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RAC
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:26 am Post Subject: Close ups of these planes leaving trails? |
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Does anyone have a good camera so they can take close ups of the planes they see leaving trails. Without this id of the planes i see the photos of the trails as being useless.
What if its our national airline making these trails in the sky?
Any thoughts? |
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ruapaka
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:46 pm Post Subject: |
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Hey there RAC ... are you new ? welcome if so :-)
As a photo taker of some 'useless' photos, I sooooo strongly disagree with what you have said and really don't have the energy to explain the importance of photographic reference/recording of sky activity to someone who is probably going to find an argument about it anyway.
PS something to think about .... I have taken shots (as have many others around the world) of persistent trails developing (being laid across the sky) with NO visible plane/craft. Some get shots of the most unusual of craft forms. You might like to ponder that one. And then there's the silent bastards ... more brain food ... do some serious researching and I'll guarantee you will not be so quick to critique something you appear to know little about. |
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RAC
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:18 pm Post Subject: |
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How about these two trails shot on the 17/7/10. I disagree with you 100% what good is it blaming a mystory plane when you CAN take close up pics of them! Try it, use the timing tables from the airports.
1 hour from start to finish but the trails continued to spread for alot longer untill i could not see them in the distance.
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RAC
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:25 pm Post Subject: |
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| ruapaka wrote: | | importance of photographic reference/recording of sky activity. |
How do you think this would stand up in court without identifiable photos of the aircraft doing the deed. I have been taking photos of planes for some, the only time i have not got the plane id is when i was too late taking the photo and the plane had gone.
Like these ones.
And 20min later.
But the plane above WAS an AirNZ plane coming back from tokyo, i knew it was coming but was on my way to work as it flew by, when i got out of the car at work i took those photos. |
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ruapaka
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| Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 9:05 am Post Subject: |
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Don't get me started on court rooms ..... anything can stand up or fall down in a court room depending on cash flow / power / corruption etc etc. Our court rooms are full of lies and deceit with professional liars and bullies working the system (otherwise known as lawyers and police). The court room would be the last place to expect a trustworthy outcome. Whoever DOES know exactly what is happening in our skies are not telling us the truth. That is my belief.
RAC - I am not so interested in the plane as I am in the effects it leaves - these effects can be very different from each other - some may explain these effects away with scientific atmospheric reasoning .... and I am not convinced they really know what they talk about .... so I keep watching and clicking ...that is what I consider my 'job' here at MNZ. I do not wish to be harangued over this.
.... I don't have a flash-as camera with flash-as lens ... and not likely to have anything flash-as for a while yet. You appear to have one ... can I leave the plane shots to you. Cheers. |
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Crakka
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| Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 3:17 am Post Subject: |
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Here's my input for what it's worth (cos ruapaka, arguing with some of these f***ers directly is exactly the outcome sought & a waste of time but I know you know that too... :wink: ).
I've been surfing (that's REAL surfing in the REAL world for you pasty pencil-necks out there!) for the last 30yrs of my life and have spent HUGE amounts of time sitting in the water at all times of day & several times per day for hours looking to the horizon and the sky above me. Mostly this has been on the west coast of Auckland and for a good portion of that time I was in the water almost every day of the week. I've also spent good time on the east coast & at other locations around the North Island. I believe that dedicated surfers who spend all their surfing time outdoors in close harmony with the elements watching the sea & sky constantly for any little change to the environment are very well placed to see what's going on out there and WAY more than the average person even has a hope to.
I've said this before and I'll say it again now - I can honestly say that the trails I've seen in at least the last 10yrs and especially in the last few are nothing like anything I saw previously PERIOD! This is most definitely a new occurrence in our environment in at least the last decade in terms of both the type of trails which are now persistent in a way they never were before and in frequency. Quite honestly all you wannabe debunkers & sarcastic smarmy little critics out there who think you're being smart can say whatever you like and bring whatever photographic or technical "so-called" evidence to the table you like - I know what I've seen over the years in all my hundreds & hundreds of hours of skywatching. I know what's changed and I've yet to hear a convincing argument from "the other side" as to why. And that's just my own personal experience of observation without bringing anything else into the discussion.
As ruapaka says so simply & well "I keep watching and clicking ...that is what I consider my 'job' here at MNZ. I do not wish to be harangued over this."
The "harangues" most definitely serve no purpose whatsoever (except the "haranguers" agenda), deserve only to be completely ignored and from me at least will get no bite. It appears another nameless troll around here is getting the silent treatment he deserves - probably the best non-response you can give to all similar annoyances people, well done :wink: Just leave them to blow the usual crap out of their arses while we get on with things. They come & go. Kinda sad really... 'Nuff said... |
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Crakka
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| Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 3:54 am Post Subject: |
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| Having said that all photographic "evidence" is welcome & probably worth a look 8) |
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RAC
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| Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 11:48 am Post Subject: |
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This mornings plane, no trail, too dry and warm up there today for trails today.
[img]http://www.flickr.com/photos/46302893@N02/4821784247/sizes/l/[/img] |
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RAC
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ruapaka
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| Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:29 pm Post Subject: |
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Cheers Crakka. I read your post nodding my head all the while. The value of observation over theory is a no-brainer. Yours, mine and all the other watchers, must accumulate knowledge that would surpass the knowledge of text book readers and theorists. We are better able to recognise BS that contradicts what we are seeing / experiencing ... that, to me, is invaluable. When we speak out about the questions we have with the 'information', 'excuses', etc etc , we shake the power base that would prefer us to be dull and sheep like ... gotta be good for us all (even if the 'all' don't agree)
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| Quote: | arguing with some of these f***ers directly is exactly the outcome sought & a waste of time but I know you know that too..
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... I was in the mood .... :evil: ... good to have a dust-up every now and then ... helps to validate one's stance.
RAC ... with regard to your photo, good shot .. what altitude do you think the aircraft is at ? ... and where are you located / the aircraft flight path? |
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RAC
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| Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:44 pm Post Subject: |
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| Its a Korean Airlines plane off to Seoul it departs Auckland at 8:30am and we see it up he. I have no idea what the altitude would be but it would be 20,000+ feet as we have seen the same plane leave persistent trails many times but only when atmospheric conditions suit. |
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RAC
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| Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:45 pm Post Subject: |
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| Sorry we see it up here at 9:35isham, this forum needs an edit option. |
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Milutiche
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 12:20 am Post Subject: |
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| I quite like this trail <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/45701084@N08/4822117209/" title="_MG_5084 copy by wholemullet, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4100/4822117209_8ea8bedc6f_b.jpg" width="511" height="341" alt="_MG_5084 copy" /></a> |
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