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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 6:53 pm Post Subject: Closeup at Seven to look at Vaccine / Illness connection
Susan Wood's Closeup at Seven tonight is set to look at the possible connection between the Meningococcal vaccination and side-effects-related illness arising from the immunisation programme.
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:28 pm Post Subject: Susan Wood gives Sumner Burstyn a roasting...
Susan Wood gave social commentator Barbara Sumner Burstyn a complete bollocking on her show last night over the vaccination issue. See the interview here:
Barbara remained calm and in charge I thought, while Susan was very impolite and acted almost angry.
My great grandson landed up in hospital after having his first baby vaccinations. That was nearly 10 years ago.
I find many young parents are very unsure about what to do. Many of my grandchildren are young parents now and they all face this dilemma. They are pressured to get their children "done" and are made fearful of the consequences if they do not.
Most of the youngsters have some sort of reaction ranging from serious to minor.
It is mind boggling to see just how many cocktails of chemicals the doctors are advising parents to have injected into their babies, many one after the other. How can any body take such punishment, especially a young baby?
My own health.....lots of thick phlegm and itching skin, coughing and aching joints. Cts nearly each day.
Betty Arapawa
We felt quite appalled at the way Susan Wood conducted this interview. There was a lack of impartiality and when she talked about Barbara Sumner Burstyn's children not being vaccinated it felt as if she was trying to steer the conversation to put Barbara in a bad light.
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Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 1:14 pm Post Subject:
I notice they had a followup on this on last night's Closeup programme, after a flood of feedback from viewers, emails, phonecalls, faxes etc. View the video of the interview at the link below:
Susan Wood was definitely subdued last night compared to
the night before. That "doctor" whom she interviewed was dreadful. Made you want to give him a good punch...he really got me annoyed.
There are a lot of concerned people out there who are rather mixed up with the info they are getting.
By the way, Melody and John...read the latest on the Kaimanawa Wall with the photos...excellent
Monday at 730 am..note am....TV1 June 6th
"Who Was Here Before Us" Might be of interest to those interested in the wall.
Betty Arapawa
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Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 1:52 pm Post Subject:
Betty Rowe wrote:
Monday at 730 am..note am....TV1 June 6th
"Who Was Here Before Us" Might be of interest to those interested in the wall.
Betty Arapawa
Thanks for this Betty - and the heads up about the 'am' schedule. Damned weird time to be showing it...
On the Closeup show last night, what I thought stood out also was Ministry of Health's Mark Jacobs' complete denial that the disease has been in decline, despite their own figures apparently showing this to be evident.
Risk and Policy analyst Ron Law talked about the decline in a press release in October 2004 on the Scoop web site:
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Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 6:56 pm Post Subject:
Thanks Carus. Interesting article.
Quote:
"The fact that the Ministry of Health told Close-up viewers a lie regarding 2004 meningococcal disease cases is further evidence that the Ministry is misleading the public over meningoccocal disease" say risk & policy analyst, Ron Law, and writer/researcher Barbara Sumner Burstyn.
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Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 8:31 pm Post Subject:
The article wrote:
The facts, as noted in the Meningococcal Gold Rush, second edition, are that 2004 case numbers were the lowest in over a decade, and death numbers are the lowest since the first year of the epidemic in 1992.
If the Ministry of Health feel the need to as Sumner Burstyn and Law put it 'lie' to the New Zealand public, one has to ask why?
1. They must feel it is necessary to lie about the figures
2. If they feel it is necessary to lie about the figures, what is behind the pressing compulsion to 'sell this vaccine' to parents and their children to the point of employing questionable scare tactics to frighten and upset them into giving consent?
3. Is the vaccination scheme all it seems to be? Why are they so keen to pursue what is being described as the biggest vaccination campaign in New Zealand's history?
From Stuff:
Stuff wrote:
The Ministry hopes to vaccinate 1.1 million children and teenagers in New Zealand's biggest vaccination campaign.
I have a theory. Three words: National Immunisation Register
I suspect that the reason the Ministry is so enthusiastic about this programme is because they are keen to populate their National Immunisation Register - effectively a national database recording details on every child and young person, including names, date of birth, gender, National Health index number (yes, you probably already have one), ethnicity, nominated healthcare professionals and details of their parents and guardians - those are just the details declared in the publicity material. There may or may not be other details recorded in the database...
This database is designed to follow the healthcare progress of everyone on the register, is accessible by a range of healthcare officials around the country, regardless of where you live or move to and is maintained for the rest of your life plus 10 years.
Parents who choose not to immunise their children will have their decisions recorded against their child's database record as well. Apparently there is an opt-off from the register, but by the time you opt off, generally many details have been recorded and these are retained in the system.
So, if you're not already on their database, in the case of an immigrant for example, registration occurs at the first point of contact with a health care provider.
And..... all children immunised with the MeNZB vaccine as part of the Meningococcal B immunisation programme will have their details recorded on the NIR.
The NIR programme was rolled out this year.
It is worth noting that a full opt-off system does exist:
Quote:
A parent who does not want their school attending child to be immunised with the MeNZBTM vaccine as part of the Meningococcal B Immunisation Programme and does not want their child’s non-consent information recorded on the NIR can fully “opt off” by:
Requesting the District Health Board, the organisation responsible for forwarding records to the NIR, that the child’s record not be stored and not forwarded to the NIR.
HOWEVER, get this:
Quote:
All children who participate in the Meningococcal B Immunisation Programme will have their data entered onto the NIR. If a child receives doses of MeNZBTM vaccine, there is no ‘opt-off’ option available.
And that, is why I reckon they are so keen to get this vaccination into as many young people as possible...
We all know there are advocates out there promoting the idea of a national DNA database. Usually such schemes are introduced by first sampling criminals and arrested people. However, with a shift in emphasis and justification, the National Immunisation Register would the perfect vehicle to 'tack on' other information at a later date, DNA data for example - to keep a detailed track of at least a quarter of our current population (as estimated from their target of wanting to immunise as many as 1.1 million young people with MeNZB) and everyone who is born in this country or who accesses the health system from now on...
