Mysteries, Chemtrails, Aerosols :: Mysterious NZ

[pamela]

It was announced on National TV last week that a bug had hit the Neo Natal Unit at Wellington Hospital.

During the interview, it was established the bug had been detected some 9 months prior to this announcement, and that 3 (THREE) babies had died as a result of contracting this infection, and a number others had contracted it.

I feel there is something very wrong in the way this was handled.
Questions remain unanswered - why?

There was a strong emphasis on the message WE ARE CONFIDANT WE HAVE GOT THIS UNDER CONTROL AND ARE DOING EVERYTHING CORRECTLY TO DEAL WITH THIS SITUATION.

We all know the authorities have to display calm reassurance in an emergency - BUT this is a serious situation, where information has apparently been witheld from the public!
Is there some hidden political motive?
Is there more going on than we are being told?
How can we believe them now?

We know very tiny, very prem. babies have a slim chance of survival - but with an infection to contend with, their chances are even slimmer.
When they announced that the anitbiotic used to treat this bug is Flucloxocillin, I was furious!
Why the delay then?
This antibiotic has been avbailable gor ages - I've had it myself, and it's a wonderfully effective antibiotic when correctly used.
More questions:-
If they knew what to use, and that it's effective, WHY HAVEN'T THEY BEEN HONEST BEFORE NOW??
WHY HASN'T THE APPROPRIATE DRUG BEEN USED??
and WHY HAVE'T THE PARENTS BEEN TOLD??

All very well for that smug paediatritian to sit and tell us they're dealing with it correctly etc. etc., but they should have put those measures in place months ago. All those babies should have been separated out as they are being now - in the colour coded areas for safe identification.

ANOTHER THING:
The fact that his is a commnon bug, that is commonly around, is even greater reason for them to have informed parents. The specialist endeavoured to convince us that the common nature of it was good reason not to inform (and frighten) parents!

I fear this is dirty medical politics at work, and there's no excuse for it, or for us to accept it!
Annette King was useless - her 'reassurance' added nothing!
I'm disgusted and concerned for parents, unborn, newly born, and young siblings - as the parents could carry it and continue to spread it surely!

I wonder what is in the skies above us?
My thoughts - what do others think? Any medical practitioners out there?
Pamela

[info4]

Hi Pamela

[pamela]

I agree with you info4 - parents are expected to be responsible, particularly where their children's health is concerned - failure on the part of the 'authorities' to make known the fact that there is an additional risk present around 'at risk' babies (in particular), is unbelievable.

Parents are asked to be responsible and immunise children against some very dangerous diseases - whilst at the same time authorities are failing to inform them of danger within the hospital is far from consistent!

By the way, another case of the infection was announced this week!

Strange? We were assured by the paediatritians that they had the situation under control with the colour coded system!

Pamela

[Betty Rowe]

Hasn't this news gone very quiet?
I would have thought it would be mentioned much more often.
Betty-Arapawa

[pamela]

Hi Betty -

I heard something very interesting regarding this on Saturday night - my sister has a friend who gave birth to a baby at 26 weeks - she was due second week in June.

They were informed of the presence of the bug at the time of the baby's birth!

This adds to the puzzle. By my calculations that would have been late February.
This bug was publicly announced late April.
It raises more questions in my mind:
* Were parents 'selectively' told of the presence of the bug? (the parents in this case are in their 40's)
* Were parents all informed, and due to their anxiety over the frailty of their baby, failed to take the information on board?
* Or were they told with a 'mild risk, do-not-worry' spin on the information?

I was unable to ascertain reliable answers to my questions as my sister announced "the Neo Natal Unit does a wonderful job, and should not be criticised - you're being very cynical"

(I shut up at that point, I'd already made a speech about the lies we were told when our daughter died, and Mothers Day dinner for Mother was hardly the time for the sibling debates :oops: )

Glad to see you 'emerging' Betty :)
Pamela

[Betty Rowe]

Hi Pamela
Well I don't know about this "emerging" business...."submerging" might be more like it. I still am getting lost, but not as frequently.
The topic you spoke of in your letter was very interesting and raises some serious points for consideration. I don't hear anything about it anymore....like I said...it has gone very quiet on the subject.
The last I heard was that there was another case of an infected baby about a week ago and then silence.
Did you see the Arapawa pictures Melody put up? Really good.
Okay, today is P-Day....Picture Day....am going to give it another try.
Hugs for now
Betty-Arapawa

[Deano]

The Dominion says that since October last year...40....thats right 40 babies have caught this new strain of staphylococus aureus. Is it just me or is that figure a fraction big??

[Melody Anderson]

[pamela]

Melody,
I am perfectly agreeable to talk about it - most people don't want to talk about it!
I'll do this in the next day or so.

I shall first send a post about the Foot & Mouth ?Hoax - then I've got to go out!
Pamela

[pamela]

Melody invited me to talk about our experience a t the time of our daughter's death.
Whilst it is not chemtrails related, some events which took place at the time (l993) reflected a "cover up" attitude by officials doctors, and those from whom we expect better!

Our daughter was aged 22, living in a hostel (on a hospital campus), and unbeknown to us, very depressed.
She had been under the care of a psychiatrist - who had tried to persuade her to tell us of her depression - as she'd made several suicide attempts, but sought assistance at the hospital each time.
In July 1993 she was so depressed one morning she couldn't go to work, but went to her GP for assistance. The GP told her to pull herself together, gave her a prescription for antidepressants, and said to return to work the next day.
(The GP was aware of her history, and had reports from the psychiatrist). Scolding, and prescribing was all she offered.

Sacha returned to the hostel, discussed how she felt about the GP's attitude with a friend, and quietly spent the day reading.

She was found at 7.30am next morning dead in her bed. Police were called.

At 9.45am the Police came to tell me Sacha had died. They were quite unsympathetic. As she had died from an overdose, a post mortem had to be conducted. I said we wished to see her before that, but was told it was already in progress!!!!!!!!
My husband did not know of Sacha's death, and Police were going to inform him, and I insisted on us being together. They argued that I was not going, but I insisted, and a neighbour (whom I had asked them to call over) supported my wish to go, so I went in the police vehicle to tell John.
On the way they radioed the police station announcing "We have the mother of this morning's job in the car"!!!!! I objected to that.

We discovered that the police had let somebody else identify Sacha - despite them knowing where they could contact us. This then meant the post mortem could go ahead and they weren't delayed.

Following Sacha's funeral, whilst going through her personal effects we found a letter to her from the psychiatrist. I contacted him, he said "I am so pleased to hear from you - I have been distressed by Sacha's death. She was a high risk patient, and typical of high risk depressive patients, difficult to manage"
He told me he wanted to contact us when he was told of her death (the same day), but was refused permission by the Psychiatric department manager !
I was appalled over that.

The Coroner did not question the GP's attitude. The GP was not present at the inquest, but a statement had been sought from her; dismissing Sacha with a prescription and no other care, was not really questioned at the inquest.

Sacha had died from an overdose of prescription drugs - and had saved a supply of them in a drawer.

A few weeks after Sacha's death, we received an appointment for Sacha from a Dr's surgery . I phoned to notify them of her death, and they said they'd issued a repeat prescription for Sacha [on a date a fortnight following her death]. This was extremely puzzling, as she had not attended that doctor for some months.
I phoned the pharmacy, and they said they had filled the prescription that same date.
I notified the Health Department - as I was concerned that prescription medication was so readily available in such strange circumstances.

The Health Department personnel with whom I spoke were absolutely un-interested in the situation. I re-iterated my concerns, but could not raise any interest from them!

And we wonder why there seem to be conflicting reports about whether a particular vaccination is fit for distribution . . . or whether parents of premature babies have been notified of a life-threatening bug in the neo-natal unit!

With an irresponsible attitude like this, I'm not surprised at anything - and I believe the Coroner's have often failed to question doctors sufficiently - as the GP Sacha saw, in my opinion, failed to act responsibly to her cry for help. It was the one time she'd seen a doctor about her depression before taking an overdose.

Thanks for listening
Pamela

[Melody Anderson]

Thanks for sharing your story Pamela, I can understand why you feel as you do about the health services.

My mother was driving when she had her stroke. Fortunately, she had managed to pull the car over and park it (albeit in a ditch) so the situation did not result in a car accident. She had managed to struggle into the passenger seat of her car to wait for help. Later I accompanied her to the hospital in an ambulance. On the way, the ambulance staff made remarks that I considered highly inappropriate, given the situation and given that they were made within the hearing of their patient, who was obviously in a humiliating and vulnerable state. At the time, I thought this to be insensitive and uncalled for.

During the fortnight she was in hospital, we obviously had quite a bit to do with the medical staff, doctors, nurses and trainees etc. Up until then, I was fortunate to have had very little first-hand experience of the hospital environment. I must admit, what I experienced was somewhat of an eye opener. I felt that there was an overall culture of offhandedness in that ward.

It is probably understandable I guess. Most of the patients admitted to that area no doubt have little chance of survival and the staff must see a tremendous amount of death. Obviously they cannot afford to get too personally involved or to ‘feel’ too much about the patients in their care. Fair enough. I do feel however, that the manner in which they related to the patients and families left a lot to be desired, in that, in some cases, it wasn’t so much their distance that offended, it was almost a pro-active effort to alienate and offend.

The most compassionate attitude I witnessed came from a trainee nurse - who was absolutely brilliant. Her open, helpful and genuinely caring manner was much appreciated at the time. I remember wondering whether this young woman would manage to hold onto her empathy throughout her training and beyond that, once she made it into the work force proper. I sincerely hope so - she would have made a really great nurse.

Later, my father spent some time in hospital (a different one) and he couldn’t speak more highly of the staff. On many occasions I have heard others talk about their hospital stays in glowing terms.

Perhaps these negative experiences are isolated incidents. It would be nice to think so. I think the danger is when such attitudes become part of the culture of the workplace and become an acceptable way of doing things.

The Iraena Asher case has obviously exposed some issues that should perhaps be addressed. Yet the police who attended my father’s death just recently, were very respectful, appropriate and considerate. One thing that is interesting about the police and the medical profession is that they are in a very delicate and demanding position.

On the one hand, the public expects and wants them to be human. In some of the examples we are discussing, a bit of compassion and understanding would have gone a long way. On the other hand, we expect that they don’t make mistakes - we don’t want them to be too human. I understand that they are in high stress jobs and that at times, the inappropriateness can come out of ‘blowing off steam’.

However, in my opinion, if you are in such a job, you must accept that there is very, very little room for error. It is a requirement of the job that you can handle the stress, the horror and the emotions of relatives and friends and that you can deal with these appropriately and effectively.

One of the effects the Internet has had on the help profession, is that patients have been able to become more assertive and proactive in their dealings with the medical profession. People can now research illnesses, conditions and their respective treatments. They are able to ask more informed questions and perhaps, are more able to make demands of the health care professionals (for whom, no doubt, this is a double-edged sword).

I think this is a good thing. I think people need to be able to be more assertive on these occasions and to ask questions and to make demands at times, if they feel they are not receiving the service they expect (after all, they are now referred to as ‘clients’ aren’t they?). The most important thing is that people continue to be questioning. And in doing so, they need access to their emotions.

Perhaps it is the emotion - and the absence of it, that is the key here. When you eliminate emotion from the equation, rather than becoming more effective in your job, you become less effective. Daniel Goleman raised this idea in his book ‘Emotional Intelligence’ a few years ago. He contends that intelligence is in fact dependent on the emotions, rather than the absence of it. Many people mistakenly imagine that genuine critical thinking and sharp perception require a person to disallow the emotions in this process. Goleman presents some very interesting examples of why and how, when we remove emotion from our actions, the decisions we make and the actions we make are significantly less effective...

If the emotions were not meant to be experienced and used in everyday life, I am of the firm opinion, that they would not exist as part of our human make-up.

[pamela]

Melody,
You have covered so many facets of the 'patient' care situation.
I have to agree with your observations about the difficult and stressful conditions under which those working in areas where human suffering and emotions are involved - intensely involved!

I agree also, that an awareness of the fragility of the patient, family, recently bereaved, those recently made aware of imminent death etc, should ideally, be kept in mind. Not always easy.

However - in the wards where elderly, chronically ill and dying patients are nursed, there is usually not the urgent immediacy that exists in, for example,A&E or situations where a patient has suddenly become critically ill!

I recall the night my father, having suffered a stroke 14 hours previously, died.
We were called in urgently. Immediately after Dad died, the nurse announced "There's no urgency about contacting a mortitian; you can leave that 'till the morning" (it was 8.45pm in Wellington Hospital)

We called the funeral director the next morning, after Mum was ready to face that. He said he'd get into the hospital straight away. He had difficulty locating Dad, but eventually succeeded.

I read in the paper a few days following Dad's funeral, that some hospitals, (Wgn was one of them) were RESUSCITATING recently deceased patients as practice for medical students!!!!!!
I could barely believe my eyes - and immediately recalled what that nurse had announced that night.
I will spare you some of the other observations I made at the time.
(I started nursing training when I first left school, and have sufficient knowledge to have questioned some things in my mind).

I vowed after that, to never let any question go un-asked, and un-answered in a hospital situation again!

I hasten to add that a great deal of wonderful care is given, and healing and cures are effected in our hospitals - but we need to keep vigilant - ask questions, and ask again if we are unhappy or uncertain about an answer.

Melody, your Dad was happy with his hospital care, and that is great to hear.
I have had some wonderful care, and true compassion shown in hospital, for which I shall always be grateful. We must never lose sight of these things, as there are times when we may need care, or mending if we have the misfortune to be involved in an accident.

It is sad to hear that you had that insensitivity shown by ambulance staff Melody, when your Mother was ill; that is rare; they are normally very caring and sensitive.
Doesn't it just demonstrate, many of our experiences come down to individuals?
I am certain there are other families who have gone through suicides, and found the police caring, sensitive and professional. We were unfortunate - but it happened twice.

Aren't we fortunate that we can discuss these experiences here on Mysterious NZ - and, I hope, learn from each others experience. We may find it strengthens us when faced with something again, or enable us to assist a friend, or even prevent a cruel and hurtful experience.

Thank you for sharing your experience with us Melody.
Cheerio and good night,
Pamela

[Melody Anderson]