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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 3:38 pm Post Subject: ChemTrails - overall view
Hi
Where can I find a good url that gives a good outline ofthe ChemTrails. This is new to me and I want to find out as much as I can. I believe that it is happening, but would like to know more.
Some questions:
Where is a list of the typical chemicals etc being used
what is the intention or result of this spraying meant to achieve
where do the aircraft originate from that spray NZ
why do not the radar etc from airports show these or are they deleted etc from reports
what is the latest report of spraying in NZ
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 7:39 pm Post Subject:
welcome, sswcharlie,
if you page back through this site, you will find what is one of the best resources for any chemtrail researcher , on the internet
we proudly include paid-up professional skeptics, to keep us totally honest, and a spectrum of keen observers and researchers
meantime, get your binoculars out, and see if you can identify which airlines are spraying fluffy trails, and which ones emit only the normal contrails that we've been seeing since the days of jet-prop Britannias, and 707s
radar sets are available for around a grand, second-hand, and at least can help verify if there are altitude anomolies in the flightpaths of planes seen to be emitting weird trails
next port of call, to get a handle on this, and related subjects, is openUreyes
I'll introduce myself. I am an amateur debunker. Because of where I work and my position there, I also get the chance to do some professional debunking. I try to keep these two parts of my life compartmentalised.
This is my second membership here; my first one was terminated on Easter weekend 2008. I am on a sort of ASBO this time round. ;-)
I might also have persona non grata status as everybody ignored my Merry Christmas and Happy New Year thread.
There is also Supersaturation with Respect to Ice Awareness Day on the same date.
This is meant to be an informative response to the Chemtrail Awareness events which are somewhat devoid of good information as far as I can tell.
Everyone is welcome to attend and contribute by commenting, asking questions and so on. You need to have a Facebook account to see any of this.
If you do "Attend", please invite all your friends and contacts.
It is a virtual event - no need to commit to do anything or be anywhere. I might go to Wellington railway station and hand out a few fliers and some toy aeroplanes, sing some protest songs, something like that. And I might not.
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:19 am Post Subject:
oh, God, i thought i could hear violins
merry christmas Ross
good to be able to say you got something right, Ross
it's true there is a general void of good information about chemtrails.......information coming from well-meaning people is understandably sketchy; information coming from the rich and powerful is understandably corrupt
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:02 pm Post Subject:
schadow2012 wrote:
it wasn't you that was ignored - its the whole pushed down our throats "celebration" which does my cerebration in at any rate :)
Well said :wink:
steve clougher wrote:
it's true there is a general void of good information about chemtrails.......information coming from well-meaning people is understandably sketchy; information coming from the rich and powerful is understandably corrupt
Due to greater awareness and frequency (?) now though new & updated sources of info are surfacing constantly BUT be wary of disinfo also, especially from paid agents/prostitutes (some of whom openly admit this with terms like "professional debunker", etc) :wink: 8) :lol: :mrgreen: Good luck :)
Welcome to the forum sswcharlie. :)
Good luck finding an answer to these very good questions.
The default human condition appears to be having at least one or more belief systems in place.
The default human condition appears also to attach emotion in varying degrees to the said beliefs.
There are some things we can agree upon, like the sky is appears blue, Justin B is not Mozart.
While other things have a complex web of deliberately confused complications.
Complication 1. = Scientists, as a rule - are mortal, have bills to pay and do like funding, and don't like sticking the white coated neck out.
Find our what happened to Immanuel Velikovsky, when he proposed a different world view, for an extreme example of "scientific objectivity"
Complication 2. = The public are not only mortal, but aren't interested in research or any sort of effort whatsoever and want a nice easy TV dinner handed on a plate, while on the sofa and in front of the Weapon of Mass Distraction watching Dancing with the Blahs.
So a lot of Chemtrail believers will have seen a 10 minute youchoob vid, and believe every word, which leads to one heck of a lot of drivel made manifest.
Hence the difficulty getting through the labyrinth. :?
So your left with either believing when you hear / see a person, persons, report;
They now see CTs where as 30 or so years ago it was contrails, and they know the difference.
They have health various problems like respiratory, skin etc.
Or
You disbelieve them.
Or
You you just keep watching, listening, scoping, and maintain keeping an open, skeptical mind.
But most important is to monitor how much your emotions are evoked when someone holds an opposing view!
There are a lot of folks that find the whole idea to bizarre to comprehend, that on such a large scale, such an operation could be facilitated and held in place, all under everyone's nose, without whistle blowers etc.
Yet, with enough personal observation, and research, you can find out the world is a very different place, to what we are constantly told.
The depth and breadth of deception is such that, you realize anything is possible.
So in my usual long winded way, I am saying, you might not find a one stop shop for your answers - but just because you can't, it doesn't mean CT's are not real.
It also doesn't mean it's not possible to pull the proverbial wool.
It's being done right now, it's been done before, and I dare say will continue.
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oh, God, i thought i could hear violins
:lol:
Celebrate a great life in a great part of the world 24/7 = Yes!! :D
Celebrate by getting stressed and poor, because of a hijacked religion / distraction / commercial retail fest = Not for moi :)
Welcome sswcharlie ... Steve is right - you will find a lot of information, research, and links here on this site - just spend a bit of time browsing the forums. There is a lot of info out there - some of which is hard to get your head around. I think some of us 'questioners' get a bit excited and need to be careful not to discredit ourselves. Take your time digesting the info and cross-reference if you can ... I believe there are wolves in sheep's clothing pretending to be on the crusade when they are working to discredit good information by publishing bullshite or over-excited thinking with under-done research.
Ross .... you wrote ...
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I might also have persona non grata status as everybody ignored my Merry Christmas and Happy New Year thread.
.... go figure you assume we are all christian because you are and you must be right.
MNZ members ... sorry for my absence here ... I always checking and reading, but have had a few life events that have deemed my posting take a dive on the priorities list. I have some images for posting from the past months. I will post when things in my neck of the woods quieten down a bit..
sswcharlie ... again welcome ... got some good minds posting here ... don't be afraid to ask questions .... we'll protect you from Ross ... LOL
Hi there and Welcome, this forum is probably one of the more stimulating and open minded out there dealing with things we cannot quantify. Hence the moniker 'Mysterious'.
Chemtrails have been throughly flogged without one solid conclusion coming out of these discussions (going on since 05') apart from blatant attempts at outright de-bunking, modern myth creation, denigration and perspective enhancment all accompanied by often visceral emotionally based counter reactions (unsurprisingly, due to the polarised nature of the participants - we desperately want to 'know' if only for the welfare of our home planet). The personalities alone would make a great study in human Psychology.
Here in NZ the evidence that these things are actively changing our environment is pretty scant in my opinion, they have definiety been observed less in some parts of the country, but more in others (Whangarei being the latest area to have these commonly occuring). The top of the south island is the only place that has consistently seem them over this period of time. And those that have been living there and documenting them have identified some other, stranger, occurences involved with the appearance of them in many instances. The climate hasn't even changed that much in the past 5 years to be quite honest, vast tracts of landscape has not been rendered infertile, and people are not dropping like flies from illness. Not to say there may be some deeper, more insidious agenda at work here with regards this phenomonen, incrementally - just beyond our time reference. There are many excellent videos and websites (international) that are making headway into the reasoning behind the very distinct possibility that geo-engineering is taking place along with other, more criminal acts, perpertated by the elite few. You cannot begin to look at this subject without opening a whole plethora of associated subjects and cracking the can of worms. So if you are serious, be prepared to ditch alot of what you know about the world around you. If you want instant answers to it all you have come to the wrong place. You have to get intimately involved, and it may change you fundamentally. Good or bad is no longer the issue I reckon, the information age and associated technologies have changed us forever. Intuition we will have to survie on possibly from here on in.
In my opinion, science is at its infancy here on earth (what we are taught in our academic institutions anyway), we are still ego based and a bunch of homo erectus'ses for want of a better word, probably a bit more dumbed down than we were 30 years ago but do not discount anything and be prepared to formulate your own outlook at the end of the day if you are genuinely seeking peace of mind and clarity. The fact that we are actually all in this consensus reality together and share the same dream should unite us knowing that you cant harm anything else without harming ourselves. Wether it be with words or physical actions.
From what I can tell:
- Crakka is a bloody clever chap who surfs heartily (waves) and has honest concerns and sharp observational skills.
- Niksta is a bloody witty, insightful chap who plays guitar like a demon
- Ruapaka is a no bullshit documenter and photographer who lives in the hills
- Smashdracs is a very sharp observer and no holds barred activist
- Ross is our nemises :lol: who is traditionally trained by mainstream academia, enjoys upholding the noteriety that entails, and also enjoys many other hobbies apart from desperately trying make us think all is normal.
- Steve C is an amicable and quick witted aussie compatriot who seeks genuine freedom.
- I am a wandering dirt bike rider, sky observer and wild speculator of often outlandish possibilities, none the less possibilities.
- Deano is an open minded individual who looks outside the planet often and at invisible things too (that can be measured with our instruments of course).
Forgive me if I have left you out, Im writing this in haste.
Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:52 am Post Subject: The ego, errr.. eagle has landed
secondfield.
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we are still ego based and a bunch of homo erectus'ses for want of a better word, probably a bit more dumbed down than we were 30 years ago but do not discount anything and be prepared to formulate your own outlook at the end of the day if you are genuinely seeking peace of mind and clarity
You sire are a scholar and a gentleman, albeit covered in mud from your YZ500! :mrgreen:
Even though this thread was started by swwcharlie, questioning CTs
In the tradition of highjacking and generic ranting. :twisted:
It has brought the whole gang out for a welcoming and share-fest.
I confess to a few warm fuzzies, as in this insanely frenetic freak show called earthly life, it is very comforting to know there are people of heart and soul determined to be up before sparrows blow off, ready to confront themselves and the world as it is.
Folks who don't think - they KNOW we have been hoodwinked ( masonic term, google it ).
Which is why even if in my little town I have only seen two persistent trails, the principal that we are being;
dumbed down
poisoned
brainwashed
socially engineered
or even affected by subtle ( or not so ) technologies is very real.
Therefore, if I sneak down to the airport and try to find some MiB's furtively glancing around and shiftily emptying some loominum and beery um into airy planes fuel tanks, I am prolly gonna be outa luck.
But that doesn't mean as smash pointed out in an earlier thread, there aren't a whole host of ways in which CT's can be done.
Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:01 pm Post Subject: CT in New Zealand
Wow. There is so much info on the net. Trying to get thru a lot of it.
There is an awful lot of facts as against theory. Facts that aircraft are spraying something over mamoth areas of the earth.
For this to even happen there is an awful lot of people in the know or being told to be quiet, or, being told what they are doing is for some other reason.
eg pilots, aircraft maintenance people, spray equipment manufacturers, air control towers, military, chemical companies, and of course politicians, etc. If this many people know or know something is not right how are they kept from letting us know that something is amiss.
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:20 pm Post Subject: Re: The ego, errr.. eagle has landed
Niksta wrote:
You sire are a scholar and a gentleman, albeit covered in mud from your YZ500! :mrgreen:
Agreed 8)
sswcharlie wrote:
If this many people know or know something is not right how are they kept from letting us know that something is amiss?
Just think for a minute how many people in your town, in your city, in your country and in the world still can't even figure out what's wrong with the basic "products" they buy off the supermarket shelves everyday to feed themselves with and you can start to figure this out. I mean it really does appear that simple to someone who uses commonsense! "Hoodwinked" is a great word to use here (thanks Niksta). When you are raised from childhood to adulthood to believe that everything around you is "normal" from the "food" you put in your mouth to the "medicine" you take to supposedly get better... well, do I need to say anymore? If you really take a good look at these things they are not really what they appear to be. For example (cos this is the easiest one to get to grips with if you're starting to "see"), "FOOD" is all those naturally produced things growing out in the natural world that we can ingest and easily convert into good healthy tissue, that keeps us "alive" & aware & vibrant & healthy! Nature via processes such as photosynthesis prepare "FOOD" so that we can assimilate all the nutrients within efficiently ie the way we are supposed to! The stuff from the supermarket shelf is "product" manufactured for profit that in most cases contains mere traces of "food" and in some cases contains no "food" at all!!!
Indoctrination & constant social engineering ensures compliance across the majority of the masses. Even if they suspect something most don't want to rock the boat and threaten their livelihood ie the cash income that feeds their consumer lifestyles & keeps them enslaved within the system. Part of the programming is to constantly remind people that we are like this "naturally" via the media and to add incentives into the mix such as occasional little news items or scenarios in programs & movies about what happens when you stick your neck out!
Getting back to "hoodwinked" - deception is something that although we wouldn't all admit to we actually use everyday on various levels. Being "trained" that little lies are ok "because everyone else does it" is a big part of the programming. Think driving your car in a 50k zone, Santa Claus and right down to your response when people ask how you are! Just a few of the many, many examples! On the other hand, when it comes to REALLY REALLY BIG LIES our trained psyches won't allow us to believe that someone would actually do that so therefore it can't possibly be true. In the words of 2 historical figures -
"The size of the lie is a definite factor in causing it to be believed, for the vast masses of a nation are in the depths of their hearts more easily deceived than they are consciously and intentionally bad. The primitive simplicity of their minds renders them a more easy prey to a big lie than a small one, for they themselves often tell little lies, but would be ashamed to tell big lies." - Adolph Hitler
"The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exits" - J. Edgar Hoover
I could go on & on but it's very obvious to me at least how this can very easily happen in our "well-managed" societies...
LOL Crakka, was typing this lot out, when your post appeared.
Gonna use the food & medicine analogy myself.
I was even going to post up a picture of myself with the bumper crop of veges from this years garden along side a picture of some money and ask;
*insert_Sesame St_music* "Which of these things is not like the other"
:lol:
This sswcharlie ..
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But that doesn't mean as smash pointed out in an earlier thread, there aren't a whole host of ways in which CT's can be done.
is why I said the above.
In some inverted way, this is an example of how we are "taught" to be inside the 'square' - as opposed to 'outside' of it .. check Crakkas sig for this, and his other links to researchers who are following up on the idea, our whole reality is given to us, in;
language
mo(o)ney
*cough* 'education'
poli-tricks
judicial system
Wallyhood *hollywood*
and the list goes on, in more subtle ways.
I say inverted because the irony of all that is going on regarding - (and forgive me for mixing metaphors, or at least conspiracies).
9/11 has been said to have woken up more people to the way the world is run, than a zillion books, lecturer and workshops.
So.
To be outside the square, ( and aware that the technology that we are shown / know about is fuzz all of what is being done in secret ) is to think something like;
These CT's could be done with drones or even devices we don't know exist, are immune to normal radar etc.
Looky here, from a previous Crakka post :D
This'
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If this many people know or know something is not right how are they kept from letting us know that something is amiss.
Is what's know as general consensus.
If millions of people believed in man going to the moon, does that mean it happened?
If you are new to the world of ( for the lack of a better word ) conspiracies.
Then you have just opened a veritable cylindrical vessel of invertebrates!
It's a long road getting up to speed with it all, but it really is nothing short of your own mind and individuality at stake .. I kid thee not. 8)
But as the mighty Ruapaka said;
"don't be afraid to ask in here",
we are real people with a real desire for ... hmm words are lacking here but uh - truth, or at least sharing, pooling resources and insights. :)
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:33 am Post Subject:
this is a very useful pdf, secondfield, written from a more mature viewpoint than most of the american stuff; this will give our in-house debunker(s) some problems, i feel, (should they decide to accept this mission)
thank you very much for your very kind words, above, secondfield
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:38 pm Post Subject: quick threadjack
Hey Steve, I keep forgetting to say thank you for the documentation you sent me on the Port Arthur Massacre, Sarah gave it to me a year or 2 ago. So thanks. Pretty disturbing reading it is....
Yup it does read like a serious report, no 10 min uchoob vid here!
Filled with fax n figures, references, polls and apt quotations.
Especially good was the details about jet aircraft emissions.
Apparently NATO forces currently use JP-8, a relatively new fuel type of fuel, whose additives are legally protected by a patent!
Oh, that must be for security reasons :wink:
However, I have that sinking feeling that I have, when reading letters in our local rag between anti and pro glowball warrming.
The feeling that science as is portrayed today in most situations is a parody of itself.
I guess there will always be preaching to the converted and the eternal hope that the small quantity of fence sitters, will see sense - for what it's worth.
But indeed a great discovery thanks a brazillion secondfield! :)
Lets spread this puppy around.
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:38 am Post Subject:
yeah, smashy, especially when you list the parallels between the trade centre murders and the port arthur murders:
legislation prepared in advance
demonization of one section of the community
media blitzkreig
complicity of high rank military elements
purge of their own people (cf flight 77)
many other factors in common
looks to me like a dress rehearsal for 911
i think the books and appendices in that cd are stupendous journalism, even if one doesn't agree entirely with the writers' politics, i never got a sniff of a lie
and, however much truth is in it, a salient fact is this:
almost the entire rural community in Australia believes it to be true, and very few in the cities are even aware of it, , and that is a very nasty situation
the rural regions are being deliberately depopulated, (this is the role of chemtrails, perhaps, or one of them) and at some stage, there's going to be big trouble, something like a civil war, there's nothing more tragic in human life than civil war, imho, we all die some time, but brother killing brother?
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:40 am Post Subject:
yeah, smashy, especially when you list the parallels between the trade centre murders and the port arthur murders:
legislation prepared in advance
demonization of one section of the community
media blitzkreig
complicity of high rank military elements
purge of their own people (cf flight 77)
many other factors in common
looks to me like a dress rehearsal for 911
i think the books and appendices in that cd are stupendous journalism, even if one doesn't agree entirely with the writers' politics, i never got a sniff of a lie
and, however much truth is in it, a salient fact is this:
almost the entire rural community in Australia believes it to be true, and very few in the cities are even aware of it, , and that is a very nasty situation
the rural regions are being deliberately depopulated, (this is the role of chemtrails, perhaps, or one of them) and at some stage, there's going to be big trouble, something like a civil war, there's nothing more tragic in human life than civil war, imho, we all die some time, but brother killing brother?
Thanks secondfield/smash :wink: Being one of the aforementioned "dial up brethren" I'll either set this going overnight or get someone else to d/l for me
Oh, big ups for smash posting this to his FB page ! :wink: Kudos earned, I didnt want to blow your cover Jeremy ... oop's :oops: :lol:
I remember posting this a while back now (slightly edited version):
Its a toughy' figuring this one out. Some thoughts if I was an evil bastard implementing / unleashing this sort of geo-engineering / whatever else on the planet, how I would go about it..
- The aircraft would be based at maybe 4 or 5 (secure, remote, military?) bases around the world. If they are tankers they can travel a long way and back home again. They do not land on soverign soil anywhere apart from their 'bases'.
- They are possibly remote piloted. This is in fact very easy to do, even on a military tanker. Boeing implemented remote piloting systems on their test jets way back in the 70's. Remember seeing a video crash test of a 720 with the wings being severed to see the spread of flaming fuel along the fuselage? Who was the pilot of that aircraft. Yeah right. Ditto 911, why did a transponder channel shut down prior to the aircrafts hijacking? for remote control telemetry of course, but I digress ...
- Compartmentalisation of jobs, which the military is famous for. This is how dirty work gets done by good people. Need to know basis only. Just the bosses know the big picture. I may sound like a crank, but I believe this is how they faked the moon landings. The chaps who designed the lunar landing module didnt know the chaps who designed the space suits. Hence they worked to a design criteria that in the end that wouldn't allow a fully kitted astronaut out of the bloody thing because his pack was too big... the evidence is sitting in the smithsonian institue.
- ATC (air traffic control) in each 'region' (so ive been told) is only aware of flights that concern them directly ie landing and taking off from their airport, they know flight numbers and destinations. Overflights at cruising altitudes they track, but are not aware of the more specific info on ie exactly who and where they are going.Transponder identification information can be altered or fabricated by those in the know anyhow.
But around NZ it seems specific areas get hit at different times .. Whangarei seems to be copping it at the mo' Wellys a couple of years back, Aucks more recently and Marlborough / nelson, well... lots... but that may be an entirely different occurence and for different reasons down there too...
Niksta mentioned the classified aviation fuel. There could be a type of fuel that has additives that possibly 'activate or fuse' (nano scale materials?) when combusted at various altitudes temperatures / throttle settings / barometric pressures / atmospheric constitutions - thus precipitating a chemical reaction or molecular bonding within the exhaust chamber itself, and facilitating the dispersal of whatever agent they are spraying. Phew. Nano type particles that combine to make a chemical soup when the right conditions are met? This may explain the on-off nature of trails, or why they are not seen on aircraft as they are ascending or descending through various altitudes. Pretty wooly maybe, but we cannot discount the advanced nature of the military industrial complex to hatch such schemes and implement / deploy such technologies.
Or a simple matter of remote switching the remote piloted aircraft's fuel tanks via radio telemetary links (Satelitte) when the time is right (even precision GPS guided, location activated). A very simple thing to do with todays tech.
Spray nozzles need not apply.
Oh' heres the video of the boeing being remotely piloted and crashed. Enjoy the music :)
Not wooly at all secondfield,
sswcharlie wanted some ideas, this is what we are suggesting as at least a very real world example.
Remote control is a well and truly idea ensconced in the world of video game, and movies.
From "Gamer"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1034032/ In a future mind-controlling game, death row convicts are forced to battle in a 'doom'-type environment.
From virtually all modern war video games you have Unmanned Aerial Vehicle ( UAV)
This in just one possibility for the CT.
Compartmentalization is indeed the bread n butter for this pyramidal structure we survive in and indeed an excellent example
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The chaps who designed the lunar landing module didnt know the chaps who designed the space suits.
Once ya done a bit of homework, the "smaller details" aren't so much a fixation. 8)
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:26 am Post Subject:
i had the impression that there was a moon landing, but much of the tv footage was generated to supplement the genuine footage, in case of complete mission failure, or failure of the comms
is there good evidence that there was no moon landing at all?
