Mysteries, Chemtrails, Aerosols :: Mysterious NZ

[pamela]

[Hope I'm right in making this a new topic - linked to Meningococcal vacc]

Back in about 1998 I took our 17mnth old Cavalier King Charles dog for his annual check and vaccinations. (They can't go to kennels without up to date vaccinations)

He had been well socialised and loved other animals and people. He was friendly in the waiting room.
He had his vaccination, we went home, and suddenly he started running frantically around the room, squealing and salivating, and in a total panic.
His throat swelled and he began having breathing difficulties.
This was approximately 35 minutes after the injection.

I took him back to the vets immediately. The minute he saw another dog he went crazy!
Together with struggling for breath, he growled and attempted to bark - it was patently obvious he was objecting strongly to the dog - and its owner, then the vet's receptionist!

Vet administered an antidote which he took some while to respond to.
His mouth and surrounding area remained swollen for 24 hours. He continued to be afraid of strangers, and is intolerant of other dogs.

I asked the vet if the vaccine was expired, faulty, poisoned, etc. etc. They had another dog react in the same way, so made enquiries.
No information was forthcoming, however our vet remained concerned about my dog.

A little over a year later, she informed me that other vets in the Wellington region had seen similar reactions, some less dramatic, and one more severe.

At that stage she said the manufacturer had said it was a 'faulty batch'
He now has to have the intra-nasal Kennel Cough vaccine.

I just wonder what that 'faulty batch' did - it has certainly changed our little fella, he had an almost instant neurological or psychological change which our vet acknowledged.
However the manufacturer would not acknowledge it, and neither would a vet at Massey University who saw him a year later.

I have always wondered whether there was some kind of experiment going on there - it took over a year for any acknowledgment of the problem, and even then they didn't contact the dog-ownenrs involved.

Pamela

[Carus]

God, what a put off!

I saw an interview by Kim Hill on television a year or so ago with a man called Tom Lonsdale. I was very interested to hear what he said about the difference of giving animals raw meaty bones (in the case dogs particularly) and non processed food is. He maintains, after years of research, that animals' behaviour is dramatically affected by what they eat. If they are on a more natural diet they tend to have a better temperament and are easier to train. They are also healthier.

I have found a web site about it here:
http://www.rawmeatybones.com/

I thought at the time, being more aware of how processed foods aren't beneficial to us humans, that of course animals would be affected in a similar way. Also more than that, the crap that probably gets put into these foods is more prevalent. Maybe there's someone out there who has knowledge of what goes into animal food? Do animals get fed non-processed foods in kennels?

I've observed the odd TV program over the years about farm animals as well. The thing here was that when they were treated well, the products they produced were of far better quality - like wool. It makes sense of course that a less stressed animal would produce better quality goods but we often don't associate these effects with animals.

There is also information that toxins are released into animals' bodies when they know they are about to be slaughtered, as in the case of meat works. They feel fearful. This can toughen the meat and we of course ingest it.

Betty Rowe would no doubt know all about this. It has been a pleasure to see her happy animals. One thing that stands out from her book that I read was her words about the reason why she fought for the animals - that they had a right to live.

[Melody Anderson]

[Carus]

My apologies. My end remark was not well put in context of the previous paragraphs. I was referring more to the good care Betty has given the animals on Arapawa, which shows in the photographs in the gallery.

[pamela]

Indeed Melody - and Betty is vegetarian because of the suffering of animals - I'm on the road to being 100% vegetarian myself :)

Animals do suffer stress at the abattoirs however - I can confirm that.

What I had originally written about was the failure of drug company's to fully inform consumers (vets and doctors) and patients of complications and side effects, or (as in the case we experienced) problems which existed with a particular batch.
Once again, the mighty dollar - profit - wins the day :(

Pamela

[Melody Anderson]

What I'm getting from this post and others like it on this forum is that a lot of us are looking for honesty from the authorities. And many people feel that they are not getting it. In one sense it's all the more reason to be proactive and seek out these things for ourselves and in another sense perhaps, it is a reflection of the blame culture that seems to now be pervading the country (and indeed the world).

The health profession and other institutions have become very aware of the thirst the public now has to distribute blame when things go wrong. More and more, they are feeling the threat of legal action etc and as a result, this ultimately leads to a lower standard of service.

While in many of these cases, of course, I don't condone their actions, I do believe that we create the society we live in. I have noticed over the last few years, much more significance being given to the whole concept of blame, paricularly in the media. I have heard statements I consider to be ridiculous, like: "tonight, bad weather is to blame for hundreds of people finding themselves homeless...." While perhaps technically allowable, I would think it more appropriate to use "is responsible for..." Listen out for it, you'll see what I mean.

However, the manner in which the word blame is now frequently used in newspapers and particularly news bulletins, in my opinion, helps to boost the blame culture and reinforce its power in the minds of people. And the more power we give to blame and retribution in society, the less personal power we ultimately end up feeling. In effect, we rob ourselves of the power to do anything about our situation.

So, in part, the more we seek to blame others for our predicaments, the less genuine accountability will be forthcoming and, I believe, service providers will be less likely to go the extra distance in the course of their providing those services, for fear of what will happen if they make a mistake.

I think it preferable for people to be inspired to do their best in their chosen field because they want to do a good job and because they feel motivated by what they can achieve, rather than being motivated to avoid making mistakes, or avoid being blamed.

There is no question, we should be expecting a high standard of service from those we seek service from and we should at times, be prepared to fight for what is right and to draw attention to the failings of systems and to appeal to those who are in a position to make changes for the truth. However, we must be very careful about what we allow to motivate us in these areas. We need to strike a very fine balance between going for what is right and simply lashing out for the sake of the temporary sense of comfort we get from blaming someone else.

[joan]

[Melody Anderson]

So are you saying Joan that Chris Laidlaw thought it was a stupid question to ask? What else did he say?

[joan]

Hi Mel,

Yes, Chris Laidlaw was quite scathing in his denunciation of this statement. He made mention of it before he started his programme. From memory he did make a reference to the integrity of the media and then talked about the weather and disasters.

Joan

[pamela]

Hi Melody,
Thanks for your post of Wed. 25th.
I agree with you that a 'culture of blame' has developed, and we were just the other evening commenting on the word 'blame' and its use.

I feel very strongly about responsibility - that it is a two-way thing; if we are to expect good, safe, reliable, professional service and attitude from providers, we must take responsibility to keep ourselves informed.

I apologise if I have conveyed the impression that I look to aportion 'blame' - however, I believe asking for explanations and information, then honesty over problems and complications in any area, we can do something toward achieving the delivery of high standard services from people who are happy and 'fearless' to deliver.
The comment you made regarding the young nurse who nursed your mother was relevant. She was professional and caring, and you hoped that exposure to the system in time would not spoil that attitude.
If that willing caring attitude can be nurtured, then questions can be asked, answers given, and honesty should prevail - thereby doing away with the need for 'cover-ups and blame' .
Pamela

[Melody Anderson]

[pamela]

Thanks Melody :)
I believe if more focus could be on 'why and how' rather than 'whom', more honesty would prevail and enquiry could reach the bottom of a problem and solve it sooner.

I spoke to a nurse friend yesterday, who was saying many mistakes result from the 'fear factor', coupled with overwork and staff shortage.

This applies in many areas - teachers for instance, are very pressed for time these days.

BUT I still maintain that responsible questioning, becoming reliably informed, and challenging what we know to be wrong, can ultimately protect everyone.
The key to it is reliable information - and that rests with us all from individuals, to media, to government etc. etc.
Cheers
Pamela