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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:26 pm Post Subject: Human rights
http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/
This link gives the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights
There is a huge amount of money spent in the attempt to get this injected into early education
It was originally overseen by Eleanor Roosevelt, (and it shows, in it's underlying "confidence" in the supremacy of certain values)
I first read this about five years ago, and again today, and I must say thanks to the work of people like John and Mel, and Smashdracs, and the education I've been getting in politics through their websites, it reads entirely differently after five years
In fact, it somewhat takes on the cast of someone trying to entice children into his car with lollies
I think it needs an overhaul, pretty soon, if it is to stay relevant
My feeling is that it is undignified to even admit that we need to post a bill of rights to keep our house in order, so I would start by saying that these rights are designed to become redundant, like the Irish wolfhound, which did itself out of a job by removing successfully the reason for it's existence.
It's terrifically entitlement-driven, and likely to create a self-perpetuating bureaucracy, which will work to perpetuate the need to have it.
What do you think?
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:56 am Post Subject:
"If more people knew and insisted on their rights, the world would be far more peaceful and civilized"
Well, we really need more civilization
There are still people running around naked in the jungle!
But I think one has to go along with the peaceful part
Let's take this thing and unpackage it
There are 30 articles or "rights" in this document
Here's the one on education:
(1) Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit.
(2) Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.
(3) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.
So who wants a free education
Hands up!
Oops, sorry, you get that whether you like it or not, "at least" until at the end of elementary and fundamental, you get to qualify for further education, which may or may not be free, and is contingent on your demonstrating "merit"
Now I'm probably just proving my utter unworthiness as a candidate for higher education, but I just straight away think that this is a formula for stagnation in the universities.
And apart from being so murky and elastic as to be meaningless , even to lawyers, it seems to presuppose that what it calls elementary and fundamental education is / are fully magnificent and have their final polish ...... What about the potential for development and evolution? Am I wrong? Or is this article too "top-down"?
The quote at the top comes from the UN website for the promulgation of this charter to the worlds youth
You can send away and get a free kit
No cornflakes boxtops required
This document has philosophical cracks you could drive the U.S.S. Missouri through, in bad weather, but it's going to be beating us around the ears for some time, maybe, and it's so bad it makes for good discussion, and we should all know what's in it
Next week: NO SLAVERY "in all its forms".....(debt slavery?)
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:39 pm Post Subject:
I think you have to try and take a larger overview with this stuff. "Their" education is of course going to be "free" because they want EVERYONE's "full personality development" to be formed by it (the indoctrination they provide). The "understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups" that it will promote is simply creating a more easily managed SINGLE global community with no sovereign nations showing any points of difference. And as for it furthering "the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace" - well "peace" in their terms simply means the elimination of ALL opposition to their one world view!
Parents choosing "the kind of education that shall be given to their children"? That's like saying that in our fake democracy you have a choice to vote for whoever you want even though you are handed all the choices. Let's see how you go if you choose home-schooling!!!
The UN exists for one main purpose - all the other stuff is filler or a means to an end...
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 1:14 pm Post Subject:
The UN has always been a field where nations and blocs of nations jockey for advantage. The OPEC nations used it to lever up their stocks; Japan and Norway use it to buy the support of small states for their whaling obsession.
At the moment it's hijacked by the currency and commodity barons, but this too will pass, in time
The Charter of Rights is important
1) because it is being actively foisted on much of the world
2) because it is flawed, which to my mind gives more advantages than disadvantages, as long as it is discussed, not dismissed or ignored.
Hell, for some really riveting reading, check the new Icelandic Constitution !!!
http://stjornlagarad.is/english/
