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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:01 pm Post Subject: Where was Hawaiki?
Maori for Mars, the planet, according to the Ngata dictionary is "Matawhero".
Sumerian for Mars, according to the Pennsylvania dictionary is "Mastabarru".
Maori for west; "uru"
Akkadian for west; "amurru".
Akkadian is a Semitic language, totally different to Sumerian, and younger than Sumerian, at least in it's widespread currency in Mesopotamia
Sumerian and Akkadian words seem also to have been inherited by English and French......Sumerian for "no" is "nu", and for "speak" is "di"
To be continued.........
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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:19 pm Post Subject:
Salt, brackish (Sumerian)=mun ; (Maori)=moana=the sea
(Akkadian)tabtu=brackish; (Maori)tote=salty
(S) kar (A) karu (M) aka = harbour
(A) matu ; (M) mate = die
(A) meru ; (M) oru = thick
I think there is here, already, the basis for a good case that there is a strong and direct connection between Maori and ancient Mesopotamian languages
Sumerian survived as a priestly language long after the Sumerian civilization was forgotten by the people in that area, so the extraordinary similarity for the name of the planet Mars, could have survived like we still use a bit of Latin today.
Results so far suggest that the Maori people emigrated from Mesopotamia, or perhaps a group of people fleeing from the area joined the Maori community somewhere, sometime after Akkadian became the major tongue, after the fall of Sumer, around 2000 BC
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:05 pm Post Subject:
Maori for "sun" is the same as the Egyptian sungod Ra
We seem to have a smattering of words derived from three ancient cultures, so far, Egypt, Babylon and Sumer
I think we have a mystery.
It would be really good if a Maori language expert took this on
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:14 pm Post Subject:
Thanks Deano
There are many words dissimilar, too
Sorting through for this lot, so far, represents quite a lot of time.
I'm trying to interest some Maori language experts, to pick it up.
The Ngata and Pennsylvania dictionaries are both great facilities, easy and interesting to use; have a crack yourself!
I'll keep this thread alive for a while, but the study cries out for someone like Ruth Makuini or Hirini Reedy, both of whom I've tried to contact. I think it is clear enough that it's worth doing.
I'm re-reading The Lost Book of Enki.....really makes me want to go back to the Oxford Electronic Corpus of Sumerian Literature, to try and see what that sly fellow Sitchen got from old sources, and what he added himself
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:19 am Post Subject:
Phoenecian!!! Now there's a good question
And Canaanite and Hittite and Persian
No familiarity with those languages at all, Deano
But if the two theses have legs, a) that there was a Maori migration from Mesopotamia, and b) that all languages stemmed from Sumerian and Akkadian, then we might expect to find (as we have so far, in a very small way), cross-over words between all languages, and the pattern might give us a good idea of the route and time of the migration.
I think it looks like a big job
Nevertheless, with the help of such excellent dictionaries as are becoming available on-line, as my old English teacher Dr. Blackburn used to say, with reference to School Certificate English, "a moderately intelligent parrot could do it"
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:01 pm Post Subject:
Phoenecian!!! Now there's a good question
And Canaanite and Hittite and Persian
No familiarity with those languages at all, Deano
But if the two theses have legs, a) that there was a Maori migration from Mesopotamia, and b) that all languages stemmed from Sumerian and Akkadian, then we might expect to find (as we have so far, in a very small way), cross-over words between all languages, and the pattern might give us a good idea of the route and time of the migration.
I think it looks like a big job
Nevertheless, with the help of such excellent dictionaries as are becoming available on-line, as my old English teacher Dr. Blackburn used to say, with reference to School Certificate English, "a moderately intelligent parrot could do it"
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:48 pm Post Subject:
Your other question, Deano.
The Lost Book of Enki is a pretty unusual thing.
Sitchen takes his story from the Iraqi clay tablets, which are more or less fragmentary, heavily from the Bible, and many other sources such as The Book of Enoch, he Sumernizes all the names and then homogenizes the mixture with a stilted, almost unreadable, Yoda-my-name-is style of pseudo-archaic syntax.
Here and there, I think, there are gems, well blended into the story, whether by design or by accident.
His chronology is bound up with the alleged 3600-year cycle of the alleged planet Nibaru. I haven't seen good evidence for Nibaru's existence, yet, nor any to suggest any valid 3600 year cycle, and in The Lost Book of Enki, there are glaring inconsistencies in his account of the length of a "Sar", and of the lifespans of his gods, demigods and humans.
He is also a materialist to the core.
He has no idea of the psychic and "magical" powers and abilities of his gods, as are explicit or implied in all the stories of all nations, including his sources.
He doesn't know what shamans were, and are capable of.
His translation of every word that might mean "vehicle", as a "spaceship",and every explosion bigger than a fart, must be interpreted as a nuclear bomb, covers and confuses the story in many places.
What I'm grateful to him for, and The Lost Book has an elaborated version, is his drawing attention to the story of mankinds creation by Enki and his cohorts in southern Africa. Also the details of the interbreeding between the gods and their genetically modified hominids.
The story is fascinating, to me it has a ring of truth, it explains many human behaviours which are otherwise a puzzle.
The story of the rivalry between Enki and Enlil, the long saga of how it unravelled through the children and grandchildren, it's huge simply as drama, Sitchen does do it justice, as the greatest story ever told.
Whether his elaborate details are in keeping with the true history, is in question.
Maybe we will find out one day, surely there are more stone and clay tablets buried in the sands of Iraq, probably there are crates of them, in the basements of Europes museums. The U.S.Army,allegedly made a base for a while, on the site of the city of Ur. Sitchen's last book, (he died last year) contains an impassioned plea for the bones of the "queen"at the centre of the Royal Burial of Ur, to be checked out for super-human DNA, which are held in the British Museum
So the Lost Book is stimulating, to say the least
Least said, soonest mended is.
Yes fascinating stuff alright the grand assembly of the annunaki were the group which created the latest human upgrades thats you and me lol anyways enki along with ninhursag (think thats the one) who was the scientist of the group set about genetically engineering a group of slaves to mine the gold on earth for use on nibiru the annunaki homeworld. Enkis half brother enlil saw the new humans as tools whereas enki who had a hand in our creation had a bit of a soft spot for us. But I could ramble on for ages lol
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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:13 am Post Subject:
Yes, that seems to be central to the story, that component you have described very well. The chronology is an issue that is puzzling. From what I can gather so far, it seems the gods may have had a lifespan in the high thousands of years.
From what I've gathered from archaeology, and the mitochondrial DNA work, it seems that Neanderthal Person was the original GM labourer, and Cro Magnon is the result of Neanderthal crossbreeding with the Annunaki. There may be remnant Neanderthals left in high and remote places, like the Yowie, the Yeti and the Sasquatch. Apparently Neanderthal groups were inclined to stay up on the high plateaus in France, when the CroMagnons were moving into the river valleys to exploit the migrations of herds through the fords in the great rivers, and the salmon migrations. There are people who say they have lived with Sasquatch families in Canada.
So,anyway, it seems likely that Neanderthal and CroMagnon( in a very small number) both arrived 250,000 odd years ago, and the story about Marduk taking a human bride, and the Igigi all doing the same, fits the record for about 38,000 years ago
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Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:49 pm Post Subject:
Yeah, Deano, this equivalence of 3,600 to one doesn't quite get through all the credibility gates..... The Nibaru side isn't well substantiated, but the record of lifespans in the Bible and the king lists, and the Book of Thoth (=Marduk), all that is food for thought, Marduk manifestly represented himself to the humans as the creator of the universe, Jahweh is an enigma, in the Bible the Elohim are credited with creation, Jahweh comes in at the exodus.... There's a lot of unknowns and possibly unknowables here, for us mere mortals
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:00 pm Post Subject:
Well, Deano, I'm looking for a website that I had bookmarked on my laptop which has died, blaming ASIO or similar, my dogs got poisoned too, but because it's my thread I can post this thing, best appreciated with a fair dolop of alcohol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3yYiyxzJLk
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:41 pm Post Subject:
Hers a great example of someone with a Ph.D, who has devoured the Sitchen version perhaps a little uncritically, and who expects the gods, on their return, to confer VIP status on her, in honor of her qualification, as well as great longevity and possibly weapons of mass destruction.
Another one who does not realise what powers these beings have.
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 11:06 pm Post Subject:
Missed the paste
Typical of someone who does not have a Ph.D.
http://members.westnet.com.au/gary-david-thompson/page11-3.html
You know, mystics start out with a Ph.D, and work through Honours, M.A. And B.A., to eventually graduate as "out of the mouths of babes"
