unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your point of view).
My recent post:
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People from out of Auckland may wonder why we're making such a deal of a few contrails over the city. Well it's because they’re an unusual sight over this particular city.
Genuine commercial flights over Auckland at a height necessary to produce trails should be rare and an examination of international destinations will show why. Most inbound flights into New Zealand are to Auckland and of course will be at a very low altitude when approaching or leaving the city. So any trails we see will be from overflights. This rules out domestic flights totally and as far as I know should only apply to flights direct to and from Christchurch from and to overseas destinations that require them to fly over Auckland.
Given that commercial flights generally fly in a straight line between point of embarkation and destination, this means that North/South overflights must come from or be going to Alaska or Siberia. There are also the roughly East/West overflights also that head out into or come in from the Southern Pacific. These would seem to be flights between Melbourne and Chile (would they have enough fuel?). However given the curvature of the Earth and my amateurish chart navigation skills, this all could be totally wrong and I will soon be corrected by those with a better grasp of such stuff.
So most residents have never ever seen a persistent trail in this part of the country and when it happens it’s cause for some degree of wonder and comment. This is especially so during summer when it should be impossible for persistent trails to form…
So unless we head out in the MNZ van and visit other parts of the country ourselves, we are reliant on the most excellent recent observations of yourself, Hadleigh, Deano, and others out of Auckland such as Azimuth from the North, Betty and Pamela etc, in order to build up a picture of overall New Zealand activity. And especially the anomalous aspects, which as I mentioned are most significant.
You seem to be in a most unique location with a great viewpoint and the opportunity in your daily life to observe and share your observations. You are also our only correspondent from Canterbury, a place where anomalies such as unusual flight paths are more obvious. It would be great to have some more forum members from other significant parts of the country, committed to observing and reporting (some analyses of rain water etc would be nice also). There are vacancies in the Far North, Bay of Plenty, Hawkes Bay, Golden Bay, West Coast (South Island), lower South Island, to name a few places.
It is a very strange thing that although our forum is frequently visited by searchbots, it does not feature in search results from the major search engines, despite some special mods from an expert PHP programmer. Whereas our photo gallery and other MNZ pages feature very highly indeed. We are professional web site creators and know how to design sites to feature highly in search results, yet no matter what we do we can’t get one hit on Google and Yahoo. Try "mysterious new zealand" + forum in Google and you’ll see what I mean, we should at least get the forum home page. Most mysterious – it’s almost like censorship… If you don't think Google censors, try a search for Chemtrails or Persistent Contrails in Google News - you'll be lucky to get anything. We were somewhat relying on the forum to attract viewers and participants, yet it seems that people can only find the forum through the MNZ home page and the photo gallery.
Be that as it may, we will soon be uploading a Chemtrail Home page with a number of articles on specific related aspects and this will help in this regard - one hopes… We will welcome appropriate article contributions from correspondents such as yourself for this section and if you would consider something on, say these anomalous flight vectors, it would be warmly appreciated…
Joined: 09 Jun 2005
Posts: 266
Location: Christchurch
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 11:40 am Post Subject:
hi john,
thanks again.. as stated, you and melody have created a great website.. repository of information and discussion for open-minded, inquisitive people.
google search: forums. yea, not surprised. the reason: "you have created a great website.. repository of information and discussion for open-minded, inquisitve people" :)
like most great products and services, google started small, with brilliance. i couldn't believe it when i read it, but google has now become the world's biggest media company: :shock:
therefore, with its global elite ownership..it is unlikely that "search-bot algorithm liberty" will be included as one of the company's mission statements.
