Mysteries, Chemtrails, Aerosols :: Mysterious NZ

[John Anderson]

Hi all,

It's election year, the period when politicians have to at least give the impression that they listen to the voters - and thus an opportunity to present them with a real issue and perhaps get less of the usual brush-off...

Logically, one political party above all others should be most interested and receptive and be willing to storm the ramparts of political indifference.

The Chemtrail issue is one that indeed the Green Party should embrace wholeheartedly. Chemtrails and the associated health, weather and pollution issues are potentially more significant and personal to the average New Zealander than the Nuclear and GE issues. More significant to the country's continued wellbeing than pollution from 'conventional' sources such as from industry, farming, and the automobile. More demonstrably harmful to the planet than so-called ozone holes and Global warming...

Yes, Chemtrails have all the hallmarks of a great environmental issue - and after all, the greens are an environmental party, aren't they? Yet on this most obvious of issues they are not only silent, there is reason to believe that, though aware of the subject, the party hierarchy have made it a non-public policy to ignore it and to deflect inquiries and concerns from the public and party members alike.

Now we have not directly approached the Green party ourselves on the Chemtrail issue as yet, so have not experienced first-hand this policy of which we surmise. However we have the recorded testimony of Betty Rowe of Arapawa Island in the Marlborough sounds (which we will publish in due course), she is a member of the Green Party and made strenuous efforts to get them to take an interest in the issue and the effects it was having on her, her animals and the general populous of the region. Despite the best efforts of this determined, forceful and resourceful woman, there was barely an acknowledgement that the issue even existed.

"Have you put this in the too-hard basket?"
"Something like that..."

Chemtrails are too obvious an issue to plead ignorance of the subject. Too well reported an issue, especially on the Internet, for any politician who has a computer to maintain that it is just another urban myth or 'conspiracy theory'. I will never be convinced that a party like the Greens is not aware of the issue and have not specifically addressed it. I believe that they decided that there was more to lose than to gain from involvement in the matter.

Then there is the case of Greenpeace and their well-documented denial of and refusal to have anything to do with the subject of Chemtrails.
For links click here:
http://www.mysteriousnewzealand.co.nz/resources/chemtrails.html#greenpeace

It would seem that the Greens like Greenpeace have become too politically self-interested to tackle an issue that would involve them in more than nice back-room power-sharing deals and may threaten the publics perception of them as nice and reasonable and somewhat harmless. They well know the forces that would be unleashed against them from the taking up of this issue. Their fear of these forces and of the potential loss of their position in the MMP status quo has made cowards of them.

So, bearing all of the above in mind, how do we take advantage of it being election year? Are there ways to penetrate the political defences of ignorance, indifference and denial?

Here's an interesting quote from Scoop about the Greens that may be of relevance:

[hadleigh]

If the existing political parties wont pay any attention to the chemtrail issue then the best thing to do is form a new party with that issue as the attention grabbing main point.
During the lead up to the last election, or it may have been the one before I don't remember now, Nandor Tanzosh came to town and I asked him if he'd heard about Chemtrails. He had heard about them, but that's all I got.

As for my new party thought. It's just a thought.

I don't know anything about politics.
I know nothing!
No' thing!!

I just thought I'd mention that.

[John Anderson]

Hi Hadleigh,

Your comments re Nandor Tanczos tend to confirm that the Greens both know about the Chemtrail issue and have firm policy not to touch it. This would apply to all political parties of course.

We will, at the right time, approach all parties and try to draw them out, but we have a lot to do on Mysterious New Zealand before that can be done.

I'm sure that you're joking about starting an 'Anti-Chemtrail' party, but if you are intent on doing this then we'll be right behind you. :lol:

BTW, your 'knowing nothing' position would seem to be a very powerful one...

Regards

[Bloodhound]

I dunno guys, Chemtrails are a symptom of a corrupted government and society, wouldnt it be best to fix the problem at the root? Starting a party is a great idea but I dont think an Anti-Chemtrail party would get much attention at all - mainly because people dont know about the chemtrails! :P

I think we should continue with what we are doing, one benefit of living in a small country is there are only a few websites about chemtrails and thus - this website will become the hub for all new zealand chemtrail activity.

Hey ive got an idea, why dont we try to get this website onto Eating Media Lunch? that program which is on every tuesday at around 10:00. Ive got a video of chemtrails too, so that would help!

[Melody Anderson]

[John Anderson]

Hi Bloodhound,

[Bloodhound]

[Melody Anderson]

[Carus]

[pamela]

[John Anderson]

Hi Pamela,

I think I’d rather hit a politician on the head than a nail, or at least some of them. :lol:

You live in a region that is getting hammered by chemtrails as we saw with our own eyes and cameras just a few weeks ago. The general haze, that we assume was as a result of the trails, and the staggering number of trails at 8.00AM when we popped our heads out of the Mysterious New Zealand van, was a revelation. The size of the spread trails over our heads and the sheer number of them suggested to us a very heavy night-time operation.

We had pulled into a reserve just outside of Foxton to spend the night about 2.00AM, it had been very foggy, so we could not see the sky. My question to you is this, have you ever been aware of an anomalous number of night-time jets flying overhead or out to the west? Perhaps you could keep your eyes and ears open for this type of activity and report your findings to this forum - we'd be very interested.

Our photo essay on the 'Great Chemtrail Chase' will be uploaded to the site very soon with many pics from your area. We'll advise when it's up...

Regards

[Deano]

Chemtrail activity in this region appears to be declining John, thank god. Short lived no doubt. Ive seen maybe 2 days out of three weeks with spray trails, one of those days heavy, the other day with maybe only one line of spray. Maybe if Pamela reads this she can confirm as her location is not far south of me.

[John Anderson]

Deano,

That stuff we saw being laid down off the coast of Levin/Foxton ended up passing over Feilding, Hunterville, Taihape and so on. When we last sighted some of it, it was over the Northern Bay of Plenty. No one too far North of say Foxton would have recognised those Chemclouds as originating from plane contrails.

When the Chemtrail Chase pics are uploaded to the Gallery you'll see this progression for yourself. So although you may not see any trail activity as such, trails laid down over the West coast of the South Island, for example, may have resulted in a barely discernible haze covering the sky over Feilding. It is this haze that seems to be the important factor for whoever is behind this. The trails themselves are a means to this end. In the South Island a few weeks ago we were simply amazed by the haze over Marlborough, Nelson and, in particular, the West Coast. At a time of Southerly winds, where did this haze originate? From the pollution around Antarctica? I don't think so...

It feels like we are learning very rapidly about the delivery methodology at this time, though many questions remain. Observers on the ground and reports of both trails and haze, health issues etc, are critical to further advancing our collective understanding…

Regards

[pamela]

Hi John & Deano
Yes, we have had a 'hit' from them in recent times - but in the last couple of days there has been a 'mysterious absence' of them!

Today, the sky is uncannily clear - not a cloud to be seen anywhere.

John, at the time you and Melody were in this area, it was particularly bad, and sometimes the trails spread so wide it was difficult to discern whether they were actually trails (just as you have explained your observations to be).

With regard to night time activity. We hear very few planes across here - BUT!
Around that time I remember hearing planes, and wondering if it was some night exercise from Ohakea! Silly me :roll: ! (I wonder if Ohakea does have anything to do with it - not that the government or any politician would know anything about that, would they?)

Will keep my antenna tuned :!:

Pamela

[John Anderson]

That's interesting Pamela,

if you heard planes they must have been more or less over your house, You would not have heard them if they were on the normal domestic North-bound flight path about 40 kms out to sea from Levin. Of course, what you heard may have been lower flying domestic craft heading for destinations other than Auckland. However the fact that you noticed the sound of planes would indicate that it was somewhat anomalous to you - and what we saw in the morning strongly indicated that lots of highflying craft, off the normal flight paths, had been at work during the night. Of course, the large Chemclouds observed overhead may have originated over Marlborough, even over Arapawa Island and drifted to your area with the Southwest wind prevailing at that time. I guess we'll never know for sure...

BTW I think you can safely discount Ohakea as a source of planes leaving trails, as far as I know, there is nothing much based there now. Perhaps Info4 could confirm this for us...

Regards

[pamela]

[info4]

I haven't kept in touch with many guys I knew from the RNZAF (other than the ones I run into at my current work place). But to the best of my knowledge there is no fixed wing aircraft there.
There maybe some helicopters (not sure) but when I served there we had 75 Squadron (Skyhawks), 14 Squadron (Strikemasters replaced by the Aermacchi) and 42 Squadron (Andovers). 42 Squadron transfered to Auckland in 1984 and as most people know the Skyhawks and Aermacchi plus the Squadrons are gone.

Actually I just checked the Air Force web site and found this information.

"Since January 2002 the Utility Flight (Iroquois) and the Training Flight(Sioux) have been based at RNZAF Base Ohakea".

Also it looks like they do have fixed wing aircraft. This is from their web site again.

"The Squadron (42) relocated to RNZAF Base Ohakea in January 2002 and is under the command of the RNZAF Flying Training Wing located at RNZAF Base Ohakea ".

According to the web site 42 Squadron fly Beech King Air B200 aircraft.

Source is www.airforce.mil.nz

[info4]

Some more info

Here is a web site with some pics of the Air Force aircraft taken from an airshow at Ohakea in April 2004

http://www.integration.co.nz/aviation/Ohakea042.htm

[Deano]

Im pretty sure there is at least 16 Iroquois helicopters there. Dont know about planes. At night over Feilding I hear what sounds like a cessna or small plane quite often but someone said they do night training at Tahonui(the small local airport) so am not too paranoid there although what John says about nighttime CT activity interests me. What better way to do it in secrecy. I am slightly leaning toward CT activity having something to do with sun reflection. John there have been several large X-class flares striking the Earth unsure dates nov,oct 04 and maybe even this year as well. Protection??. Just a theory.

[pamela]

Hi Bloodhound and Melody,
Just going back to the conversation quoted beneath - I'd believe any Government could be sucked into whatever may seem expedient to them at the time.
After all - if they are later proved to have been negligent in ignoring warnings or questions - they may try defending themselves with the argument that we can predict!
Pamela

[John Anderson]

Deano,

I've read quite a number of night-time spraying activities from around the world, it seems to be on the increase. It also seems that the craft doing the spraying are unusually quiet. Under the cover of darkness they may be using secret technology, anti-gravity craft, to spray at low altitude. There are many reports of such craft, here's an example:



The link to the full article:

http://www.handpen.com/Bio/ss.htm#Sighting

The huge triangular slow moving craft seen by thousands, mostly at night, may be used for this type of operation. Here's a recent report of a smaller version:

http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/043/S43465.html

This doesn't sound like something from 'outer space'.

It may be that the only way to verify night-time operations is by direct observation - not easy at night. Better get yourself some night vision gear. :-)

Regards