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Ross Marsden
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| Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:04 pm Post Subject: Extreme weather – climate change or something else? |
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| Quote: | Tuesday, 25 January 2011, 11:20 am
Press Release: NZ Environmental Public Interest
Extreme weather – climate change or something else?
What on earth is going on with the weather around the world!! We have the coldest December ever on record in the UK, we have floods in Australia covering the size of Germany and France combined, and we have Northland declared a drought zone in 2010. The most common response to this would be ‘the weather is going crazy because of climate change’. Maybe it is and maybe it isn’t, but there is one very strong common denominator with all three of these areas. All three of these areas have in recent times been areas where there have been very high levels of what is known as man made ‘Stratospheric Geo-engineering’ conducted.
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http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/SC1101/S00048/extreme-weather-climate-change-or-something-else.htm
So this is what we are calling it now. Chemtrails had a nice ring to it, and it kinda rolled of the tongue nicely. End of an era, then? |
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smashdracs
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| Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:29 pm Post Subject: |
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| One thing is for sure. Your attempts to squash the whole chemtrail conspiracy/whatever you want to call it, have failed spectacularly Ross. |
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Niksta
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| Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:47 pm Post Subject: |
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I checked the scoopa poopa website and got this happy little notice!
| Quote: | | This story has been removed |
uh huh :-$ |
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Ross Marsden
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| Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:19 pm Post Subject: |
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| smashdracs wrote: | | One thing is for sure. Your attempts to squash the whole chemtrail conspiracy/whatever you want to call it, have failed spectacularly Ross. |
"Removed."
So, apparently not. |
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Niksta
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| Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:49 pm Post Subject: |
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Smash, I think there could be a quality of moving fecal matter against gravity, with a small branch here.
A bumper sticker I have seen springs to mind.
"Don't vote - it just encourages them."
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smashdracs
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| Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:13 am Post Subject: |
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| Quote: | | "Removed." So, apparently not. |
OK 1 point to you Ross. |
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smashdracs
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| Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:22 am Post Subject: |
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| I have emailed the editor of Scoop.co.nz to find out his reason for deleting the press release. |
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Crakka
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| Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:16 am Post Subject: |
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Hmmm, considering scoopa poopa's previous articles stated that geoengineering was only ever considered as an unpopular "plan B" that "might" be considered it looks plainly like someone stepped on toes by saying "All three of these areas have in recent times been areas where there have been very high levels of what is known as man made ‘Stratospheric Geo-engineering’ conducted."
Just a reminder of scoopa poopa's last few articles on geoengineering. The simple message? Accept that you all guilty of increasing atmospheric CO2 and reduce/pay your carbon tax OR we might/will geoengineer the planet as "plan B".
Here's a truth from the second link although it can be read more than one way of course - "no geoengineering scheme is fully credible"
It is followed by this - "Despite the difficulties with geoengineering, the Royal Society of New Zealand considers that several schemes could become particularly important..."
(we all know "could" means "will" or more commonly, "already is")
Royal Society report on geoengineering and climate - http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/SC0909/S00003.htm
CO2 reduction favoured over untried geoengineering - http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/SC0909/S00004.htm
And the usual "nothing to see here, move along" report...
UN to Impose Geoengineering Moratorium - http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO1010/S00423/un-to-impose-geoengineering-moratorium.htm |
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smashdracs
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| Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:38 am Post Subject: |
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Yes I agree crakka that the wording of the press release was rather unfortunate.
The guys at Scoop are very into the global warming/climate change nonsense and my experience of dealing with greenie climate change fanatics is that they turn violent and nasty when anyone dares to challenge their religious doctrine of carbon dioxide as a deadly gas etc etc etc.... So it is not likely that they would accept anything that contradicts the doctrine... |
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Crakka
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| Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:26 pm Post Subject: |
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Totally with you on that smash :wink:
VERY obvious to me how the "slightly" alternative media was put in place to appeal to a certain audience not completely captured by the mainstream - bFM is a PERFECT example! Dare to challenge the global warming swindle on there anytime and see where it gets you. Even asking for something as simple as some representation from the "non-believers" to balance out the completely one-sided debate(?) is met with religious frothing at the mouth and chants of "it ain't gonna happen anytime soon, if ever!".
I used the words "fake greeny" to this greenpeace supporter the other day during a conversation about toxic mercury-filled "eco" bulbs filling up landfills. From that point on it was like she zipped up her ears & brain and refused to discuss anything else because obviously her programming refused to let her see me as anything other than "the enemy". Cult much? |
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Crakka
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| Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:38 pm Post Subject: |
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| Niksta wrote: | "Don't vote - it just encourages them."
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Oops, too late! :lol: Good advice though :thumbsup |
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Niksta
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| Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:25 pm Post Subject: |
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Yup yup and yup, well said and summarized chappies!
I mentioned our daily paper the other day, and will reiterate now, just to prove the vitriol of this global warr(m)ing behemoth - we have letters virtually on a daily basis from sheeple who have seen through the nonsense and state it so, and every day the Ed ( yes he is a talking horse I suspect ) comes in with "Science is in total agreement, blah blah blah percent of scien-tits are convinced, argument over".
This my enlightened friends is the nature of a giant conspiracy, that the fence sitters should see as a Prima Facie -that even though an individual in the street might not be directly on the pay roll of the dark side, the agenda just seems to rumble on as if powered by some magic force. :?
Con Trials anyone? :lol: |
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smashdracs
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:53 am Post Subject: |
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And lets not forget the core agenda of the Greenie movement is depopulation of the planet. Yes our warm fuzzy greenie friends want to see most of the people alive today wiped off the face of the planet.
Hopefully one day we can wipe all the fake greenies of the face of the earth. I read an old news paper article yesterday about an environmental rally in New York City in 1990 in which tens of thousands of people attended. It took a couple of days for the city council to clean up the nearly 2 tons of rubbish the greenie's left behind on the ground. Pharken self righteous hypocrites. Smash em I say... |
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Crakka
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| Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:22 pm Post Subject: |
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| smashdracs wrote: | | And lets not forget the core agenda of the Greenie movement is depopulation of the planet. |
Unfortunately this is true although I'd say the vast majority of "followers/cultists/zealots" have absolutely no idea what they've been conned into :shock:
| smashdracs wrote: | | Pharken self righteous hypocrites. |
Sums up the vast majority in my experience! An ignorant nazi eugenics-supporting scumbag in sandals is still an ignorant nazi eugenics-supporting scumbag or at the very least an easily led fool :roll: And boy oh boy... there's a heap o' them fools out there :shock: |
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steve clougher
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| Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:40 pm Post Subject: |
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population control is up to us, how we want to do it, but if we don't do it ourselves somehow, and i'm certain there is a gentle and civilised path still easily available, but if we just concentrate our numbers, and throw up more and bigger ugly suburbs, and cities where anonymity and secrecy proliferate, well, my guess is, we'll fall into the evil clutches of ruthless illuminati, so-called, and population control will be forced upon us in a corresponding ugly way......there's no need to equate population control with eugenics, and there are other doctrines, just as bad, racist and arrogant doctrines, as well as eugenics, that are in the wind, for us, if we don't get a handle on this one soon
everything else in this thread, i agree wholeheartedly, and well done Ross, getting a point, fully well earned |
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Ross Marsden
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| Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 5:28 pm Post Subject: |
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Thanks Steve.
When I drew the Editor's attention to the story, It wasn't my intention that it would be removed. It was a mile stone chemtrail story in the mainstream media. |
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steve clougher
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| Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 12:26 pm Post Subject: |
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Well, Ross, i'm not sure i'd call "scoop nz" mainstream?
if a story such as this came out in the mainstream media, which i define as offshore-controlled, then we would assume there is some nefarious purpose for releasing it, and likewise, if is is withdrawn, but maybe there could be some brave journalist, briefly forcing a story through a crack in the wall?
anyway, milestone or not, they are miles behind us, and not saying anything new to us |
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Niksta
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Ross Marsden
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| Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 11:08 am Post Subject: |
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I found this on Clare's Most Excellent Weather Blog ...
http://chemtrailsnorthnz.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/peter-drew-article-feb-10.pdf
This letter to the editor of the Marlborough Express is pretty much the same as the short article that was on Scoop for a short time. I have been looking for the full text and here it is, as far as I recall.
And now we know who "NZ Environmental Environmental Public Interest" is. It is Peter Drew of Dunedin.
So, that's another mystery solved. |
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Niksta
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| Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 11:59 am Post Subject: |
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| So what's the story Ross, the entire Chemical Trails phenomenon and all related information is bull dust on a humongous scale? |
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Ross Marsden
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| Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 6:26 pm Post Subject: |
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There is no chemtrail "phenomenon" as such, but I know what you mean.
Ah, made-up nonsense; yes, correct.
That is my opinion. (Both statements... in case there is any misunderstanding.) |
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Ross Marsden
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| Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:16 am Post Subject: |
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The "NORTHLAND NEW ZEALAND CHEMTRAILS WATCH" blog site by Clare Swinney has this entry today:
Article About Stratospheric Aerosol Geo-engineering Removed From Scoop.co.nz Website
I have left a comment there. It is awaiting moderation.
| Quote: | “… then Ross Marsden … asked for it to be removed from the Scoop.co.nz website.”
This is not true. This is a lie. You are a liar, Clare Swinney!
Oh, and do not maintain that “aerosol trails are merely condensation trails”. I have never said or written the phrase “merely condensation trails”. Another lie. |
It should say, "Oh, and I do not..." Anyway, I doubt my comment it will survive "moderation". It will persist here for posterity.
I hope no one here is under the impression that I asked for article to be removed. I said above that when I wrote to the editor I had no intention that it would be removed. If that were the case, I would have included it in its entirety in my original post. Obviously. |
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smashdracs
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 1:07 pm Post Subject: |
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| The editor of scoop never did me the courtesy of replying to my question as to why he deleted the article. |
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Crakka
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:50 pm Post Subject: |
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Yaaaaaaawn...  |
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Crakka
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:38 am Post Subject: |
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Sorry, didn't mean to appear rude above - just that this thread seemed to be going nowhere as they quite often do. But actually Ross, I'm glad you gave your opinion here...
| Ross Marsden wrote: | There is no chemtrail "phenomenon" as such, but I know what you mean.
Ah, made-up nonsense; yes, correct.
That is my opinion. (Both statements... in case there is any misunderstanding.) |
Because... I would like to ask your opinion on something else that came to mind straight after reading that last one. I'm sure many others would be very interested to hear/see your straightforward but explanatory opinion on this too as it's really the crux of the matter for a number I'm sure. So here it is...
What, in your opinion, is the motive of the makers of the movie "What In The World Are They Spraying?" (we'll use that one as it's the latest presentation doing the rounds) if all this chemtrail & geoengineering stuff is just "made-up nonsense". To me at least the people who made this movie and certainly many of the key people in it "exposing" this stuff appear to be sane, calm, intelligent and indeed somewhat qualified & experienced and most if not all appear to be presenting the information in a non-alarmist or non-fanatical way. Many would find it hard to believe that all these people are just making this stuff up out of thin air or coming at it from a completely uninformed position. Do you think it's simply a case of "a little information can be dangerous" because they don't have all the facts and they are just pursuing this without really knowing what they're talking about or do you think they have another agenda and what could that possibly be?
I would really appreciate you breaking this down for us so that we can try and see as clearly as possible where the line might be between what you consider fact & fiction (or as you said "made-up nonsense"). If indeed these film-makers & bloggers are engaged in a massive disinfo campaign to try and convince the general public that there's definitely fire below that smoke then we need to know in clear terms why they would want to do this from professionals such as yourself who oppose their stance otherwise the argument just looks like a silly playground mud-slinging spat. Are they very smart anarchists or just misinformed emotional reactionaries?
Most people I've spoken to personally about this issue, and I must say many more people in the general public are willing to discuss this subject now then ever before, display a definite distrust of official sources of information. Although many are hesitant also of completely embracing an entirely alternative view to the mainstream's it's very surprising sometimes to find out that people you least expected to do!
Anyway I guess this is a chance for you to give an informative opinion piece on just what might be going on here and this in turn might possibly lead to better understanding all round. Thanks :) |
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Ross Marsden
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:18 pm Post Subject: |
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Thank you, Crakka, for your gracious apology. There was no need; I was under the impression that your mild insult was directed to the previous poster.
So you would like my opinion, as a meteorologist I suppose, about why Michael Murphy and G Edward Griffin might be advancing the chemtrail and spraying idea when there may be nothing in it... you suggest ignorance or some other agenda. Interesting proposal.
Before I offer my opinion, I would like you to justify... no, not justify; simply explain the bottom line of your signature.
You can use this for context and historical reference: http://chemtrailsnorthnz.wordpress.com/2010/12/31/otago-daily-times-educates-readers-on-topic-of-chemtrails/
All in the interests of, as you say, better understanding.
Just so we are clear, my signature is a gentle send up of your astute observation about the net of a cube. No offence is intended. |
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Crakka
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:49 am Post Subject: |
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For the sake of clarity just a straightforward opinion from whatever stance you wish to assume here would suffice Ross, anything else is irrelevant.
Here's the lead-in again - "What, in your opinion, is the motive of the makers of the movie "What In The World Are They Spraying?"..." the rest is above. If that's too big an ask then we can just leave it at that if you like... |
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Niksta
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:51 pm Post Subject: |
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Being essentially a sticky beak, I can't stop myself joining in on this most civilized and friendly discussion. :)
| Quote: | | Before I offer my opinion, |
Why are we waiting? :lol:
Ross your a handsome brute!
Swish baby boomer with funky pony tail, *wolf whistle*
Speaking of opinions, I will give mine - coz that's how generous I am.
I have seen that plane go over Gisborne for years now, it leaves a contrail... fairly persistent if the weather is calm - 15 - 20 mins at longest.
I have never personally seen a persistent trail of any substance.
However, having researched the way the world IS - as opposed to the systems;
media / education / judiciary / religious / science (last 2 are the same :P ) version of it - I have no problem whatsoever believing that a secret operation is underway involving unpublicized technology.
But I don't need to believe it and I don't have an invested interest in it being true.
One of the stumbling points for veterans and noobs alike is trying to hard to understand where the fuzzy line of fact and disinfo get crossed.
Which leads to crakkas question to our resident rep from mainstream.
If it's not true - why would there be a ongoing massive global kerfuffle, involving hundreds of thousands of photos, videos, lab reports and such like?
Which of course is a fruitless line of inquiry.
Not for the pursuit of truth but for the unlikelihood of a straight answer.
Ross of course will likely answer with the Doors music in the background "People are strange"
It is true, people have been believing in imaginary friends for years - doesn't make them true.
Likewize saying everything is OK, normal, the gummint ain't corrupt and there is nothing to see move along is equally as naive.
Is it really as simple as;
If the trail dissipates quickly it's a contrail.
If it persists then it's not?
So to blanket statement - "there are no chemtrails only contrails"
Flys ( pun intended ) in the face of the observation of a very very large number of people from around the world.
Because it's saying to them;
"I know you said you saw a trail spread out and hang round for hours, but I say your deluded and it was a contrail ."
Finally in my long tirade of opinion.
People who have faith in the system do not want to open a cylindrical vessel of invertebrates 8) |
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Crakka
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| Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 9:56 am Post Subject: |
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Niksta
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| Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 1:46 pm Post Subject: |
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muwahahaha I LOL @ this
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