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Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 12:55 am Post Subject: NZ naive fool over global warming
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For those interested ...
Here is an 'opinion' piece I came across in our local newspaper (online). A couple of weeks old ... sorry.
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NZ naive fool over global warming
MIKE WERE - The Marlborough Express
Last updated 13:18 13/01/2011
OPINION: Looking back over last year, the emission trading scheme (ETS) stands out as our biggest screw up.
In the beginning I was confused about global warming. Arguments for and against seemed credible. They came from scientists – people we normally trust. Both sides sounded plausible, each referencing seemingly convincing scientific data. Trouble was there was no way I (or most of us) could verify this data and the arguments based on them.
A couple of years ago, still stumped by the opposing messages, I began looking at the messengers instead.
Those scientists for global warming [including our own Niwa types] generally seemed to be the institutionalised, wet, sycophantic and politically cunning sort of academic whose income, more often than not, depended on there being global warming. Those against were more the independent sort of scientist, who seemed to have integrity and who did not stand to gain financially from the global warming argument.
Those for global warming approached it with a religious fervour – and a religion is what it became. In an increasingly agnostic world, many of us have no religious conviction to sate a need for belief and a cause. Coupled with that Western need to feel continually guilty about something, global warming neatly filled a gap.
Like most religions it had its puppeteers lurking behind the scenes waiting for the coming bounty of riches and power as their mass of believers swelled.
Historically, humans have always been self-centred enough to believe we caused any force of nature that we didn't understand. Guilt then pinned it to our waywardness.
As ever, the solution is sacrifice. Killing first-borns, sacrificing virgins, self-flagellation and hair shirts are out of fashion, so what better penance than hitting ourselves in the pocket? And who more willing to help than an ever tax-greedy government?
Hence the beauty of the ETS. Unfortunately it instantly cost all citizens, and, by making New Zealand less competitive, promises ever decreasing wealth in years to come.
In early 2010, the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change was caught cooking the books in favour of global warming. What seemed like an isolated case of fraud spread to a systemic invention of facts to fit their pre-determined global warming theory; and denial of those that didn't.
Undeterred, our gallant, true-believer government pushed on. Copenhagen, where major greenhouse gas producing countries (including all our trading partners) backed down from previous targets, served to spur them on, heroically. Although we produce only a tiny fraction of the world's greenhouse gases, we were to show the rest of them how it's fixed.
In implementing ETS we have gone further, faster on a road to nowhere than any other country. Rather than being the admired leader, New Zealand is the naive fool. We fired the first shot for the cause neatly through our foot.
The idea that we do something can make us feel better. Should we do anything at all? Yes, a sensible insurance policy for the unlikely event of climate change being man-made, and for which we pay low premiums; but our ETS – definitely not.
Y'all feel better now? Or like me – poorer, mystified and just a little stupid?
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Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 12:10 pm Post Subject:
beautifully written and nicely summed up; i would add the observation that the creation of carbon credits, literally out of thin air, is just another suck-hole example of the fat controllers in the big cities of the north, turning every little thing into a commodity
they've done it with fishing and agriculture and they're closing in on genetics
"commodification" is a big evil, all by itself
Historically, humans have always been self-centered enough to believe we caused any force of nature that we didn't understand. Guilt then pinned it to our waywardness.
That is epic stuff!!!!!
Likewize.
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began looking at the messengers instead.
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Follow the money trail / Cui Bono, who benefits?
THIS is not rocket "science".
Never mind if one bunch says an ice core reveals this, and other camp says the opposite.
If well meaning readers / researchers / public are looking to facts, figures, evidence, this global warring campaign is now so whitewashed and filled with disinfo, you are way better off looking at it from another angle.
As we all well know now, science as we get it - is no longer - and I quote from one of Gisborne Heralds naive readers, "Hard working underpaid individuals working hard to find the truth"
My own feeling is, even if we had something to do with what is happening, and it was due to the nasty ugly world of petrochemical, and otherwise pollutants, it isn't the goober in the street that needs squeezing for extra dollars ( as if somehow throwing money at it will solve it ) .. it is the industrial sector.
For which another big fat paradox comes up.
I for one am happy with my car and computer and every other manifestation comfort in the less than perfect modern world. :)
By that I mean if the greenies want to go back to the stone age, good on 'em but I don't!
Until a golden age of free energy, complete universal awareness of all beings and their needs, we are kinda stuck with what we have.
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they're closing in on genetics
Umm, bit late ... I think the horse has not only bolted, but has had youngsters and retired, :(
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Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 9:15 pm Post Subject:
well Niksta, i don't know any of these sandal-wearing greenies you refer to, personally, i'm usually bare-foot myself, but one thing is for sure, if one of these greenies you hypothesise about, ever got away from Remuera and tried to live off the land, he/she would get hungry , on account of, the productive land which furnished stone-age persons with a handy living, is gone, vanished under tarmac and industrial monoculture.
what remains in a wild state is difficult to live off, even with the skills which our ancestors cherished and nurtured up until a few decades ago
so, while i, too, love my led lights, and laptop and digital camera, i would toss them aside any day, in exchange for having half the world reset to a few hundred years ago
speaking sensibly, having achieved these technologies, i see no reason why we can't work towards having both; a level of industry that allows these luxuries, at least for some people, and enough space left wild for the other fauna to live, which are presently disappearing forever at a rate of knots, and for people who want to assimilate the pattern of Nature, to go there and be able to survive reasonably well for a while at a time
for this, though, we do need to think long-term about reducing our numbers, and, as i said before, without this, our species will anyway, be ravaged by disease and war, and predators from the human race
it's a weird situation, to be dominated, as we presently seem to be, by a secret cabal.....from my perspective, this looks like the logical result of unbridled urban sprawl, sorry man, i just think cities suck
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Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:11 am Post Subject:
All good guys and I definitely agree with Niksta on where the blame REALLY lies for all the crap out there. However, I still think this is complete BS as I'm pretty sure like a lot of things there's still no actual proof that our numbers are excessive and definitely WILL increase at the exponential rate some predict -
steve clougher wrote:
for this, though, we do need to think long-term about reducing our numbers...
Sorry Steve but based on what? "Evidense" from the "well-paid" scientists referred to in another post? Realistically yes, cities are packed with people but they are generally just dots in the middle of vast tracts of uncrowded land. It's very easy to convince someone living in the artificial environs of a densely populated city with all it's congestion and associated artificially created headaches that the world is overpopulated - they just look around themselves and can't help but agree. Go to any continent though and drop them in the middle of nowhere and get them to walk back to civilisation and see how long it takes and ask how many people they saw out there... I'd say it'd probably take just a tad longer than driving from one side of town t'other during peak hour traffic :mrgreen: Many people underestimate the vastness of REAL wilderness around the globe methinks 8)
Well said Maestro, I was too lazy to reply to Troy Mc clougher, ( sorry steve, can't help myself :lol: ) .. but it was exactly that, the notion we don't have enough tucker or room. That is utter bollocks!
Have you not done a vege garden steve?
What we don't have is enough awareness, and unfortunately you can't buy that from the UN 8)
Speaking of phony shortages, has anyone heard any mainstream media about NZ debt?
Someone was telling me Donkey was trotting out the same old tired utterly cliche nonsense about selling family jew-els and tightening belts?? :roll:
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:44 pm Post Subject:
uncrowded spaces around cities, Crakka, tend to be monoculture; all pasture, all grapes, all turnips etc., not much biodiversity, and often heaps of chemicals, so due to the eradication of the wild web of life and the empoverishment of the soil, many species are dying out, worldwide, at an accelerating rate, and blind Freddy can see, this is due to too many people, not to mention their extravagent over-consumption, and dirty pollution
as to the notion that there's plenty of wilderness left, check out the rate of deforestation of the Amazon basin, and have a quick run around te once-great wild spaces of British Columbia, with google earth look up the rate of extinctions of species and give a little thought to the notion that these non-human beings might be quite important, collectively, to the continued survival of our species also?
i think the large corporations require an environment of continuous expansion, for their survival, thus, we are relentlessly bombarded with the the praise of economic growth, when blind Freddy's take on this is: THIS CAN'T GO ON FOR EVER, BOYS!
thanx for the idea of growing a garden, Niksta; i think i'll take that one on board
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 12:53 pm Post Subject:
steve clougher wrote:
...this is due to too many people...
Again, I repeat - just like global warming & the THEORY of evolution = totally unproven speculation, and as some would put forward - complete deception! It's the kind of thing that's so easy to convince people of with very little actual fact by showing them emotive images and a bunch of malthusian data that their brains can't really understand so just accept, skip over & file in the "too hard" basket. Y'know it's quite amazing really that those who are quick to "follow" science because it supposedly "proves" so much are the same "know it all Freddies" who will swallow stuff like this so readily. It's just like my neighbour who thinks he knows everything there is to know about NZ politics and the parties involved and will argue with you till after the sun sets. Unfortunately he gets ALL his information on the subject from TV, talkback radio and the NZ Herald! :roll:
If you know anything you'll know that the most basic underlying "law" of biology, no nature itself, is the overwhelming & all-powerful drive above all other things to maintain stasis (or "balance"). Man's made-up "laws" & rules pale by their very insignificance & invalidity! :mrgreen: Some, if not most "bright future believers", I'm sure you'll at least go part way to agree, probably ass-u-me they can control nature - Gillard's comment after the recent flood was possibly a perfect example of the true arrogance that hardly any of your "blind" Freddies would've picked up on. She said "We can repair anything nature throws at us". Now if you had your ears & eyes open you would've heard that correctly - did she say anything about repairing the "damage" caused by nature? No, she said they could "fix" anything nature "threw at them" ie. fix nature itself! Politicians in these circumstances rehearse their speeches very well with their paid professional aids and don't make "slip ups" as the media would have us believe.
Anyway I digress... another point I wanted to make is that maybe the apparent controllers know they can't control nature itself but CAN alter things within the environment so that nature will react to these changes. This definitely bears some thinking as it is a much more likely scenario that could change the way you perceive both the situation and the possible solutions! It's the same concept as convincing people that the nature of reality is actually different to what it is so that they/nature adapts accordingly :wink:
Sorry if that seemed like an impromptu rant - it was! Eating lunch & rushing to get back out the door!!! Have a good day all :)
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 1:06 pm Post Subject:
Crakka wrote:
Y'know it's quite amazing really that those who are quick to "follow" science because it supposedly "proves" so much are the same "know it all Freddies" who will swallow stuff like this so readily. It's just like my neighbour who thinks he knows everything there is to know about NZ politics and the parties involved and will argue with you till after the sun sets. Unfortunately he gets ALL his information on the subject from TV, talkback radio and the NZ Herald! :roll:
Oh and I should've added also that my focus on IGNORANCE & EGO above plays a huge role here as a defence mechanism so that people hold onto their false beliefs with gusto save they lose face by having to admit that someone seemingly not as well-read/educated/qualified/experienced/intelligent/etc as them smashed them in the face with truth! :!:
this is due to too many people, not to mention their extravagant over-consumption,
Brother, this is the heart of the beast!
We all "feel" we are guilty - of existing - due to an incomprehensible mind control regime that has been implemented for at least as far back as religion was invented.
If you think about it, ( or better still, have examined the qualities of your own unconscious ) fear and guilt are THE big guys in our psyche!
What I am sure has happened is - recently the imaginary friend in the sky ( g*d ) has been replaced with earth / green movement / environ-mental religion.
Maybe you should revisit some Allan Watt and others who point out the endless quotes and examples of how this has been foisted upon us?
I don't think there is a person in the general public who still has more than single digit number of brain cells ( and this is a highly doubtful scenario ) who would disagree with the notion of pollution and destruction of natural environs = bad.
Industrialists, Monsanto, greedy multinationals YES!
But why pick on the populace?
If you have taken any notice of *modern* human nature, you will have noticed that the sheeple can be made to do or think anything.
Need consumer treadmill? You got it!!!
Need willing slaves? You got it!!
Need an opinion formed? You got it !! baayyy beee ( the big O )
My point is the sheeple are hypnotized ( literally ) the place where the car / TV / alcohol / sugary death food can be bought and they are straining there wooly little bodies to get there.
So to blame the naive gullible robots masquerading as thinking people for their behavior / extravagance / consumption is evidence of a mind which has fallen victim of the non stop conditioning / brainwashing.
We are not the problem steve.
The controllers of humanity are.
Maybe you should check out the work of the likes of Sir Laurens de Van der Post, and his writings on the Kalahari.
It just shows a people who without the interference of a psychopathic controlling force, get on with the birds and the bees and the flowers and the trees!
It is obvious to me personally that - while you cant actually say "human nature" as some objective reality, I would suggest that "if" we hadn't been under the stewardship of these controlling psychopaths, we "may" have been like the Kalahari.
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If you want another approach.
Have you got kids, and if so have you not noticed their ( mostly ) pure natures ( apart from the obvious culture conditioning)?
Not getting on your case here brother, we all need to wake up to what is under the radar of our conscious mind.
We are brainwashed very very deeply indeed, and it requires a dedication and courage to look at your own, beliefs / motivations / unwavering assumptions / conclusions etc.
The point is, the powers that be have set up the pernicious urban disconnected, alienated, neurotic and the list goes on environments - with the full knowledge / intention that it is easier to control a fearful, dependent population, than a healthy, independent, informed, self sufficient calm happy population.
So lets drop the guilt at being ASAP!
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:16 am Post Subject:
I could not have said it better myself, thanks. Nothing personal Steve you understand - as Niksta said, we are all on the same side :) (I hope #-o :mrgreen: ). However the essence of what you said and the way you said it I've seen & heard a thousand times before and Nik has placed his digit squarely on the button in answer to it!
But yeah, but nah, but yeah, but nah but yep - fear & guilt are the big 2 there and they are craftily fed every single day by the media including a never-ending bombardment of advertising/social engineering confirming in oh so many ways from blatant to very undetectably (by the conscious mind anyway) subtle that "WE ARE GUILTY!!!".
(You are trained and/or work in the field of psychology yes Steve? Thought I saw you say this earlier somewhere...)
Anyway, religion's a biggy in terms of just how well-crafted that deception is but they've been at it for an awful long time so it's understandably well-honed. From what I've come to understand the transition from one major religious period to the next is always a work-in-progress - one that spans very long periods of time. There was a time when you had a god for every single thing that happened, then to tidy things up they were all replaced with just one fatherly god. Those good religious followers who today think we are living in age of "ungodliness" have really only got it half-right - as Niksta said "recently the imaginary friend in the sky ( g*d ) has been replaced with earth / green movement / environ-mental religion." (a "motherly" god now?! hmmm, that's another topic all it's own, let's move on!) All these gods as you probably already know are interchangeable to suit "management" needs at any given time. What we don't always see is just how well it is managed because our attention span has been specially trained to be very short term :wink:
Just to fill the gap after that last paragraph & just 'cos the thought popped into my head - I always thought that the taking over (?) of christianity in the early centuries AD by the very people that supposedly killed Jesus was a dead giveaway, especially the blatant name "Roman C... Church" but then I always tend to look at things simply :roll: Oh and if you're dead keen on religious history see if you can unearth all the connections between today's other apparently separate denominations and the "(Roman) C... Church"! There's one or two at least that have made a few efforts even fairly recently to bury their roots in various ways for various reasons 8) (I won't be elaborating so don't ask!)
I really can't add anymore to what's already been said 'cept to say this all fits fairly perfectly under the title of this thread (Wow! We're not actually hijacking this thread too? :lol: )...
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:18 pm Post Subject:
that's all good thinking, fellows, may i add the suggestion that the imperative of being made to feel guilty for our own existence, which you clearly see as a control tool, is actually based on something real and true, (which we may tentatively call "conscience"), which, true to form, has been hijacked by the fatties???.........let us try not to throw the baby out with the bathwater!!!
no formal training in psychology, Crakka, but i've read a smattering of the establishment academic material over the years, and except the Buddhist and Sufi writings, i've never found anything worth reading
children, indeed, are right up there with wilderness, in being true and good sources of, well, truth and goodness, etc.
Alan Watt seems to me, is a very effective disinfo guru; most of what he pumps out is factually true, but it's slanted and spun, to leave most "consumers" feeling less empowered and less hopeful, than before
Niksta, my unswerving conviction, is that the world will only begin to become sane again, when top-down is balanced by grass-roots......i've always said it's in everyone's interests, the predator/parasites no less than the honest ones; blame certainly attaches to the power-mad, but we have to take back local control, and that starts with our own local council, our neighbours, our little backyard.....as long as your "sheeple" ignore these opportunities, and don't put in a bit of time on these things, i say they are to blame also
Van der Post is a great guy, i've read some, and i've met some people in the mountains of Mexico, some decades ago, who lived on very little beyond a bit of morning dew, fresh air, and the odd peyote button, and who shared everything and had no artificiality in their life, no heirarchy, no bull; impossible to forget the feeling of equality, liberty and fraternity around them, it was thick in the air.....actual fact, and b.t.w., my wife has ancestry from the Kalahari Qoi people, and is, into the bargain, a very accomplished clinical psychologist, one of the rare ones
hopefully Ruapaka will tolerate our digressing a bit; i'm finding this thread very thought-provoking, and we'll eventually wander back onto the track put so lucidly before us by Mike Were, i feel sure
