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Joined: 09 Jun 2005
Posts: 266
Location: Christchurch
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:27 pm Post Subject: Canterbury Chemtrails
hi everyone,
it's encouraging to find nz site that exposes and discussed these awful geoengineering/black ops crimes. i first spotted a chemtrail in 1999 in southern california.. this "contrail" that was some 200 kms long over our home.. billowed out... the plane was white and travelling at very high rate of speed... we've all seen contrails folks.. i grew up in southern california.. the center of the military industrial complex. there were more jets flying around than sandflies in greymouth. contrails are thin, vaporous trails that do not "billow" and spread, with gaps, greasy rainbow colors, "X" and "tic tac toe" patterns, and these all strangely similar white planes. contrails form, generally get thinner over time, then dissipate. chemtrails billow out of the craft, get bigger, other craft fly directly into the trail.. often from seemingly ludicrous air traffic corridors (like the westport to chatham islands three times daily concorde service).
now living christchurch.. ex-pat american... so depressing to see this most beautiful of all countries getting geoengineered aluminium/barium and fibres sprayed all over its skies. criminals.
there seems to be and excessive amount of spraying proceeding a "norwest" frontal system.. with main lines running along the alps (direct from the west coast) to the blenheim/kaikoura/cook straight area.
i now have re-visited my childhood asthma, with my children seemingly effected now as well.
time to take back our skies. although, it's been banded about that not allowing participant nations to spray, is tantamoun to a military crime. weather modification? de-population? HAARP system? sunscreen? like a cloveleaf... four conjoining leaves... killing four birds with one spray. and the government wants to charge us with a fart tax nonetheless. what kind of warped reality is this?
just loaded some photos taken in late May 2005 over canterbury in the photo abum.
keep the dialogue flowing! this must be stopped or the alternative is grim to say the least.
We haven't had too many first hand reports from Christchurch. We have heard there is quite a bit going on in your area and would like to hear more....
We are very interested in the 'Westport to Chathams daily Concorde service' :D We witnessed the regular Antarctica run up and down the West Coast ourselves recently :-)
You say 'ludicrous air traffic corridors' - and that's exactly what they are when you take the time to actually put two and two together and question where the heck these flights are going. From our direct observations not enough people actually do that...
We are presently working on a very broad front. Endeavouring to create content for the site, research the science, gather content for our DVD presentation etc etc... It's great to have support from all around the country.
You make an excellent point:
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so depressing to see this most beautiful of all countries getting geoengineered aluminium/barium and fibres sprayed all over its skies. criminals
We would like to think it hasn't gone too far, that we can do something about it. We regard it as very important for anyone who is aware of this activity to diligently document it in a central, New Zealand based location, like this forum in order to build up a historical resource.
We would be very interested in your ongoing observations in your area, particularly anomalous flight paths - planes coming from nowhere and going nowhere. Have you seen the black beams? We have one report of this phenomenon from Christchurch.
Thanks for uploading and contributing to the record - we look forward to further discussions.
Joined: 09 Jun 2005
Posts: 266
Location: Christchurch
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 10:18 am Post Subject:
thanks john and melody,
glad to have found this resource. i was quite skeptical about chemtrails.. even after i had witnessed one in california. but, having moved to new zealand, it has become patently obvious that chemtrails aren't contrails. my father is retired aerospace engineer. he had top secret clearance. many of the projects he worked on did not get discussed around the dinner table, to say the least. one that did (as it was non-classified) was his working with a team in new mexico back in the 1950s doing "cloud seeding" experiments as well as "chaff" aerosol dispersal for radar jamming.
i believe chemtrails are only the tip of the iceberg. many debunkers have uncovered a classified DOD and DARPA project called "operation cloverleaf" that combines six essential ojectives:
1. weather modification and control
2. haarp system tropospheric control & (communications)
3. population control
4. space weapons development
5. ozone and global warming research
6. biological weaponry and detection
...which is in direct violation of the us space preservation act: hr 2977 ih, outlawing the use of wmd (including chemtrails, which was mysteriously removed from the bill prior to its becoming ratified).
so, the government even admits chemtrails exist (in this 2001 document), still there are those who would sooner throw you into sunnyside then to listen to rational, scientific, and journalistic investigation into these global aersol crimes.
so, folks, what can we do in our little slice of paradise here in new zealand? has anyone taken the resources of this site and put together a petition for answers to government? i am inspired by the optimism, yet any attempt to get the nz government to admit that spray craft from australia, us, china, or russia are spreading toxic chemicals into our troposphere on an almost daily basis, would definitely stretch the imagination. it has been described that any country that does not allow spraying is tantamount to a military crime. we have to ask against whom? but, likely, it would be nato. therefore, even if the prime minister thumbed her nose at the nato sprayers, her "act of war" against nato would not be a wise political move. an invasion (whether overt or covert) of new zealand as a consequence would not be a generally well-accepted result.
that being said, the battle rages on. the battle for the mind. if this is to stop, it must stop on a global basis. we need good documentation, just like this great site is providing. this will be a long battle.
john and melody, thank you.
i will keep posting observations from canterbury..as well as other valid, scrutinized data as it comes to hand.
Joined: 05 Nov 2003
Posts: 814
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 1:40 pm Post Subject:
Hieronymous Bosch wrote:
so, folks, what can we do in our little slice of paradise here in new zealand? has anyone taken the resources of this site and put together a petition for answers to government? i am inspired by the optimism...
No, not at this stage. We would like the site to be a little more widely reflective of a broader range of people from around the country first. At this stage, we are involved in doing a tremendous amount of personal research, particularly the scientific aspects at the moment. We are working on a DVD presentation to cover the area from a NZ perspective. We have been engaged in gathering material for this, as well as the personal reports and insights from this forum and others who have contacted us with information.
Once this presentation is complete, we intend to more widely publicise the site and get the presentation out there in numbers... We need to establish this site as one of moderation and credibility and the documentation and reporting in the forums and the gallery will be a very important support. Before any approach is made, we feel it is important to get our facts straight and build up a decent and solid foundation. You may only get one chance to make such approaches, and it is important to be properly prepared.
You mention the optimism... So far, with our modest little group of participants (those who have made posts), there is a pretty good attitude. Later as the numbers of registrants grow (currently the site is only garnering visitors by word of mouth and those who find it through searches and other links), we hope to build on that attitude. We do find, interestingly, that sites like this can in some cases, have the effect of de-motivating people to act on this issue.
There is a perceivable pattern of people who keep this knowledge to themselves for a long time. Then they find a site like this and revel in the freedom of expression and being able to share and voice their concerns etc. Then after awhile, once they have gotten a lot of their frustrations out, they can experience a sense of the futility of it all, particluarly when it may seem as though nothing is happening to push the issue forward. And sometimes, their participation eases off.
In this preparation phase, it can be difficult for folks who want to move this forward more quickly to have to bide their time. We can understand any impatience that might arise. But we know from our investigations that you just have to get things right or you can so easily be shot down in flames. You have to do an enormous amount of research and, what is more, come to understand that research and put it all together. This is what we are doing now and it also has to be done in conjunction with all the other things going on in our lives.
We really appreciate the time anyone here is able to put into the forum. Sometimes you just get busy and it can be hard to find the time. We do feel however, that ideally, anyone who really genuinely cares about New Zealand and about this issue, should be in it for the long haul. Our objectives for the site in terms of the chemtrails is to become the leading repository for New Zealand information, reporting and photographic imagery on this subject. By gathering it all together in one place, we feel it can have genuine impact - when the time is right.
Hieronymous Bosch wrote:
...yet any attempt to get the nz government to admit that spray craft from australia, us, china, or russia are spreading toxic chemicals into our troposphere on an almost daily basis, would definitely stretch the imagination
:-$ Just quietly, we happen to know that someone in the Ministry for the Environment has viewed this website, using the search words 'chemtrails' and 'New Zealand'.
