Mysteries, Chemtrails, Aerosols :: Mysterious NZ

[smashdracs]

Check out who gets quoted at the bottom of the article :wink:

LOS ANGELES (BNO NEWS) -- A suspected missile launch was seen on Monday afternoon over California's southwestern Pacific coast, and after government officials have remained uncertain about its origin, a group of scientists on Tuesday explained that it is a simple a problem of perspective. A KCBS-TV news helicopter in Los Angeles captured the large "missile" at around 5 p.m. local time. According to the crew, the location of the missile was about 35 miles into the sea, west of Los Angeles and north of Catalina Island. While a Navy spokesperson said no activity was reported during that time, California's Vandenberg Air Force Base said no launches had been conducted since Friday's Delta II rocket, which carried an Italian satellite into orbit. A spokesperson from the Pentagon later said they were still trying to resolve what the contrail was caused by, but that it was not activity from the Department of Defense as they held talks with the Air Force, Navy and the North American Aerospace Defense Command. However, it seems perspective played a trick on the viewers' eyes, and the contrail was probably formed by an airplane. According to contrailscience.com, the idea that it is a missile launch originates from three misconceptions: "firstly that the trail is vertical – it's not, it's a horizontal trail, at around 32,000 feet (about six miles); secondly, the misconception of direction, that it's flying away from the viewer, when it's actually flying towards the viewer; and thirdly, the idea that it goes all the way down to the ground." Just as we view completely "straight" roads while driving, in reality, it is just the angle we view it from. A snapshot of the roads from an airplane would reveal that they are not straight lines. The contrail is no more vertical than the road is, the website states. While the "base" of the contrail seems wider than the tip, which tells the brain that this means the base is closer and the object is flying away, in reality, it has simply been spread by the wind. "Imagine if a plane with a 100 mile long spreading contrail were coming towards you; what would it look like? It would look exactly like this," contrailscience.com explains. The third misconception creates the illusion that the base goes all the way down to the ground, which would be true if the Earth were flat, contrailscience.com notes. "But the Earth is round, and things go beneath the horizon eventually, no matter how high they are. A plane 200 miles away but five miles up is always below the horizon. If the horizon is raised (as it is here, with Catalina Island), then the distance is less." According to Ross Marsden, from New Zealand's Metservice, in order for contrails to form, the ambient air temperature needs to be lower than a certain temperature, which mostly depends on the altitude and the relative humidity. In addition, it depends on the jet engine type and engine efficiency. Usually contrails dissipate a few plane-lengths behind the aircraft, but if the air is moist enough to be ice-saturated they will remain in the sky and behave like any other cirrus cloud. Persistent contrails eventually dissipate or merge with other cirrus, Marsden explains. Reports of the supposed "missile" all came from the same area, the coast of San Clemente, Orange County, California. People in other areas, such as Los Angeles, would have simply seen a contrail not worth mentioning because of perspective. (Copyright 2010 by BNO News B.V. All rights reserved. Info: sales@bnonews.com.)

http://channel6newsonline.com/2010/11/mysterious-missile-launch-seen-off-los-angeles-coast-a-problem-of-perspective/

[smashdracs]

hmmm, sorry for not spacing the paragraphs before "hitting post"

[Niksta]

LOL!! Ice see :lol:
Good job Super Ross, has cleared up the problem that has eluded millions of folks around the world!

[smashdracs]

:lol: LOL @ Super Ross :!:

Yuss, makes one proud to be from New Zealand. Educating the world on their problems of persective and super ice saturation :wink:

[Crakka]

Brings all new meaning to an old quote! 8)

"ICE-C(ontrail)" said the (one-eyed) blind man to his DEF(CON) sun!

[steve clougher]

let's give credit where credit's due
our Ross is teaching the rest of the world about contrails
but we've taught him everything he knows about chemtrails
this is a bit like my wife taking our labrador for a walk:
this is called "the blonde leading the blonde"

[Ross Marsden]

Recognition is all I crave.
To be right as well is a cherry on the top.
:P

[steve clougher]

being humble is what makes the All Blacks terrifying to John Eales
being right is not a common experience for a weatherman
being humble should be easier

[Crakka]

[Ross Marsden]

Sucks to be you, eh? if that's the experience of your life.

[smashdracs]

Sux to be wrong.

It was a Chinese missile fired from a submarine according to CNN
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-517867?ref=feeds%2Flatest

China flexed its military muscle Monday evening in the skies west of Los Angeles when a Chinese Navy Jin class ballistic missile nuclear submarine, deployed secretly from its underground home base on the south coast of Hainan island, launched an intercontinental ballistic missile from international waters off the southern California coast. WMR’s intelligence sources in Asia, including Japan, say the belief by the military commands in Asia and the intelligence services is that the Chinese decided to demonstrate to the United States its capabilities on the eve of the G-20 Summit in Seoul and the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in Tokyo, where President Obama is scheduled to attend during his ten-day trip to Asia.



The reported Chinese missile test off Los Angeles came as a double blow to Obama. The day after the missile firing, China’s leading credit rating agency, Dagong Global Credit Rating, downgraded sovereign debt rating of the United States to A-plus from AA. The missile demonstration coupled with the downgrading of the United States financial grade represents a military and financial show of force by Beijing to Washington.



The Pentagon spin machine, backed by the media reporters who regularly cover the Defense Department, as well as officials of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), and the U.S. Northern Command, is now spinning various conspiracy theories, including describing the missile plume videotaped by KCBS news helicopter cameraman Gil Leyvas at around 5:00 pm Pacific Standard Time, during the height of evening rush hour, as the condensation trail from a jet aircraft. Other Pentagon-inspired cover stories are that the missile was actually an amateur rocket or an optical illusion.



Experts agree that this was a ballistic missile being fired off of Los Angeles. Pentagon insists it was a jet aircraft or model rocket.



There are no records of a plane in the area having taken off from Los Angeles International Airport or from other airports in the region. The Navy and Air Force have said that they were not conducting any missile tests from submarines, ships, or Vandenberg Air Force Base. The Navy has also ruled out an accidental firing from one of its own submarines.

Missile experts, including those from Jane’s in London, say the plume was definitely from a missile, possibly launched from a submarine. WMR has learned that the missile was likely a JL-2 ICBM, which has a range of 7,000 miles, and was fired in a northwesterly direction over the Pacific and away from U.S. territory from a Jin class submarine. The Jin class can carry up to twelve such missiles.

Navy sources have revealed that the missile may have impacted on Chinese territory and that the National Security Agency (NSA) likely posseses intercepts of Chinese telemtry signals during the missile firing and subsequent testing operations.



Japanese and other Asian intelligence agencies believe that a Chinese Jin-class SSBN submarine conducted missile “show of force” in skies west of Los Angeles.



Asian intelligence sources believe the submarine transited from its base on Hainan through South Pacific waters, where U.S. anti-submarine warfare detection capabilities are not as effective as they are in the northern and mid-Pacific, and then transited north to waters off of Los Angeles. The Pentagon, which has spent billions on ballistic missile defense systems, a pet project of former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, is clearly embarrassed over the Chinese show of strength.



CREDIT: http://www.infowars.com/wayne-madsen-china-fired-missile-seen-in-southern-california/

[Crakka]

[smashdracs]

[Ross Marsden]

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[secondfield]

Interesting piece, apparently there were warnings issued, someone should check the lat / longs though. No mention of a November date time group toward the bottom though, but It was mentioned the notice was issued on the 6th of Nov.

http://www.legitgov.org/US-Notice-Mariners-Report-May-Explain-Mystery-Missile-Launch

[secondfield]

Cmo'n Ross..

Your silence is deafining...

[Ross Marsden]

I will just give you this link:

http://contrailscience.com/los-angeles-missile-contrail-explained-in-pictures/#comment-53392

Priceless!

[secondfield]

Theres nothing priceless about that. The emotive driven reactions from the ego based sceptic's sum up their intellect and approach to all this. Surely there were other overflights at the same altitude on and around that time that would have left similar contrails if that was the case.

That site has been bought and sold - it is Govt sponsored .. just investigate the IP addy of their host server.

[Ross Marsden]

OK, lets assume for the sake of the argument that what you suggest it true. Actually, it does not matter.

Now, can you identify anything that guy has posted that is incorrect?
Anything. Any small detail.

He has often asked this of his detractors and offered to correct it. None have. The few corrections that have been made have come from his supporters.

[Farside]

There is a TV show here in Canada called "the event" which is about aliens.
At one point, the aliens launch a missile and the politico's are freaking.
To cover it up they pass it off in the media as a chemtrail lol!

I almost pissed myself. :lol:

I remember at the time the public reaction in Canada was "Aye? Whatever. Are you sure it wasn't a weather balloon like it usually is?"