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Azimuth
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:10 pm Post Subject: |
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RANDOMNESS OF NATURE?
10:00AM and 10:15AM 3/4/2003 Nashville TN, USA
Source:http://www.shadowresearch.com/weather/unusual%20weather%20reports.htm
11:02 NZDT, Whatawhata, New Zealand
Photo by Ron Ovendon, NIWA
Source: http://www.metvuw.com/index.php
I can’t help but notice the similarities between these two images. I find it extremely difficult to reconcile that dear old “mother” nature exclusively, could replicate very similar (in appearance) phenomena half a world away and two years apart. I thought nature is random!
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hadleigh
Joined: 27 Feb 2005
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Location: Wanganui
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 9:08 pm Post Subject: Mine's not a punch hole |
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Hi Guy's.
I should mention I think that the photo I took is not a punch hole.
It may not be clearly visible, but there's a chemtrail through the cloud in that shot and that is (I think) the cause of that particular phenomenon.
The true punch holes seem to be a different creature altogether. |
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Melody Anderson
Joined: 05 Nov 2003
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Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 9:12 pm Post Subject: Re: Mine's not a punch hole |
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| hadleigh wrote: | Hi Guy's.
I should mention I think that the photo I took is not a punch hole.
It may not be clearly visible, but there's a chemtrail through the cloud in that shot and that is (I think) the cause of that particular phenomenon. |
Thanks for that Hadleigh - nevertheless, as you say, an interesting effect.
Are you happy with the Special Collection Gallery we created for your images? |
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hadleigh
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Location: Wanganui
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 9:33 pm Post Subject: Happy Happy Joy Joy |
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Yes That's great thanks.
Is there any way the special collections can be edited by their author's.
Can I edit my own collection or do i need to relay my editing requests and recommendations to you :-)
I wonder if there are any known transmitter facilities near the Whatawhata area? |
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Melody Anderson
Joined: 05 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:42 pm Post Subject: |
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| hadleigh wrote: | Is there any way the special collections can be edited by their author's.
Can I edit my own collection or do i need to relay my editing requests and recommendations to you |
Not at this time I'm afraid. Just PM us with any edits you'd like to make, with the appropriate details etc. |
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Colin
Joined: 22 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 2:38 pm Post Subject: |
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I have just had a look at those photos on Metvew and they are utterly extraordinary!
I'm no meteorologist, but when you consider what must be going on in the atmosphere to create those effects... it's...I don't know... but bloody weird!!
I was left with a feeling of something being quite sinister about them. |
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Azimuth
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| Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 10:41 pm Post Subject: |
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TWIN HOLE PUNCH CLOUDS OVER WHANGAREI 31/12/2005
Linked from: ImageShack
I took this image at 1303 hrs this afternoon. This is one of several images of this twin Hole Punch cloud and another single Hole Punch cloud that formed about a half hour after I took the above picture.
I have uploaded the images to the gallery but am waiting for them to be approved.
I must say this was a truely awesome spectacle for which I again feel privileged to have been witness to. After seeing and photographing a Hole Punch Cloud over Whangarei on 24 March this year which was the initiator of this thread, I thought that was a once-in-a-lifetime experience. Three in the space of half an hour and one of those being a twin Hole Punch is just amazing and I’m still fizzing.
As you can see from the above image they were reasonably close to my location. Although I did not see them form, they must have formed quickly as I had been out side admiring the unusual high cloud formations only minutes before. These must have formed almost directly above my house.
At the time there was a 10/15 knot westerly breeze. The patchy high alto cumulus cloud (?) was also moving quickly in a NE direction.
Seasons Greeting and all the best for the New Year.
Azimuth
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Deano
Joined: 22 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 12:37 am Post Subject: |
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Good spotting Azumith, most unnatural formation. Definate manipulated contours.
Happy New Year |
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Azimuth
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Melody Anderson
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| Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 8:03 am Post Subject: |
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| :-) Gee Azimuth - the things you see over your back fence! Are you lucky or what? They are truly stunning shots. |
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info4
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| Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 9:05 am Post Subject: |
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Yes stunning indeed those photo's
Must be something in the atmosphere that they like to use up your way :? |
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Carus
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| Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 9:06 am Post Subject: |
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| Stunning photos alright :!: Azimuth, are you sure you haven't got a magnet or something hidden in your backyard there :?: :o :lol: You sure do see some weird stuff. |
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Azimuth
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:22 pm Post Subject: |
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Hi all,
| Melody Anderson wrote: | | :-) Gee Azimuth - the things you see over your back fence! Are you lucky or what? They are truly stunning shots. |
Indeed Mel, very lucky….right place…right time. Unfortunately the photos are a little over saturated as I: (1) was using a polarizing filter as is usual for me when shooting clouds. (2) had set my cameras’ advanced features to vivid from a shoot a few days previous and forgot to reset it back to normal in my haste.
| info4 wrote: | Yes stunning indeed those photo's
Must be something in the atmosphere that they like to use up your way :? |
Whangarei is known as the city of 100 beaches…………… :idea: should be renamed the city of 100 “punch-hole” clouds…….. that should bring the tourist flocking in.
| Carus wrote: | | Stunning photos alright :!: Azimuth, are you sure you haven't got a magnet or something hidden in your backyard there :?: :o :lol: You sure do see some weird stuff. |
I’ve been digging for weeks now installing my NBC (Nuke, Biological & chemical) shelter in the back lawn and haven’t struck any magnets or underground bases yet……
These “punch-holes” could be likened to “crop circles” in the sky…………….Oh gawd……………..don’t tempt fate……..Mrs Azimuth will not be amused if some damn alien crop circle destroys her herb garden…………..oh well, at least I wouldn’t get my “beans”
Seriously though, yes I have been very fortunate to have photographed several of these rare and yet to be explained “punch-hole” clouds. I’ve sent the images off to NIWA for comment, I have yet to receive a reply.
All the best
Azimuth |
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chris-ed
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:42 am Post Subject: More strange happenings in clouds |
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Here area couple of photos from coasttocoastam.com...They were taken close to each other in different directions-within minutes of each other...Its happening in Boise' Idaho as well
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page1258.html
regards chris-ed
| From Website wrote: | I was driving near the Boise Air Terminal early yesterday afternoon (January 4, 2006). It had been raining in Boise for the past 4 days and yesterday the clouds began to thin. I caught sight of something strange coming over the horizon from the West and pulled over to watch it. As it drifted closer, I saw that it was shaped something like a snake slithering through the sky. I snapped a photo of it with my Nikon Coolpix 7000 digital camera.
Then, I turned around and saw another anomaly in the sky toward the East. I changed locations so that I could get a better picture of it. It looked like the underside of a horseshoe crab. I have no explanation for either of these phenomena.
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Deano
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 7:04 pm Post Subject: |
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| Almost supernatural looking like its about to form into a face or something good spotting |
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Hector
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| Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:58 pm Post Subject: Hole-Punch Clouds |
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Risking bringing an old thread back up to the top again...
This phenomenon has been seen in layers of alto-cumulus cloud. See the posts and discussion above. This cloud type occurs between about 10000 and 20000 feet in the mid-latitudes. The air temperture there is typically between -5 and -25 degrees Celsius. The cloud is composed of super-cooled liquid water droplets. Water droplets can remain liquid to as low as -40 before it spontaneously freezes.
Super-cooled liquid water droplets will freeze if they come into contact with a suitable crystalisation nucleus such as smoke or dust particles, ice crystals, and so on. They may also freeze if they are shocked. It is thought that this is how hail cannons work, but that's another thread. Silver iodide crystals are also very good crystalisation nuclei. This substance was used in weather modification experiments, and probably still is. Again, another thread.
Anyway, ther other thing to know is that the saturation vapour pressure with respect to ice is lower than the stauration vapour pressure with respect to water. Check it out somewhere on the Internet. Google: saturation +ice +water
The consequence of this is that given the choice, water vapour will preferentially deposit onto an ice crystal than condense to a water droplet. Further than that, the ice crystals will grow at the expense of any water droplets that may be present. Water evapourates off the water droplet surface and join the ice crystal by deposition.
This is what is happening in the hole-punch alto-cumulus cloud. Something has triggered a super-cooled water droplet to freeze, and the surrounding liquid water is being scavanged onto the growing number of ice crystals. These ice crystals start to fall and the resulting gentle down-draft entrains other ice crystals. Eventually the ice crystals are being moved away from the remaining liquid water droplets at a rate faster than the water vapour can diffuse across the space between them. At that point the process stops leaving a nice symetrical hole in the alto-cumulus cloud layer.
The same phenomenon (saturation vapour pressure with respect to ice being lower than that with respect to water) can be seen at work in some developing fog situations. When the ambient air temperature is already low, say 6 to 10 degrees Celsius, and there is the prospect of fog developing, it is often a race between the formation of a layer of fog, and a frost occurring on the ground. If a few degrees of frost can be achieved on the ground, the fog then has a struggle to form properly. The water vapour is preferentially drawn to the ice. The fog may come and go or be patchy, but never really gets established. This is seen at Christchurch Airport often enough.
This is also why your favourite cuts of meat and fish get "freezer burn" if you don't seal them up properly. The water in the meat is being evapourated in the low humidity because of the presence of all the ice building up on the walls of the freezer. That is also why you should clean it all out from time to time.
Who'd have thought you would get household hints on Mysterious New Zealand?
So, hole-punch cloud is a natural phenomenon related to the particular physical properties of water. The only "new" thing is the possible increase in the availablility and type of crystalisation nuclei for the super-cooled water droplets. |
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Azimuth
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 3:01 pm Post Subject: |
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Hector,
Thanks for the excellent and informative post above.
Cheers
Azimuth |
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John Anderson
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 7:08 pm Post Subject: |
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So the only remaining mysteries are:
1/ What is the something that triggers the Hole Punch and
2/ Why is it a relatively recent phenomena (last six years or so)...
We may never know...
| Quote: | Still requires more research, but since there may be no commercial application it may be hard finding a willing investor/research provider.
- Bob McDavitt |
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John Anderson
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| Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:15 pm Post Subject: |
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It is also interesting that these Hole Punch clouds started appearing at about the same time as the Chemtrail story began. Coincidence?
At least one weather man is certain they're not normal:
http://www.weatherwars.info/holes02.htm |
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