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Joined: 05 Nov 2003
Posts: 387
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 2:32 pm Post Subject:
Hi Azimuth,
Well put, you raise some very pertinent points:
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If the offending mode of transport, in this case a jet was substantially smaller and lets say had no wings. Now lets take this modified jet and have him drive up and down the Southern Motorway for a while forming a wonderful contrail from Mangere to Papakura.
What would happen?
I hazard a guess you would be chased down by every Policeman in South Auckland and arrested, fined and attract the ire of every Greeny and well intentioned citizen on or near the motorway. Your vehicle would be impounded. Jeez you’d probably even make the Six o’clock news and if not apprehended would make the Top Ten most wanted list. Parliament may even consider retrospectively reintroducing capital punishment.
Apparently, add a couple of wings to your mode of transport, call it a plane and once your wheels leave the ground you are exempt from criticism. Any resulting pollution in considered a normal by-product of air travel and is acceptable, jeez most people don’t even take a second look. God forbid if you speak out and say “hang on a minute perhaps this is not normal or acceptable” you could find yourself relegated to the Loony Left field very quickly.
Yes everything you say is right. It's interesting that the greens world-wide tend, as a matter of policy it would seem, to basically ignore the Chemtrail issue. Especially Greenpeace, who will not 'touch it with a barge pole' - but should be very very involved...
Of course the greens en masse are very protective of their hard won political power and will, it seems, do nothing to jeopardise it. When groups or individuals start assigning a greater priority to defending what they have rather than moving forward or going for rightness, then they lose their effectiveness. They become cowards.
The 'powers that be' have done a great job in conditioning the public to associate weird stuff in the sky with weird people and the resultant fear of being lumped in with these weirdoes and being mocked by normal sensible people. And, of course, any political party that lifts their eyes skywards would instantly lose their credibility.
This was taken through the aircraft window in our last few seconds on the ground before leaving Blenheim last weekend:
Normal people look at this sort of stuff for mere seconds. They will not observe to the degree that the spreading and persisting nature of the phenomena becomes apparent to them. In other words, glancing up is OK and even the odd muffled wow is OK, but persistent craning of the neck will attract unwelcome attention. Whether it does or not actually attract that attention is irrelevant, the individual expects unwelcome attention and thus feels very uncomfortable and averts their gaze.
Speaking about such matters has the same effect. We observed this happening on a number of occasions during the job in Blenheim. It was not possible to get any conversation going for long, despite the reality of the activity literally happening at the very moment over our heads. They would in very short time become confused and uncomfortable. These were, in the main very low key discussions, nothing about spraying campaigns or secret technologies etc...
But yes, to get back the points in your post, do something similar on the ground and people would look - and act...
Joined: 05 Nov 2003
Posts: 814
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 3:02 pm Post Subject:
Actually it was interesting to get the chance to raise the subject in Blenheim whilst activity was actually happening. We were standing up on the balcony of the winery as the sun was setting. There were some huge trails being laid down in the western sky and some earlier trails that had already spread significantly and were fouling the sky. Some guests were standing looking at them, the majority of course, weren't.
There were a couple of middleaged women standing next to me. One of them said that her daughter had photographed five parallel trails only a few days prior: "four of them were straight as a die..." When I expressed interest, she said "oh yes, we see a lot of them down here". "We see a lot around lunch time" she said. There was almost a sense of pride in the remark.
I commented that aircraft contrails never used to spread out like this and that it only seemed to have begun happening in recent years. At this point, the eyes begin to glaze over. They nodded however, saying "no.....that's right" I waited for the "I wonder why?" but it never came.
I said "where are they going do you think?"
"Well, they're going from Christchurch to Auckland, Auckland to Christchurch!" The reply was swift and certain. Then you could sense their minds beginning to tick over, "Well.... they'd have to be..... wouldn't they?......?" "Yes, Christchurch... they'd have to be..." At this point, the conversation faded out.
On that occasion there were trails that were definitely not in the direction of Auckland to Christchurch or vice versa clearly visible in the evening sky.
This is fairly typical of the kinds of exchange encountered when trying to elicit a conversation on the subject. It seems that people are very reluctant to think about the issue or be questioning about it - they don't like to be pressed to think about it. You can almost see the wall go up at a certain point, as perhaps, something starts to dawn on them.
Very very rarely will someone pick up on the comment that this is a new and recent phenonemon and follow on with it. Once only have we had someone say "yeah, I wonder why that is?" However, the conversation went no further. Things tend to go very very quiet...
We'll post some of the shots from the trip soon. We saw and photographed our first night time chemtrails down there.
The first time I saw one I pointed it out to my mothers boyfriend, I asked him what he thought it was, in complete certaincy he responded "Its a vapour trail", i left it at that, knowing full well that contails are nothing like this.
The second time I saw one I contacted my friend and he could also see it, he lives two suburbs away from me so that is an EXTREMELY long trail.. anyway, I tell my father about this, he not only refused to believe it was anything other than a vapour trail, he became agressive when i suggested it was bieng sprayed deliberately.
I mean what the hell is wrong with people, im beyond trying now, it frustrates me so much.
Joined: 05 Nov 2003
Posts: 387
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 9:31 pm Post Subject:
Hi Bloodhound,
I can understand how you feel...
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The first time I saw one I pointed it out to my mothers boyfriend, I asked him what he thought it was, in complete certaincy he responded "Its a vapour trail", i left it at that, knowing full well that contails are nothing like this.
The second time I saw one I contacted my friend and he could also see it, he lives two suburbs away from me so that is an EXTREMELY long trail.. anyway, I tell my father about this, he not only refused to believe it was anything other than a vapour trail, he became agressive when i suggested it was bieng sprayed deliberately.
I mean what the hell is wrong with people, im beyond trying now, it frustrates me so much.
These people are very threatened by such stuff and are probably unreachable by you and it's not worth the effort. Rather than get frustrated, which only tends to waste your energy, it's probably better to seek out those who are genuinely interested and tell them what you know, even introduce them to this website. Become more informed, the better to make of yourself an effective advocate for the truth...
Joined: 17 Mar 2005
Posts: 32
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 12:03 am Post Subject: Take it to the next level
Hi all.
I was thinking why not take things to the next level. With all these anomalies happening around us and the seeming apathy of the general public and an indifferent sceptical media, why not create a TV show called Mysterious New Zealand. It could used as an educational outreach medium for reporting on phenomena ignored by the NZ mainstream media, but is obviously happening 'behind the scenes', CTs, UFOs,Near death experiences, ghosts whatever. Most people all secretly love this stuff, not that they will openly admit that for fear of being seen as wierd or whatever. For instance in the US something like 62% of the population believe that there are UFO's and a similar percentage think that the government is covering up this issue. There are even ex US Airforce personal with solid character credentials publicly disclosing information on this topic, amongst other things.
Great way to get the public more conscious of topics and issues that the mainstream media won't touch.
Well it's certainly a possibility. Before we can start taking things to the next level however, we need to get the current phase tied down. At this time we are completing the development of the rest of the Mysterious New Zealand site, which will encompass an extensive news archive with search facility, feature articles on a whole variety of interesting subjects, documentation on a whole range of anomalous and New Zealand mystery related subjects, information and resources, opinion polls etc.
As you can imagine this task is a fairly major one and one we have been engaged in for more than a year now. We are developing a significant management structure which will allow us to maintain the site efficiently and which will ensure that the volume of information is accessible and properly referenced and laid out.
So the overall vision of the site is much more than just the forums and the gallery. We are also working on the completion of our NZ VCD on chemtrail activity here. New and important information that has recently come to light will prove vital to the effectiveness of this presentation.
Once that is complete, we can embark on a much more major marketing exercise to increase awareness of the site. For a site with almost no marketing to date, it is scoring very well in search engines at this time, for many generalised relevant terms. We are constantly engaged in optimisation and tweaking to further increase its rankings.
All of this must be done in 'our spare time' (ha ha ha :lol: ) and as our budget has allowed. We agree that many people are indeed secretly interested in this stuff. It is amazing how many people will open up about their interest given the opportunity and the right circumstances. We also hope that our common sense approach and professional presentation will help the site gain momentum and allow it to be widely acceptable even in certain mainstream quarters.
Certainly in successfully gaining the trademark Mysterious New Zealand ®, we have sought to think ahead to allow for possible extensions of the site and how it might develop into other areas.
Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 2:21 pm Post Subject: Public Response to Chemtrails and Persistant Contrails
Hi Bloodhound, Tim Rose and others
I,too, have had the same reaction when trying to point CTs out to people.
I used to get very frustrated that they refused to see the obvious, but that was counter productive, so I just decided to wait.
Hadleigh was the only one I could talk to, but that was not very often. I think we both felt very alone.
Now we have this wonderful forum where we can share with those who feel the same about what is occurring, so don't be discouraged, we have all had the same negtive reactions. People will see when they are ready, but we have to keep the info there for them to see.
My own health problems have served to make some people think as they could see what happened to me and how I coped...not with drugs, but with natural methods. I ended up with ME...not nice, but I can function now pretty well. I think we have to be the sources of information and oh boy, do I need to share with all of you.
Finding Mysterious New Zealand and all of you is the most wonderful thing that could have happened.
Betty-Arapawa
Joined: 17 Mar 2005
Posts: 32
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 12:33 pm Post Subject:
Hello Betty.
Nice to see another alert person sharing their experiences with CT's on this forum. Like yourself I have been aware of this anomalous CT activity for some time now. From my travel around NZ and other places around the world over the last 10 years I was aware that this activity is happening on a global scale. Amazingly enough very few people are conscious of what is going on in the skies above them. It can make one feel somewhat isolated from the rest of the 'sleeping world', but fortunately we have this forum to make more people alert to this activity, because those who are doing this operation don't want people to question it. As a saying goes one stick on its own is easily broken, but many sticks together is unbreakable. Look forward to future communications with you.
