Mysteries, Chemtrails, Aerosols :: Mysterious NZ

[ruapaka]

Kia ora koutou

No sooner I say .... yesterday was as the following pics tell ....

All taken from home in the Pelorus Valley.


1. 2010_0619_1336-19_PVh-WNW ... a beautiful morning - clear skies mostly - the odd cumulus around the ranges .... then by afternoon I spotted the following - and several more during the early avo ... north, west and south bound ... overhead and to the west of me.




2. 2010_0619_1627-15_PVh-NNW ... not quite an hour later and look at the sky .... the cirrus developed madly ... the cumulus also developed over the ranges.




3. 2010_0619_1633-16_PVh-NNW ... another angle down the valley.




4. 2010_0619_1639-15_PVh-WNW ... I caught view of the westbound plane/trail between clouds and thought it was a contrail, but it persisted ... here is the first part - not spreading like the other PTs seen earlier in day ... (I'm constantly having to dodge the sun - frustrating at times)




5. 2010_0619_1638-01_PVh-WNW ... here is the other part and it behaved quite differently .... it is not a sun's ray ... the last 2 images show how it developed ...




6. 2010_0619_1657-27_PVh-W ... 20 mins later - quite spectacular, huh ... note the sky-scape - chaos!




7. 2010_0619_1658-34_PVh-W ... a bit closer ...

[A Butler]

Awesome pics Ruapaka,I was hoping you would be out snapping.There were some pretty awesome trails over the Wairau as well,curving across from east to west plus the ones you snapped coming over the top.Turned a beautiful cloudless day into total crap.

[Crakka]

Yep I concur, great photos yet again ruapaka! :wink:

Anyone who looks at those and still says that's a "natural" occurrence and just a reaction to "normal" jet "contrails" deserves nothing more than a great deal of pity or to be just completely ignored (again) for the total troll piece of c-r-a-p they are. No prizes for guessing who that second bit's aimed at...

[ruapaka]

Mmmm yes Crakka .... I agree ... (of course I would, given the 6-7 ye arsI have been looking into these phenomena - which is a bit more than the 3-4 weeks some have quoted as being time enough to descend onto their debunker's pedestal)

I have more questions now than I did when I began .... also for the debunkers, they will not find anything that will change their thinking. 'Spose the same could be said about the believers-of-ill-intent from the debunkers point of view ... yet ... the likes of us have our eyes and ears open and if something was on the horizon we have a better chance of being on-to-it ... the debunkers on the other hand are up that creek that don't smell too good).

PS UFO sighting in the Wakamarina Valley on the weekend ... (if the above paragraph doesn't get some folk going then this will hehe) ... swish swish is the sound of the spoon

[secondfield]

Excellent days observation Ruapaka, I happend to be back in NZ that day and was sitting high up in the Akatarawa forest ranges(slightly north west of Wellington) area around that time. The weather was overcast but when there was a break in the cloud cover I saw two parallell, very well defined trails running across the sky.

As Ive been in Sydney for the past six months looking at the sky every day the only heavy period of trail activity was a flurry over the week 14 - 21st of march (pretty much every day - have not noted much else over the rest of the time here). At the same time there was a marked increase in UFO sightings across NSW culminating in the 'Chipping Norton' incident on the 21st march...

Are there any ref's to the Wakamarina sighting about?

[ruapaka]

Thanks for the appreciations .... :P

Secondfield (welcome home) ... no formal report about the UFO ... someone I know who lives up the valley saw a shinny disc like object hovering above the west side ranges, about half way up the Wakamarina Valley. Her 10 yr old son alerted her to it. I'm hopeful it was of the extraterrestrial variety and not a craft scanning the area for mining purposes ...

[RAC]

Here is your trails here for that day http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/subsets/?subset=NewZealand.2010200.aqua.1km

[RAC]

In photo 1 you can see the plane making the trail, if you have a good zoom you could see what the plane was.

[secondfield]

Thanks Ruapaka! always look forward to your reports...

RAC, how often does that sat make passes over NZ? I am wondering what the swath data is on those images as they give two times (in UTC). Is this an aggregation of two images on those times specified?

5 minute swath data used for this image:
02:20 UTC
04:00 UTC

[RAC]

From memory the satellites terra and aqua pass over two times daily but normaly with only one usefull image depending in the elevation of the satellits, It takes 5min for the satellite to fly over the length of NZ so that is how long it takes to take the photo. You can get these photos straight from the satelllites with a receiver.
skyeye is one option.

[ruapaka]

Thanks for the link RAC. See why I get interested in these PTs ..... why only over that area? .... why start / stop appearance? .... must have been other planes in the air around NZ at that time .... no other PTs in other cloudless areas .... so, what's that about.

[Crakka]

[RAC]

[ruapaka]

RAC - you say ...

[ruapaka]

RAC ...


This was taken at Amberly, just out of Christchurch ... not very high up ... this does not fit with your explanations of the satellite image trails.





... this was taken that morning from Kaikoura ....



... note the different looking 'atmospheric conditions' yet we see PTs .... also, at different altitudes ... you don't appear to have given your explanation a great deal of thought.

[Milutiche]

Yo Ruapaka, how can you tell that the trail in the above photo is "not very high up" ?

[RAC]

Ruapaka, could be a plane going to Dunedin? This is exaxtly what my point is! without id's of the planes anything is just guessing.

Think about it. Do you not think all those trails are from normal air traiffic? Start investigating things instead of guessing things.

[Crakka]

By now everyone here knows only too well where this is going (and I'm sure some got a whiff at least a 100 miles off) as they've seen it time & time & time again... y-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-awn.... yep, comes & goes as sure as you'll flush your next turd down the toilet...


Here's a couple of clues for those who've just rolled out of bed -

Saturday 12 June 2010 The Day I Debunked the Whangarei Chemmys - http://chemtrailsnorthnzl.wordpress.com/2010/07/10/saturday-12-june-2010-the-day-i-debunked-the-whangarei-chemmys/

The science behind vapourtrails - http://chemtrailsnorthnzl.wordpress.com/2010/07/07/the-science-behind-vapourtrails/

Gee, I don't think we've seen that second one before have we :roll:

And more importantly this time around there has been no response and there will be no conclusive response as usual to my observational (over 3 decades) post in another thread, or everyone else's similar & numerous observations over the years, as per -

I've been surfing (that's REAL surfing in the REAL world for you pasty pencil-necks out there!) for the last 30yrs of my life and have spent HUGE amounts of time sitting in the water at all times of day & several times per day for hours looking to the horizon and the sky above me. Mostly this has been on the west coast of Auckland and for a good portion of that time I was in the water almost every day of the week. I've also spent good time on the east coast & at other locations around the North Island. I believe that dedicated surfers who spend all their surfing time outdoors in close harmony with the elements watching the sea & sky constantly for any little change to the environment are very well placed to see what's going on out there and WAY more than the average person even has a hope to.

I've said this before and I'll say it again now - I can honestly say that the trails I've seen in at least the last 10yrs and especially in the last few are nothing like anything I saw previously PERIOD! This is most definitely a new occurrence in our environment in at least the last decade in terms of both the type of trails which are now persistent in a way they never were before and in frequency. Quite honestly all you wannabe debunkers & sarcastic smarmy little critics out there who think you're being smart can say whatever you like and bring whatever photographic or technical "so-called" evidence to the table you like - I know what I've seen over the years in all my hundreds & hundreds of hours of skywatching. I know what's changed and I've yet to hear a convincing argument from "the other side" as to why. And that's just my own personal experience of observation without bringing anything else into the discussion.

The "so-called" evidence bit is one of the important parts here as is the (still) lack of "conclusive" proof. Especially when it comes from anonymous nom-de-plumes in internet forums :lol:

In instances like this (and no real pun or warped twist of irony intended) a picture speaks a thousand...



I trust certain people are watching these threads with interest atm :wink: Now let's get back on topic kiddies...

[RAC]

Sad Crakka very sad. You seem use a non investigative logic to come to conlusions this makes you very closed minded.
When someone comes along with plausible nromal ideas that science can support you have a cry with the the most useless types of posts like the one above, these posts will get you no closer to the truth.
The world is not as weird as you think, most things can be explained using simple logic and science, Plane trails come into this category.

[Crakka]

Ok, I swear, this is my only further indulgence... What a pity no "plane spotter" took close-up photos of the planes who left these trails! Surely the pilots of these "commercial flights" would've had a lot of explaining to do to their bosses in regard to how perfectly they flew in formation, obviously not following regular flight paths, and how they all must have flown through here at around the same time in order to produce trails of similar size covering a whole skyscape! Just one of tons of similar photographs...



Oh and if any forum members living in a patch of the US or Europe where you're actually getting regular stuff like this can afford to fly our 2 friends over there to try and photograph the "commercial flights" in your area, then please speak up now! I'm sure their "evidence" would be only to valuable to record while you were all together witnessing it in the flesh as it happened... :D

[Crakka]

[RAC]

I see you've done you own investigation on the above image again.

When you see how many flights there are daily in the US (about 20,000) then the above photo is very likely passanger planes. Why are they not following flight paths, there seems to be a hight gap between them and good horizontal separation.


How about explaining how a chemical or metal would expaned and get bigger?
How would all that product from one of the trails fit in one plane?

Whos making it?

How come we see the same types of trails anywhere in the world that jet planes fly, that must be alot of product to make, you must have a friend that works at a chem factory, i must know someone too.

[Crakka]

Classic! \:D/

[RAC]

What a come back Crakka, you really do have @$#&!!* for brains!

Stop dragging threads down to your @$#&!!* for brains level, there might be something to learn from doing a little research into a subject like plane trails.

Get a life :roll:

[RAC]

This is a good little video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI

[Milutiche]

[Deano]

He he classic!, this thread reminds me of the old days ahhhh (i will even give a smiley :D havent done that for awhile)

You talk about critical thinking and trying to be logical? Hell theres a small part of me that hasnt written off an extraterrestrial angle to some of this. There definately plenty of normal activity happening in our skies, lots of planes going about their business some leaving trails which fade away, some leaving persistant trails which take longer to fade, lots of traffic with no emissions, but then theres something else, something not quite right going on, whether its the type a trail or the virtually nonexistant looking plane laying em down, I for one am over trying to persuade people, in fact there are people out there who wouldnt accept the truth even if it were shown to them in fine detail.

BUT THEN WHAT IS THE TRUTH???

Kudos to those here who continue to report and post photos of their experiences, I will never mock thee, in fact I say to you, dont even bother to reply to the naysayers, its no longer worth the effort, its like a scratched record jumping over and over repeating the same tired lines. As always an open inquiring mindset is key in all your endeavours, trust your intuition also, and above all keep looking up! (accept when youre driving ha :)

Finished rant.

[RAC]

You talk about fine detail but yet that is not what you guys are showing us. Photos of trails is not fine details, if you were to look at all the fine details your ideas would fall over in a second!

[ruapaka]

Crakka - Cujo ... LOL

Deano - ditto ... thinking the same ... cheers ...

yet I would like to say this

RAC - you said ...

[RAC]

I would just like give some innocence to the planes that have pilots and are taking people places every day, they are commiting no crime if their planes are just leaving contrails(very likely looking at what you have been looking at).
So if we can bring a little sense and logic to this site then good has been done.

Crakka has mentioned critical thinking befor but yet that is exactly what hasn't been done here.
Critical thinking would inlude all options including identifying the planes, working out what is possible(chemical amounts needed/plane payload sizes ect) and looking into the science of contrails. But then of cause you would understand how a contrail can behave and you wouldn't hold the floord opinion you do.